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Post by beavered on Dec 29, 2017 8:55:09 GMT -8
wow....nothing says “energize the fan base” with crap scheduling like this. Out of curiosity -- does this really bother you or are you just playing a little devil's advocate for the sake of livening things up? I'm not one who gets too worked up over P5 teams playing FCS teams. Consider the P12 in the final ESPN D1 power rankings this year. There are 127 FBS teams and the lowest ranked P12 team was OSU (104), which is unusually bad for a P5 team and ahead of only Kansas (122). Next worst is Colorado at 65 and Cal at 51. So even if you were a P12 team lucky enough to have all 3 of these guys on your schedule, you still played 6 conference games against teams rated in the top 50, probably a few of those top 25 and likely a top 10 (or more). I'd be surprised if there are any non P5 schools other than maybe a couple independents like ND or BYU that even come close to this. Even when Fresno State was scheduling their OOC body bag games back in the day (and doing respectably for the most part) they still didn't have to face the sort of season long gauntlet the P5 schools do. So admittedly I'm not a guy who gets too worked up over P5 scheduling weak OOC, but is swapping SJSU on the road for PSU at home 3 seasons from now really something people have any level of negative reaction to? I could understand if it from the fan experience standpoint if it were a destination setting or big name exposure program, but it's f*ing San Jose State! I just pulled up this years Sagarin ratings which combine FBS and FCS and SJSU is rated 179. There are roughly 50 FCS schools ranked ahead of SJSU. If you go back a few years and look at the final ratings, PSU and SJSU are usually close enough together on the page that no scrolling is required. When compared year over year, there's very little difference between the two. So is it the FBS/FCS thing? Are we concerned that when it comes to bowl game / playoff selection that the black mark from playing PSU instead of SJSU could actually cost us something? I don't buy it. If it were a playoff scenario and we'd dumped tOSU for a directional, then I could see it MAYBE making a difference assuming there was another candidate with a comparable resume. But to me SJSU on the road for PSU at home is such a non-event I am shocked that people are getting even a little exorcised about it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 2, 2018 13:24:54 GMT -8
Division 1 schools should never play a D2 school. Doesn't matter if it Alabama playing Mercer, or our beloved Beavers playing PSU. Nothing good comes out of playing a D2 team. I don't like playing D2 schools either but, there is a bit of good involved here. 400,000.00 is probably a pretty good payday for a local school like PSU. It's kind of like the Beavs playing the other PSU (pen state) or tOSU. I don't know what we get but I would guess it's 6-8 hundred thousand. If not, we're not very smart. It's also a big gamble for our OSU playing the 2s. We get our ass handed to us (almost last year) and we wear that defeat awhile. (Sac. State) Why not a change of scenery. How about one of the Dakotas or Eastern KY, one of the outside Austin, Texas schools, UTEP or many others to choose from. What school is Ian Shields coaching now. That would be a game with an unusual home coming interest. Just something different to jive the place up a bit. I know it's probably a difficult task keeping a schedule up but, make it entertaining and interesting and they will come. Especially if the Beavs win. Usually, bodybag games gross a team like Oregon State around $1,000,000.00. Both LSU and Penn State were there or north of there. I believe Oregon State's payout was at least $1,000,000.00 for Michigan. I believe that Oregon State's payout for Ohio State will be at least $1,300,000.00. I base the Michigan and Ohio State numbers on the contracts that Michigan had with UNLV in 2015 and Ohio State had with UNLV in 2017, which are public. Those contracts were all signed around the same time. Ian Shields is the head coach at Jacksonville, a member of the Pioneer Football League. The Pioneer Football League do not award football scholarships. As such, it is my understanding that a game with Jacksonville actually would not count toward the six wins required for a team to be bowl eligible. Based on that, I think scheduling Jacksonville is off the table, at least at the present. (Florida State ran into a sixth win bowl eligibility problem this season, because it turns out that Delaware State did not give out enough athletic scholarships to qualify as a win for bowl purposes. Florida State were able to confirm that Delaware State gave out enough non-athletic scholarships to football players to still qualify. Florida State trounced Southern Miss in the Independence Bowl as a result. If Florida State would have been ineligible, Duke would have moved up to the Independence Bowl and left a vacancy probably for Buffalo, UTSA, or Western Michigan to snag a bowl invite.) UTEP is FBS, not FCS. The Dakota teams (and Eastern Washington) tend to have very strong FCS teams. Oregon State would be foolish to play them. According to Sagarin, the weakest FCS team was Mississippi Valley State. That should be who Oregon State should schedule (assuming they qualify for bowl eligibility purposes). |
