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Post by nforkbeav on Apr 18, 2018 8:31:57 GMT -8
Simple question as I truly don't know the answer. Why the shade for him? Hell....I don't even know em much. Didn't hire any of our coaches other then Smith. I for one, em happy about that. But jury is still out for me as I don't know if he is good or bad period. Our last AD was here for such a short time that I vaguely think he was Canadian or Australian originally. Insert sarcasm there. Anywho.... seems to me old Barnsie hasn't done much of anything to get praise Rajneeshee style or 2 clown him like Garry Anderson personal advisor. P.S. Yes i did the edit... price tag seems like damn though Some folks fish under a dark cloud. When they see the boat off in the distance glowing from the sunshine above and hauling fish in between miller lites, they can get all grumpy. Beaver football fans are optimistic by nature. I don't know how else you can be a Beaver football fan and mentally sound at the same time unless deep down you're highly optimistic about the future. |
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Post by cageybeav on Apr 18, 2018 10:06:25 GMT -8
Maybe we should offer Jen 900 to come here and work her magic on any new hiring.
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Post by thetruebeav on Apr 18, 2018 11:35:24 GMT -8
Barnes Coaching Hires Football: Jonathan Smith, formerly of University of Washington. his salary is approx. $1.9M Track/Cross Country: Louie Quintana, formerly of Arizona State. Looks like he makes right around $100K. Men's Soccer: Terry Boss, formerly of University of Virginia. His salary is approx. $110K. Every other men's soccer coach in the Pac-12 (save for San Diego State's) makes north of $200K. Women's Rowing: Kate Maxim, formerly of Princeton University. her salary is approx. $100K. All except Quintana have Oregon State ties. Thx Nabeav I can't say I follow much of soccer, women's rowing etc. I do think hiring a cat named Louie, another with a last name boss & our rowin chickey is named Maxim.... great names. I will judge good ol Barnies if we finally can get something done with 1/2 side of the football gig, wins losses by the big 3 sports, our coaches don't pull an Anderplan and make the university look silly & everyone plays nice in the sandbox |
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Post by obf on Apr 18, 2018 13:04:08 GMT -8
The cost of the proposed house, which will be used for far more than an official residence, will be 25% offset by the sale of the former president's house on Brooklane ($415,000). The balance will be paid by private donations. Construction of a presidential residence - which most other major research universities in the country already have - has as much impact on tuition increases as the Valley Center upgrade, the new scoreboards at Gill Coliseum, the proposed improvements to Cordley Hall, the impending makeover of the LaSells-Stewart Center, or any other campus capital construction project. Academia needs bells and whistles to recruit top talent, just as athletics does. An official presidential residence is part of that picture. It is optics, again. We are in an entirely new era of communication and information dissemination. PERS is big in the news again (full disclosure, I am a vested state employee...) The president of OHSU, a public teaching university whose employees are PERS eligible is making a MONTHLY retirement of over $70K. Why should a personal that was already making well over a million a year, get a state taxpayer paid retirement of about a million a year? Ed Ray makes over $500K a year, not including a large number of perks, such as his $2500 a month housing allowance. You are telling me the average $50K earning-after-20-years-in-the-field Joe Oregonian gives two flying s%#ts about attracting "top" talent to a job that already pays over $500K a year? That is a need? and that $50K earning Oregonian is trying to send his kid to a state school that is now charging $10,797 a year in tuition plus $11,445/ year in room and board and several more thousand in books and other odds and end expenses that add up over the year. It just doesn't look great to say OSU wants to spend $2 million to build a mansion to attract top presidential talent to a job that pays 100x what the median salary of that state is. The reality of that money doesn't really matter. be it private donations or otherwise. What is OSU doing, as a public institution, to keep higher education affordable and accessible to its population? It rings as out of touch to your average family in this state, that regardless of a bull market and low unemployment, is still living paycheck to paycheck thanks to 30 years of stagnant wages while the CEOs and the C-suite continue to hoard the profits and benefits of their elite positions. It is also assured to be a money pit. It will not end at $2 million construction. If you are building a mansion, you are staffing a mansion. You are furnishing a mansion. every time there is a