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Post by nabeav on Apr 17, 2018 13:28:31 GMT -8
From Jon Wilner:
Report on AD compensation
If Washington athletic director Jen Cohen isn’t the best value in the Pac-12, she’s on the top tier with … with … gimme a few days on that one.
In her two years on the job, Cohen has hired three Pac-12 Coach of the Year winners, including Mike Hopkins, and negotiated a $119 million deal with Adidas.
And now we find that Cohen isn't merely the lowest-paid public school athletic director in the conference, she’s also the lowest-paid public school AD in the Power Five based on department expenses.
This nugget comes via a report by Athletic Director U, whose authors reviewed the annual compensation packages of every athletic director in the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC.
They examined AD pay from a variety of angles, including compensation compared to department revenues and to department expenses.
The analysis makes one assumption — that the reports are true of a $900,000 annual deal for new Tennessee AD Phil Fulmer — and goes on to conclude:
“The contract with the lowest annual guaranteed compensation relative to departmental expenses will be that of University of Washington Athletic Director Jennifer Cohen (0.48%).”
Cohen is expected to earn $520,000 in 2017-18, while Washington’s expenses for the year used in the survey (FY16) were about $110 million.
Here’s the full list of Pac-12 public school AD pay for the current academic year (bonuses not included):
UCLA’s Dan Guerrero: $1,083,779
OSU’s Scott Barnes: $937,508
Oregon’s Rob Mullens: $814,891
ASU’s Ray Anderson: $800,000
Colorado’s Rick George: $772,418
Utah’s Chris Hill: $763,600
WSU’s Patrick Chun: $675,000
Cal’s Mike Williams: $609,000 (outgoing)
Arizona’s Dave Heeke: $520,000
Washington’s Jen Cohen: $520,000
Somebody, get Cohen a raise. -- Jon Wilner
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 17, 2018 13:40:13 GMT -8
We're getting hosed...
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 17, 2018 13:56:12 GMT -8
The optics of the lowest paid AD in Power 5 football being female, particularly compared to how successful she has been, is not good.
related, I have to agree, I do not see what $900K is buying us. Not sure we have a good investment in the AD position right now. Couple that with an article I just read that OSU board of trustees is proposing spending $2 million to build an official president of the University residence in the face of tuition increases year over year and I am not sure I feel warm and fuzzy about money management at my alma mater.
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Post by obf on Apr 17, 2018 15:14:57 GMT -8
The optics of the lowest paid AD in Power 5 football being female, particularly compared to how successful she has been, is not good. related, I have to agree, I do not see what $900K is buying us. Not sure we have a good investment in the AD position right now. Couple that with an article I just read that OSU board of trustees is proposing spending $2 million to build an official president of the University residence in the face of tuition increases year over year and I am not sure I feel warm and fuzzy about money management at my alma mater. Would that be like the University's version of the White house?? Is that common, I have never even heard of that... It is pretty darn unbelievable that we have the second highest paid AD in the Pac-12... Maybe that is reflective of the difficulty in filling the position? Are the lower paid ADs getting compensated in a different way or with very large bonus figures that Barnes doesn't have? Seems like a very odd inversion... Totally agree, the optics of one of the few high powered women in college sports getting paid HALF what a meh male AD at a bad sports school is getting paid is pretty awful... I want to believe there is no sexism in this specific case, but that would take a pretty big leap of faith... sad commentary... Barnes is older and has more experience (this is his 20th year and fifth stop as an AD, Cohen is 2 years into her first AD-ship), If I squint REALLY hard I guess THAT can explain the difference in pay?!?!?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 17, 2018 15:47:04 GMT -8
I tried to find Barnes' salary st Pit but couldn't. Did find his predecessor at 892k before he was hired there. Barnes apparently was paid in the 590k range when he left Utah state.
What I get from this is OSU may have paid on the high side to get him, but maybe not crazily out of line, and the gal at UW came in cheap (her predecessor was at 690k when he left).