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 3, 2018 10:12:43 GMT -8
So F'n lame, it makes me sick. The only consolation is that the $ is staying in state. We should NEVER play an FCS program, but if we do it should only ever be PSU. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 3, 2018 11:03:47 GMT -8
So F'n lame, it makes me sick. The only consolation is that the $ is staying in state. We should NEVER play an FCS program, but if we do it should only ever be PSU. Yeah, yeah. And we should only have "real" student-athletes on the team, and games shouldn't be at 7pm for TV or on Thursday nights, and 40 bowl games are too many, blah, blah, blah. It's not 1993 anymore. Scheduling FCS teams is the way of the world. There used to be a very short list of schools who had never played an FCS team. I think that list is down to zero now. |
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 3, 2018 11:14:16 GMT -8
So F'n lame, it makes me sick. The only consolation is that the $ is staying in state. We should NEVER play an FCS program, but if we do it should only ever be PSU. Yeah, yeah. And we should only have "real" student-athletes on the team, and games shouldn't be at 7pm for TV or on Thursday nights, and 40 bowl games are too many, blah, blah, blah. It's not 1993 anymore. Scheduling FCS teams is the way of the world. There used to be a very short list of schools who had never played an FCS team. I think that list is down to zero now. s%#t logic. It's bad for fans, it's bad for any team hoping to make the playoff. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2018 11:18:31 GMT -8
So F'n lame, it makes me sick. The only consolation is that the $ is staying in state. We should NEVER play an FCS program, but if we do it should only ever be PSU. Yeah, yeah. And we should only have "real" student-athletes on the team, and games shouldn't be at 7pm for TV or on Thursday nights, and 40 bowl games are too many, blah, blah, blah. It's not 1993 anymore. Scheduling FCS teams is the way of the world. There used to be a very short list of schools who had never played an FCS team. I think that list is down to zero now. I believe the list is down to 2 teams that don't play FCS schools. USC & Notre Dame. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 3, 2018 11:51:52 GMT -8
Yeah, yeah. And we should only have "real" student-athletes on the team, and games shouldn't be at 7pm for TV or on Thursday nights, and 40 bowl games are too many, blah, blah, blah. It's not 1993 anymore. Scheduling FCS teams is the way of the world. There used to be a very short list of schools who had never played an FCS team. I think that list is down to zero now. s%#t logic. It's bad for fans, it's bad for any team hoping to make the playoff. You can pretend that it's s%#t logic, when in fact, it's reality. I'd say that claiming playing FCS teams won't help you make the playoffs is s%#t logic since 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff actually played an FCS team this year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2018 13:23:48 GMT -8
Yeah, yeah. And we should only have "real" student-athletes on the team, and games shouldn't be at 7pm for TV or on Thursday nights, and 40 bowl games are too many, blah, blah, blah. It's not 1993 anymore. Scheduling FCS teams is the way of the world. There used to be a very short list of schools who had never played an FCS team. I think that list is down to zero now. I believe the list is down to 2 teams that don't play FCS schools. USC & Notre Dame. Three: Notre Dame, UCLA, and USC. The fourth team was Washington. The Huskies caved in 2011. The fifth team was Michigan State. The Spartans caved in 2009. Of teams that have been an FBS team since at least 2011, Michigan and Ohio State have played the fewest FCS opponents (3), each playing all three between 2007-2013. (It should be pointed out that Michigan's lone game against a team that is still an FCS team is Delaware State in 2009.) Stanford and Texas each have each played four. The Cardinal played Cornell in 1992 and then played Sacramento State and UC-Davis three times between 2005 and 2014. Texas played North Texas three times before the Mean Green made the jump to FBS. The Longhorns' only other FCS opponent was Sam Houston State in 2006. Michigan State and Oklahoma have each played six. Oklahoma played North Texas twice before the Mean Green made the jump to FBS. The Sooners played four FCS teams between 1999-2012. The Spartans played six FCS teams from 2009-2016. Washington has played seven, one each of the past seven years. Number of FCS teams played by teams in the Pac-12:
0: UCLA & USC
4: Stanford
7: Washington
8: Colorado
10: California
13: Arizona
14: Oregon
15: Arizona State
19: Utah
22: Washington State
25: Oregon State
Number of FCS teams played 1999-present (19 seasons):
0: UCLA & USC
3: Stanford
7: Washington
8: Colorado & Utah
10: California
11: Oregon
12: Washington State
13: Arizona & Arizona State
16: Oregon State
In many ways, attempting to pad Oregon State's record with wins against FCS teams is what Oregon State is known for, at least since DE came to town. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2018 13:39:59 GMT -8
s%#t logic. It's bad for fans, it's bad for any team hoping to make the playoff. You can pretend that it's s%#t logic, when in fact, it's reality. I'd say that claiming playing FCS teams won't help you make the playoffs is s%#t logic since 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff actually played an FCS team this year. I agree. Fire the committee! Alabama getting in, playing that schedule, was a travesty. Ohio State played the 12th-hardest schedule and was punished for it. Alabama played the 47th-hardest schedule and was rewarded with a CFP berth. Ohio State did not play an FCS team. Alabama played Mercer the week before playing Auburn and still lost by double digits to a team that finished with four losses. Ohio State played ten conference games in the regular season and won nine. Alabama played eight conference games and won seven. The Tide's non-conference slate featured 6-6 Florida State and two Mountain West teams. Ohio State played a 12-1 Oklahoma, a 10-3 Army team, and UNLV, who beat Alabama's best non-conference win, Fresno State in Fresno. Overall Alabama over Ohio State was a terrible decision and sets a very bad precedent for teams that play nine conference games and challenging non-conference slates. The committee could have made a decision that may have finally forced the ACC and SEC to play nine games and wean teams off of playing FCS teams. Instead, they made the exact opposite and wholly incorrect decision. Fire the committee or expand the Playoff! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 3, 2018 13:47:39 GMT -8
You can pretend that it's s%#t logic, when in fact, it's reality. I'd say that claiming playing FCS teams won't help you make the playoffs is s%#t logic since 3 of the 4 teams in the playoff actually played an FCS team this year. I agree. Fire the committee! Alabama getting in, playing that schedule, was a travesty. Ohio State played the 12th-hardest schedule and was punished for it. Alabama played the 47th-hardest schedule and was rewarded with a CFP berth. Ohio State did not play an FCS team. Alabama played Mercer the week before playing Auburn and still lost by double digits to a team that finished with four losses. Ohio State played ten conference games in the regular season and won nine. Alabama played eight conference games and won seven. The Tide's non-conference slate featured 6-6 Florida State and two Mountain West teams. Ohio State played a 12-1 Oklahoma, a 10-3 Army team, and UNLV, who beat Alabama's best non-conference win, Fresno State in Fresno. Overall Alabama over Ohio State was a terrible decision and sets a very bad precedent for teams that play nine conference games and challenging non-conference slates. The committee could have made a decision that may have finally forced the ACC and SEC to play nine games and wean teams off of playing FCS teams. Instead, they made the exact opposite and wholly incorrect decision. Fire the committee or expand the Playoff! And then proceeded to thump the #1 team. So how about Clemson? Did they play a tough schedule? They certainly did Monday. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 3, 2018 16:26:00 GMT -8
I agree. Fire the committee! Alabama getting in, playing that schedule, was a travesty. Ohio State played the 12th-hardest schedule and was punished for it. Alabama played the 47th-hardest schedule and was rewarded with a CFP berth. Ohio State did not play an FCS team. Alabama played Mercer the week before playing Auburn and still lost by double digits to a team that finished with four losses. Ohio State played ten conference games in the regular season and won nine. Alabama played eight conference games and won seven. The Tide's non-conference slate featured 6-6 Florida State and two Mountain West teams. Ohio State played a 12-1 Oklahoma, a 10-3 Army team, and UNLV, who beat Alabama's best non-conference win, Fresno State in Fresno. Overall Alabama over Ohio State was a terrible decision and sets a very bad precedent for teams that play nine conference games and challenging non-conference slates. The committee could have made a decision that may have finally forced the ACC and SEC to play nine games and wean teams off of playing FCS teams. Instead, they made the exact opposite and wholly incorrect decision. Fire the committee or expand the Playoff! And then proceeded to thump