new president, you get a redo. IF there are other events that could be held at the residence, they are events that can be held at any number of our beautiful buildings on campus, that also has potential to be multi-use to the entire Oregon State landscape, for other programs and purposes... If the President needs to conduct business on behalf of the university, and entertain, he can do it on campus. If he needs to conduct private business, he can do it at his private residence, on his private time, on his own private dollar. It isn't the money... $2 million out of a $1.1 Billion budget is nothing. It is what the money and the activity represents. , I usually nod along in agreement with most of your posts, but with this one I just don't get the angst. To be honest I would have never known that OSU is looking to build a presidential house, I would have never known that university's even HAVE presidential houses, and in googling around about it I could only find one blurb on the oregon states edu site and not a whiff in any news publications. So maybe the "Optics" is a little overblown. People have to actually see this news to have an opinion on it  In general, I agree that college is too expensive, and that wage discrepancy is a thorny and important issue, especially the discrepancy when it comes to post employment wages. Pers, retirement and golden parachutes for people who will never actually need the money and when there are plenty who can never retire or barely afford to eat when they do *IS* rather galling. For the most part though I don't think any of that has much to do with OSU, Ed Ray, Scott Barnes and his salary vs Jen Cohens (which is what this thread was actually about) or a new house for the president to live in. Nor do I think a vast majority of Oregonians gives "two flying s%#ts" about OSU building ANYTHING let alone a "mansion" for the president of the university. A bunch of Oregonians sure would like to see us win some damn football games though! Go Beavs! |
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Post by nabeav on Apr 18, 2018 13:43:21 GMT -8
Honestly, I wasn't trying to start anything with regards to Barnes' salary relative to performance. I was just surprised that we had the second highest paid athletic director in the conference when it would seem a majority of our coaches are at or near the very bottom. Aside from Pat Casey and Scott Rueck, are any of our coaches paid at anything higher than bottom-third of the conference in their respective sports?
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Post by thetruebeav on Apr 18, 2018 13:51:26 GMT -8
Honestly, I wasn't trying to start anything with regards to Barnes' salary relative to performance. I was just surprised that we had the second highest paid athletic director in the conference when it would seem a majority of our coaches are at or near the very bottom. Aside from Pat Casey and Scott Rueck, are any of our coaches paid at anything higher than bottom-third of the conference in their respective sports? nabeav- i think it's interesting as well & I'm glad you brought that to attention. Now, let's see what he gets going on. I feel there just have been jabs thrown at him on this board and not sure why. He was very hush hush thru the football hire. I'm very happy with his choice there. But..... I give him an incomplete grade right now as there just isn't much to for him to be judged on thanks for your posts as I enjoy your views and wasn't sayin you were the negative one on him |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 18, 2018 13:59:38 GMT -8
The cost of the proposed house, which will be used for far more than an official residence, will be 25% offset by the sale of the former president's house on Brooklane ($415,000). The balance will be paid by private donations. Construction of a presidential residence - which most other major research universities in the country already have - has as much impact on tuition increases as the Valley Center upgrade, the new scoreboards at Gill Coliseum, the proposed improvements to Cordley Hall, the impending makeover of the LaSells-Stewart Center, or any other campus capital construction project. Academia needs bells and whistles to recruit top talent, just as athletics does. An official presidential residence is part of that picture. It is optics, again. We are in an entirely new era of communication and information dissemination. PERS is big in the news again (full disclosure, I am a vested state employee...) The president of OHSU, a public teaching university whose employees are PERS eligible is making a MONTHLY retirement of over $70K. Why should a personal that was already making well over a million a year, get a state taxpayer paid retirement of about a million a year? Ed Ray makes over $500K a year, not including a large number of perks, such as his $2500 a month housing allowance. You are telling me the average $50K earning-after-20-years-in-the-field Joe Oregonian gives two flying s%#ts about attracting "top" talent to a job that