It would be interesting to see what the going rates at this level for ADs was in 2016.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 17, 2018 15:48:50 GMT -8
Couple that with an article I just read that OSU board of trustees is proposing spending $2 million to build an official president of the University residence in the face of tuition increases year over year and I am not sure I feel warm and fuzzy about money management at my alma mater. The cost of the proposed house, which will be used for far more than an official residence, will be 25% offset by the sale of the former president's house on Brooklane ($415,000). The balance will be paid by private donations. Construction of a presidential residence - which most other major research universities in the country already have - has as much impact on tuition increases as the Valley Center upgrade, the new scoreboards at Gill Coliseum, the proposed improvements to Cordley Hall, the impending makeover of the LaSells-Stewart Center, or any other campus capital construction project. Academia needs bells and whistles to recruit top talent, just as athletics does. An official presidential residence is part of that picture.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 17, 2018 16:37:47 GMT -8
I'd hope they'd get a bunch more than 415k for a house on Brooklane, if it's the section of road I'm thinking there are properties worth double or more than that. It'd have to be one of the dumpier properties down there to be worth that.
University president housing is not all that uncommon. UW's has 35 rooms and has been valued at 8.5 million or thereabouts. My guess is the braintrust st OSU is starting to think about the day Ed Ray moves along. Sometimes offering a terrific residence trumps a higher wage.
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Post by thetruebeav on Apr 17, 2018 16:37:48 GMT -8
Simple question as I truly don't know the answer. Why the shade for him? Hell....I don't even know em much. Didn't hire any of our coaches other then Smith. I for one, em happy about that. But jury is still out for me as I don't know if he is good or bad period. Our last AD was here for such a short time that I vaguely think he was Canadian or Australian originally. Insert sarcasm there. Anywho.... seems to me old Barnsie hasn't done much of anything to get praise Rajneeshee style or 2 clown him like Garry Anderson personal advisor.
P.S. Yes i did the edit... price tag seems like damn though
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 17, 2018 17:51:50 GMT -8
I'd hope they'd get a bunch more than 415k for a house on Brooklane, if it's the section of road I'm thinking there are properties worth double or more than that. It'd have to be one of the dumpier properties down there to be worth that. University president housing is not all that uncommon. UW's has 35 rooms and has been valued at 8.5 million or thereabouts. My guess is the braintrust st OSU is starting to think about the day Ed Ray moves along. Sometimes offering a terrific residence trumps a higher wage. The house sold in 2011. Prices have risen considerably in seven years so I'm sure they would have gotten considerably more had it been on the market today. Barnes has also hired the men's soccer coach. Not a big hire, but he got the top assistant from a premier program and I've heard good things about the new coach.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 17, 2018 20:58:38 GMT -8
I'd hope they'd get a bunch more than 415k for a house on Brooklane, if it's the section of road I'm thinking there are properties worth double or more than that. It'd have to be one of the dumpier properties down there to be worth that. University president housing is not all that uncommon. UW's has 35 rooms and has been valued at 8.5 million or thereabouts. My guess is the braintrust st OSU is starting to think about the day Ed Ray moves along. Sometimes offering a terrific residence trumps a higher wage. The house sold in 2011. Prices have risen considerably in seven years so I'm sure they would have gotten considerably more had it been on the market today. Barnes has also hired the men's soccer coach. Not a big hire, but he got the top assistant from a premier program and I've heard good things about the new coach. and somehow he got GA to walk away from his huge buyout.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 17, 2018 21:57:47 GMT -8
The house sold in 2011. Prices have risen considerably in seven years so I'm sure they would have gotten considerably more had it been on the market today. Barnes has also hired the men's soccer coach. Not a big hire, but he got the top assistant from a premier program and I've heard good things about the new coach. and somehow he got GA to walk away from his huge buyout. He paid his salary for the next 13 years with that one move
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 18, 2018 7:56:38 GMT -8
