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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 19, 2018 9:40:10 GMT -8
His final OL at OSU (2014) included three NFL players, Isaac Seumalo, Dustin Stanton and Sean Harlow. Our top three rushers averaged 6.3, 5.2 and 6.2 yards per carry. Reads to me as if our OL was more than adequate. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but didn't Stanton came in as a TE recruit?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 19, 2018 10:45:14 GMT -8
I don't recall the "cranky, bitter" aspect to Cav. I remember some fans being so in regards to him on the board in their efforts to blame someone other something for perceived lack of success. I can't think of real examples of him speaking out negatively. Perhaps I wasn't paying attention. If he made public comments about fans I probably felt they were accurate.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 19, 2018 13:55:51 GMT -8
His final OL at OSU (2014) included three NFL players, Isaac Seumalo, Dustin Stanton and Sean Harlow. Our top three rushers averaged 6.3, 5.2 and 6.2 yards per carry. Reads to me as if our OL was more than adequate. Cav's final OL at OSU did not include Isaac Seumalo, as he was lost for the year, due to his injury in the 2013 Hawai'i Bowl. But Gavin Andrews also spent some time in the NFL.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Jan 19, 2018 13:58:01 GMT -8
His final OL at OSU (2014) included three NFL players, Isaac Seumalo, Dustin Stanton and Sean Harlow. Our top three rushers averaged 6.3, 5.2 and 6.2 yards per carry. Reads to me as if our OL was more than adequate. That sounds good, but, during those 4 years, 2011 -14(post Jaquizz), the Beavs averaged 3.3, 3.7, 3.5, and 3.8 yards per carry. Out rushed, per average carry, by our opposition each year. Not that is all his fault, of course!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 19, 2018 14:09:44 GMT -8
That sounds good, but, during those 4 years, 2011 -14(post Jaquizz), the Beavs averaged 3.3, 3.7, 3.5, and 3.8 yards per carry. Out rushed, per average carry, by our opposition each year. Not that is all his fault, of course! Sacks figure into college football rushing statistics, which they shouldn't because they skew the numbers. Sacks are not designed running plays. When we handed off to Storm, Ward and Bolden, our top three rushers that year, we had success. We just didn't do it enough.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 19, 2018 14:17:42 GMT -8
That sounds good, but, during those 4 years, 2011 -14(post Jaquizz), the Beavs averaged 3.3, 3.7, 3.5, and 3.8 yards per carry. Out rushed, per average carry, by our opposition each year. Not that is all his fault, of course! Sacks figure into college football rushing statistics, which they shouldn't because they skew the numbers. Sacks are not designed running plays. When we handed off to Storm, Ward and Bolden, our top three rushers that year, we had success. We just didn't do it enough. And the OLine bears some, if not most of the responsibility for sacks, ergo seems like a valid measurement.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Jan 19, 2018 14:19:16 GMT -8
That sounds good, but, during those 4 years, 2011 -14(post Jaquizz), the Beavs averaged 3.3, 3.7, 3.5, and 3.8 yards per carry. Out rushed, per average carry, by our opposition each year. Not that is all his fault, of course! Sacks figure into college football rushing statistics, which they shouldn't because they skew the numbers. Sacks are not designed running plays. When we handed off to Storm, Ward and Bolden, our top three rushers that year, we had success. We just didn't do it enough. I hear what your saying Henry, but, man, I sure remember a lot of 2nd and 9's those years!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 19, 2018 14:31:50 GMT -8
Sacks figure into college football rushing statistics, which they shouldn't because they skew the numbers. Sacks are not designed running plays. When we handed off to Storm, Ward and Bolden, our top three rushers that year, we had success. We just didn't do it enough. And the OLine bears some, if not most of the responsibility for sacks, ergo seems like a valid measurement. We'll agree to disagree. By my unschooled observation, the OL is responsible about 1/3 of the time. The other 2/3 are the fault of a back who can't/won't/whiffs on a block, or a QB who refuses to unload the ball after 3-4 seconds. Again, my point is, when we ran designed running plays in 2014, we were generally very successful. Having two backs average more than five yards a carry is pretty good. A large part of the credit for that must to to the OL. Unlike Quizz, Storm never made anyone miss. He got yards because there were holes. Ward wasn't especially elusive, either, but he was the tougher runner, probably got a lot of yards after contact, and should (IMHO) have gotten the lion's share of the touches.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 19, 2018 16:07:56 GMT -8
And the OLine bears some, if not most of the responsibility for sacks, ergo seems like a valid measurement. We'll agree to disagree. By my unschooled observation, the OL is responsible about 1/3 of the time. The other 2/3 are the fault of a back who can't/won't/whiffs on a block, or a QB who refuses to unload the ball after 3-4 seconds. What about the receivers failing to get open? There are many reasons for a sack. In the end there's a breakdown, somewhere in the system. I don't think that's arguable. What I'm saying is that if rushing yards consider loss of yards for sacks, it is a reflection on the ability of OL. Great YPC is all on the OL either, there's the system and players to consider.
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 21, 2018 8:19:49 GMT -8
Good for Cav Good coach, good guy
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