already pays over $500K a year? That is a need? and that $50K earning Oregonian is trying to send his kid to a state school that is now charging $10,797 a year in tuition plus $11,445/ year in room and board and several more thousand in books and other odds and end expenses that add up over the year. It just doesn't look great to say OSU wants to spend $2 million to build a mansion to attract top presidential talent to a job that pays 100x what the median salary of that state is. The reality of that money doesn't really matter. be it private donations or otherwise. What is OSU doing, as a public institution, to keep higher education affordable and accessible to its population? It rings as out of touch to your average family in this state, that regardless of a bull market and low unemployment, is still living paycheck to paycheck thanks to 30 years of stagnant wages while the CEOs and the C-suite continue to hoard the profits and benefits of their elite positions. It is also assured to be a money pit. It will not end at $2 million construction. If you are building a mansion, you are staffing a mansion. You are furnishing a mansion. every time there is a new president, you get a redo. IF there are other events that could be held at the residence, they are events that can be held at any number of our beautiful buildings on campus, that also has potential to be multi-use to the entire Oregon State landscape, for other programs and purposes... If the President needs to conduct business on behalf of the university, and entertain, he can do it on campus. If he needs to conduct private business, he can do it at his private residence, on his private time, on his own private dollar. It isn't the money... $2 million out of a $1.1 Billion budget is nothing. It is what the money and the activity represents. Harrrrumph!! |
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 18, 2018 14:14:11 GMT -8
atownbeaver , I usually nod along in agreement with most of your posts, but with this one I just don't get the angst. To be honest I would have never known that OSU is looking to build a presidential house, I would have never known that university's even HAVE presidential houses, and in googling around about it I could only find one blurb on the oregon states edu site and not a whiff in any news publications. So maybe the "Optics" is a little overblown. People have to actually see this news to have an opinion on it In general, I agree that college is too expensive, and that wage discrepancy is a thorny and important issue, especially the discrepancy when it comes to post employment wages. Pers, retirement and golden parachutes for people who will never actually need the money and when there are plenty who can never retire or barely afford to eat when they do *IS* rather galling. For the most part though I don't think any of that has much to do with OSU, Ed Ray, Scott Barnes and his salary vs Jen Cohens (which is what this thread was actually about) or a new house for the president to live in. Nor do I think a vast majority of Oregonians gives "two flying s%#ts" about OSU building ANYTHING let alone a "mansion" for the president of the university. A bunch of Oregonians sure would like to see us win some damn football games though! Go Beavs! I am not trying to be super angsty over it. But i suppose I am! I am trying to impress I believe public institutions have an obligation to be fiscally responsible. Oregon State needs to balance its need to expand and research and grow as an academic university, with its obligation of being a tax funded school that has obligation to provide a service to the population. I know, again, it seems kind of petty to target a house getting built, but I see it as a metaphor for so many other things wrong with higher education. The biggest issue in education, all levels, is administration creep. Or in my mind, non-educational, non-student contact, cost growth. It has been inexcusable, and a significant driver in overall costs. There are studies and papers on this subject galore, but the long and short is basically over the past 40 years or so, administrative positions in public colleges have increased significantly . Since 1975 the overall ratio of professors to students have remained essentially constant. hovering about a teaching position per 15 to 16 students. Meanwhile, the number of administrators (management type positions) have gone from 1 for every 84 students to one for every 68. Professional non teach staffers (office workers, IT, etc) have gone from one for every 50 students to 1 for every 21. In 1975, professors and teaching positions outnumbered managers and professional staff 2 to 1. over the next 40 years, teaching positions have growth nearly exactly in line with student population growth... basically 50% in 4 decades. in the same time Administration has growth over 240%, and now, today, there are more employed managers and non-teaching professional staff at universities than there are teachers... full time, part time, professor or other faculty all combined. There are 190,000 classified as "Executive management" according to BLS, staffing about 5300 colleges and universities in the US. That is 35 Executive Managers per university. I mean, yes, a $2 million build for a billion dollar budget large university is a strange place to dig in... but like I said. it is what it represents. The uncontrolled spiraling creep of administrative growth in Colleges and Universities. (also in non-profit hospitals and health systems, which I deal with on account of it being my job) |