Couple that with an article I just read that OSU board of trustees is proposing spending $2 million to build an official president of the University residence in the face of tuition increases year over year and I am not sure I feel warm and fuzzy about money management at my alma mater. The cost of the proposed house, which will be used for far more than an official residence, will be 25% offset by the sale of the former president's house on Brooklane ($415,000). The balance will be paid by private donations. Construction of a presidential residence - which most other major research universities in the country already have - has as much impact on tuition increases as the Valley Center upgrade, the new scoreboards at Gill Coliseum, the proposed improvements to Cordley Hall, the impending makeover of the LaSells-Stewart Center, or any other campus capital construction project. Academia needs bells and whistles to recruit top talent, just as athletics does. An official presidential residence is part of that picture. It is optics, again. We are in an entirely new era of communication and information dissemination. PERS is big in the news again (full disclosure, I am a vested state employee...) The president of OHSU, a public teaching university whose employees are PERS eligible is making a MONTHLY retirement of over $70K. Why should a personal that was already making well over a million a year, get a state taxpayer paid retirement of about a million a year? Ed Ray makes over $500K a year, not including a large number of perks, such as his $2500 a month housing allowance. You are telling me the average $50K earning-after-20-years-in-the-field Joe Oregonian gives two flying s%#ts about attracting "top" talent to a job that already pays over $500K a year? That is a need? and that $50K earning Oregonian is trying to send his kid to a state school that is now charging $10,797 a year in tuition plus $11,445/ year in room and board and several more thousand in books and other odds and end expenses that add up over the year. It just doesn't look great to say OSU wants to spend $2 million to build a mansion to attract top presidential talent to a job that pays 100x what the median salary of that state is. The reality of that money doesn't really matter. be it private donations or otherwise. What is OSU doing, as a public institution, to keep higher education affordable and accessible to its population? It rings as out of touch to your average family in this state, that regardless of a bull market and low unemployment, is still living paycheck to paycheck thanks to 30 years of stagnant wages while the CEOs and the C-suite continue to hoard the profits and benefits of their elite positions. It is also assured to be a money pit. It will not end at $2 million construction. If you are building a mansion, you are staffing a mansion. You are furnishing a mansion. every time there is a new president, you get a redo. IF there are other events that could be held at the residence, they are events that can be held at any number of our beautiful buildings on campus, that also has potential to be multi-use to the entire Oregon State landscape, for other programs and purposes... If the President needs to conduct business on behalf of the university, and entertain, he can do it on campus. If he needs to conduct private business, he can do it at his private residence, on his private time, on his own private dollar. It isn't the money... $2 million out of a $1.1 Billion budget is nothing. It is what the money and the activity represents.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 18, 2018 8:01:08 GMT -8
Simple question as I truly don't know the answer. Why the shade for him? Hell....I don't even know em much. Didn't hire any of our coaches other then Smith. I for one, em happy about that. But jury is still out for me as I don't know if he is good or bad period. Our last AD was here for such a short time that I vaguely think he was Canadian or Australian originally. Insert sarcasm there. Anywho.... seems to me old Barnsie hasn't done much of anything to get praise Rajneeshee style or 2 clown him like Garry Anderson personal advisor. P.S. Yes i did the edit... price tag seems like damn though Don't ask a Pittsburgh fan for their opinion.
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Post by nabeav on Apr 18, 2018 8:04:23 GMT -8
Barnes Coaching Hires
Football: Jonathan Smith, formerly of University of Washington. his salary is approx. $1.9M
Track/Cross Country: Louie Quintana, formerly of Arizona State. Looks like he makes right around $100K.
Men's Soccer: Terry Boss, formerly of University of Virginia. His salary is approx. $110K. Every other men's soccer coach in the Pac-12 (save for San Diego State's) makes north of $200K.
Women's Rowing: Kate Maxim, formerly of Princeton University. her salary is approx. $100K.
All except Quintana have Oregon State ties.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 18, 2018 8:04:38 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree. I don't really care what the average Oregonian (of which I am one) thinks; I think attracting top talent to be OSU's next president is a pretty big deal. I'd rather have an Ed Ray than a Robert MacVicar. If having a presidential residence is part of that equation, I'm all for it, and in Corvallis these days $2 million isn't a mansion.
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