the #1 team. So how about Clemson? Did they play a tough schedule? They certainly did Monday. I do not think that Clemson was as good as Ohio State, but they were 12-1. It would have been difficult keeping one of them out. Plus, Clemson played a much more difficult schedule than Alabama. Top-to-bottom, the ACC was the nation's best conference. The SEC was second at best. Alabama's conference schedule included all of the games against the West as well as the worst two teams in the East: Vanderbilt and Alabama's protected cross-over game, Tennessee. Alabama's SEC schedule was the weakest one possible for the Tide. Alabama beat LSU but had trouble with both 4-4 Mississippi State (touchdown with 25 seconds left to save the Tide) and 4-4 Texas A&M (the Aggies had the ball for almost five full minutes than the Tide but gifted the Tide a touchdown on a fumble). The next-best teams that Tide played were 6-6 Florida State and 6-6 Mississippi on probation. 10-4 Fresno State was in the process of finding itself. 7-6 Colorado State stayed within 20 points in Tuscaloosa. The Tide allowed the Rams 23 points. 5-7 Colorado held Colorado State to 3 points and a neutral field. 8-4 Wyoming kept Colorado State to 13 points, 10 less than Alabama allowed. The other three SEC teams that Alabama played finished with losing records. Arkansas and Tennessee were train-wrecks and Vanderbilt was usual Vanderbilt. Compare that to Clemson. Clemson's conference schedule included all of the games against the Atlantic, as well as the #1, #2, and #3 teams from the Coastal, making it one of the most difficult schedules possible in the ACC. The only teams that kept it within 14 points were NC State in Raleigh, the Wolfpack finishing third in the ACC, and Auburn, the SEC's second-best team. After War Eagle's initial field goal drive, Auburn's longest drive was 25 yards. After the first quarter, War Eagle's longest drive was 17 yards. Clemson also played the SEC's fifth-best team, South Carolina and won by 24 points in Columbia. The fact of the matter is that Alabama was not even the best team in its state, losing by 12 points to Auburn, a team that Clemson beat. The Tide scheduled a bunch of patsies. Ohio State scheduled much more aggressively and were dinged for it. That should not be how the Playoff works in my opinion. Feel free to disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:19:44 GMT -8
Division 1 schools should never play a D2 school. Doesn't matter if it Alabama playing Mercer, or our beloved Beavers playing PSU. Nothing good comes out of playing a D2 team. I don't like playing D2 schools either but, there is a bit of good involved here. 400,000.00 is probably a pretty good payday for a local school like PSU. It's kind of like the Beavs playing the other PSU (pen state) or tOSU. I don't know what we get but I would guess it's 6-8 hundred thousand. If not, we're not very smart. It's also a big gamble for our OSU playing the 2s. We get our ass handed to us (almost last year) and we wear that defeat awhile. (Sac. State) Why not a change of scenery. How about one of the Dakotas or Eastern KY, one of the outside Austin, Texas schools, UTEP or many others to choose from. What school is Ian Shields coaching now. That would be a game with an unusual home coming interest. Just something different to jive the place up a bit. I know it's probably a difficult task keeping a schedule up but, make it entertaining and interesting and they will come. Especially if the Beavs win. why is it a good thing to prop up a school like Portland State which competes for state resources with OS? Some of the scholarshipped kids a PSU would be adding to OS depth chart if portland state wasn't pretending to field a team. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 3, 2018 17:36:32 GMT -8
Right now, Alabama would clean Ohio State's clock.
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Alabama scored one true offensive TD against Clemson, a team that lost to Syracuse. It scored 16 points against Auburn, a team UCF just smoked.
I think not.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 3, 2018 18:52:30 GMT -8
Right now, Alabama would clean Ohio State's clock. ============================== Alabama scored one true offensive TD against Clemson, a team that lost to Syracuse. It scored 16 points against Auburn, a team UCF just smoked. I think not. ”Smoked” now equals 1 td. Same total yards. The difference? Turnovers. Congrats to UCF on a great win and season. The rest is moot. The committee put Clemson #1. Not sure what adjective I should use if smoked is one td in an equal game, but Alabama controlled is accurate, the #1 team. That’s all that is relevant now. In fact, all of these arguments are irrelevant and less we are going to go with the victory chain linker to decide the national champion. Man I miss that thing, But I think Washington has an argument is the national champion based on it. |
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