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Post by biggieorange on Apr 19, 2018 8:50:11 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree. I don't really care what the average Oregonian (of which I am one) thinks; I think attracting top talent to be OSU's next president is a pretty big deal. I'd rather have an Ed Ray than a Robert MacVicar. If having a presidential residence is part of that equation, I'm all for it, and in Corvallis these days $2 million isn't a mansion. WHAT? 2 million is definitely a mansion in Corvegas. This isn't Palo Alto...yet. below is listed at $1.25 million link |
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Post by green85 on Apr 19, 2018 9:31:14 GMT -8
atownbeaver , I usually nod along in agreement with most of your posts, but with this one I just don't get the angst. To be honest I would have never known that OSU is looking to build a presidential house, I would have never known that university's even HAVE presidential houses, and in googling around about it I could only find one blurb on the oregon states edu site and not a whiff in any news publications. So maybe the "Optics" is a little overblown. People have to actually see this news to have an opinion on it In general, I agree that college is too expensive, and that wage discrepancy is a thorny and important issue, especially the discrepancy when it comes to post employment wages. Pers, retirement and golden parachutes for people who will never actually need the money and when there are plenty who can never retire or barely afford to eat when they do *IS* rather galling. For the most part though I don't think any of that has much to do with OSU, Ed Ray, Scott Barnes and his salary vs Jen Cohens (which is what this thread was actually about) or a new house for the president to live in. Nor do I think a vast majority of Oregonians gives "two flying s%#ts" about OSU building ANYTHING let alone a "mansion" for the president of the university. A bunch of Oregonians sure would like to see us win some damn football games though! Go Beavs! I am not trying to be super angsty over it. But i suppose I am! I am trying to impress I believe public institutions have an obligation to be fiscally responsible. Oregon State needs to balance its need to expand and research and grow as an academic university, with its obligation of being a tax funded school that has obligation to provide a service to the population. I know, again, it seems kind of petty to target a house getting built, but I see it as a metaphor for so many other things wrong with higher education. The biggest issue in education, all levels, is administration creep. Or in my mind, non-educational, non-student contact, cost growth. It has been inexcusable, and a significant driver in overall costs. There are studies and papers on this subject galore, but the long and short is basically over the past 40 years or so, administrative positions in public colleges have increased significantly . Since 1975 the overall ratio of professors to students have remained essentially constant. hovering about a teaching position per 15 to 16 students. Meanwhile, the number of administrators (management type positions) have gone from 1 for every 84 students to one for every 68. Professional non teach staffers (office workers, IT, etc) have gone from one for every 50 students to 1 for every 21. In 1975, professors and teaching positions outnumbered managers and professional staff 2 to 1. over the next 40 years, teaching positions have growth nearly exactly in line with student population growth... basically 50% in 4 decades. in the same time Administration has growth over 240%, and now, today, there are more employed managers and non-teaching professional staff at universities than there are teachers... full time, part time, professor or other faculty all combined. There are 190,000 classified as "Executive management" according to BLS, staffing about 5300 colleges and universities in the US. That is 35 Executive Managers per university. I mean, yes, a $2 million build for a billion dollar budget large university is a strange place to dig in... but like I said. it is what it represents. The uncontrolled spiraling creep of administrative growth in Colleges and Universities. (also in non-profit hospitals and health systems, which I deal with on account of it being my job) I get your point about "how this looks" without some context. And you make some excellent points in your previous post regarding facilities available for "formal meetings" and "entertainment". Some of the newer buildings on the OSU campus would appear to be very good places to use to hold formal meetings hosted by the university president. But I will take a slightly wider view on the issue of a presidential residence (e.g. mansion) for OSU. The idea of competing with other research universities for a quality president is important. And while I don't think it should matter about OSU having a "president's mansion", it apparently matters to executives that would be leading a university. In addition, similar to investments in "accommodations" for students or faculty regarding facilities, equipment, AND leisure space (e.g. lounge), the investment in a mansion may not have a direct bearing on performance of the person or even the selection of same - it can still be a feature of the position. Back to sports for a second ... it seems investment in spiffs for student-athletes is important enough to actually promote and advertise those items [vented lockers, charging stations in lockers, secure storage, TV's, athlete lounges, etc.]. While somehow the investment in a residence for the OSU president is not promoted to the stakeholders. |
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Post by obf on Apr 19, 2018 10:51:41 GMT -8
I mean, yes, a $2 million build for a billion dollar budget large university is a strange place to dig in... but like I said. it is what it represents. The uncontrolled spiraling creep of administrative growth in Colleges and Universities. (also in non-profit hospitals and health systems, which I deal with on account of it being my job) Again, I totally agree with you about the spiraling costs and admin super-growth. I just don't "see" this. "How it looks" only matters if people are looking, and in this specific instance I couldn't find anything about the mansion except on one oregonstate.edu Life@OSU recent news blog. I can't imagine that the 50K, regular Oregonian visits that blog much... of course my google skills may just be bad, if it is on OLive or the GT or something feel free to enlighten me. Completely agree on the optics of college's financing stuff that seems ludacris or outrageous.... unfortunately for us hard core sports fans on this forum, the ludacris and outrageous facility costs that MOST people see and have a problem with is... in.... sports....  Even the fairly low cost and modest recent valley football center expansion had plenty of detractors for the very reason you express above. Even though the university can show that the funds for it were private donations and didn't affect the cost of tuition at all (just like the "mansion" will be), it doesn't matter to the public who just sees OSU spending gobs of money on what is not an essential university program (depends on who you ask what is and isn't essential of course;) ). You don't have to look very far on the OSU campus (or any campus) to find someone who thinks that sports programs in general should go away because of their costs... Probably many of those fancy executive managers would agree  As a father of four wondering how I will put even one of them through college (and the spouse of a hospital worker) I wholeheartedly agree with you that the spiraling, bloated, greedy, ridiculous financial climate of Universities (and the health field) is a big problem and one that needs to be addressed post haste, but worrying about the optics of a "mansion" won't do anything, IMHO. Of course it's not like I have a bunch of great idea on how to address the real underlying problem either   |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 19, 2018 13:41:56 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree. I don't really care what the average Oregonian (of which I am one) thinks; I think attracting top talent to be OSU's next president is a pretty big deal. I'd rather have an Ed Ray than a Robert MacVicar. If having a presidential residence is part of that equation, I'm all for it, and in Corvallis these days $2 million isn't a mansion. WHAT? 2 million is definitely a mansion in Corvegas. This isn't Palo Alto...yet. below is listed at $1.25 million link1.25 million for the house. How much for the pool boy? half of everything you got? and btw...i read the thread title a few days ago and though Ad Rutschman was going to be our AD. this McMinnville boy is all in |
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Post by blueheron on Apr 28, 2018 7:28:42 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree. I don't really care what the average Oregonian (of which I am one) thinks; I think attracting top talent to be OSU's next president is a pretty big deal. I'd rather have an Ed Ray than a Robert MacVicar. If having a presidential residence is part of that equation, I'm all for it, and in Corvallis these days $2 million isn't a mansion. I agree with the sentiment 100%. Ed Ray is in the twilight of his career, and OSU simply cannot take a step backwards with its next president. |
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