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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 24, 2018 12:22:19 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line! Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop. I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development. We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system. I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games. Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season. Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years. Had to stop reading at "our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai"! You may have made some points after, but any credence was lost right there. He was in no way EVER, healthy or otherwise, the best player on offense. He may be the worst starting TE in the last 20 years. Not a go to receiver, and shouldn't see the field as a blocker. But, he is a great example of the hand JS was dealt ands the youth. He played only because there was really no one else but frosh.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 24, 2018 12:22:57 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line! Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop. I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development. We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system. I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games. Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season. Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years. Excellent first post beavertd!! Welcome aboard! Now, stop making so much sense!!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 24, 2018 12:28:25 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line! Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop. I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development. We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system. I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games. Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season. Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years. Had to stop reading at "our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai"! You may have made some points after, but any credence was lost right there. He was in no way EVER, healthy or otherwise, the best player on offense. He may be the worst starting TE in the last 20 years. Not a go to receiver, and shouldn't see the field as a blocker. But, he is a great example of the hand JS was dealt ands the youth. He played only because there was really no one else but frosh. That "false start" Smith guy from a few years ago gets my vote for "worst starting TE in the last 20 years"
Go Beavs!!
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 24, 2018 12:37:00 GMT -8
Had to stop reading at "our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai"! You may have made some points after, but any credence was lost right there. He was in no way EVER, healthy or otherwise, the best player on offense. He may be the worst starting TE in the last 20 years. Not a go to receiver, and shouldn't see the field as a blocker. But, he is a great example of the hand JS was dealt ands the youth. He played only because there was really no one else but frosh. That "false start" Smith guy from a few years ago gets my vote for "worst starting TE in the last 20 years"
Go Beavs!!
Hurt/out of the lineup as much, penalties, but better TE... but lesser of two evils whomever you choose!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 12:40:58 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line! Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop. I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development. We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system. I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games. Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season. Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years. Had to stop reading at "our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai"! You may have made some points after, but any credence was lost right there. He was in no way EVER, healthy or otherwise, the best player on offense. He may be the worst starting TE in the last 20 years. Not a go to receiver, and shouldn't see the field as a blocker. But, he is a great example of the hand JS was dealt ands the youth. He played only because there was really no one else but frosh. Togiai was never the same after his injuries. Credit him for coming back at least and not just taking a medical retirement.
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Post by beavertd on Nov 24, 2018 18:06:08 GMT -8
I should have qualified my statement about Togiai. He was the best statistically on offense along with AP, and regardless was at least considered a PAC-12 level TE buy many "expert" prognosticators. He's hurt so we replace him with two true Freshman. Talented but physically over matched and without college experience. Tough to do with elite recruits, let alone ours.
You could make an argument about Morris not being the best also. But statistically, along with "experts", he was considered a better to much better than average PAC-12 player going into this year. Morris was a huge loss imo.
Injuries happen to all teams. But with this group, losing 3-4 decent to good players was devastating. Especially on Defense.
Depth on this team will take 2-3 years to develop. Quality D-Lineman are the hardest to recruit. Offensive Lineman are a 2-3 year project to develop, unless you luck upon some real blue chippers.
Sadly, this is going to take time. I like where Coach Smith is going. Can he overcome the obstacles that lay ahead?
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Post by rafer on Nov 24, 2018 19:26:38 GMT -8
Just watched JS press conf. after the game, surprised he wasn't wearing mouth guard tp keep his teeth from breaking. Apparent that he was as pissed as most of us were after that performance, and to his credit, called it like it was, good on ya Niner!!
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Post by albanianbeav on Nov 24, 2018 20:02:56 GMT -8
I should have qualified my statement about Togiai. He was the best statistically on offense along with AP, and regardless was at least considered a PAC-12 level TE buy many "expert" prognosticators. He's hurt so we replace him with two true Freshman. Talented but physically over matched and without college experience. Tough to do with elite recruits, let alone ours. You could make an argument about Morris not being the best also. But statistically, along with "experts", he was considered a better to much better than average PAC-12 player going into this year. Morris was a huge loss imo. Injuries happen to all teams. But with this group, losing 3-4 decent to good players was devastating. Especially on Defense. Depth on this team will take 2-3 years to develop. Quality D-Lineman are the hardest to recruit. Offensive Lineman are a 2-3 year project to develop, unless you luck upon some real blue chippers. Sadly, this is going to take time. I like where Coach Smith is going. Can he overcome the obstacles that lay ahead? There are folks questioning scheme and play calls, but I am not sure what defensive scheme works when you are out matched on the d-line to the level we are and then add to it inexperience at linebacker. One or the other and you can scheme around it. With both, I think you are stuck. On offense our o-line was inconsistently good run blocking, but consistently bad pass blocking. I think that seriously limits what you call. I can see the argument that we overdid the trick plays, but the thinking is to keep the d off balance. We probably all prefer more traditional play calling, but hard for me to knock him for what he was trying to accomplish. The main thing for me is CJS is a first year coach, with a roster that was completely new to him. I am sure he learned a lot, about himself and his players. He is unproven, so a risk, but I for one believe he is the right man for the job. He executed a plan based on the players he had. As his players change, so will his strategy. I will be eagerly following our recruiting progress now. Go Beavs!
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 24, 2018 21:20:18 GMT -8
smith is supposedly a smart guy that is also super competitive so I do expect the future to get better but as he said in the post game press conf. they need linemen on both sides of the ball. so it comes down to being able to recruit talent more than being smart or being a competitive person. He has already cashed in on Riley/Bray Nebraska connection with talent now hopefully they steal a few big guys for DL and OL. I hope they don't sign a full class and snag some post signing period guys that always show up every year. I'd rather they hold places instead of signing guys that only have interest from non-power 5 schools like many on our current roster
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Post by blastingsand on Nov 24, 2018 22:06:53 GMT -8
I"m surprised the 2016 civil war win fooled some people here. That one win over the ducks and everyone expects constant advantage no matter how bad we are? This program was driven to the ground after fans mobbed Mike Riley out a few years ago. Driven even further from the nonsense coach Gary Anderson. The good news is even terrible, terrible programs get a turnaround. Look at Colorado, WSU, UW. The Civil War used to be what the apple cup is now.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 24, 2018 22:20:31 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line! Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop. I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development. We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system. I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games. Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season. Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years. Had to stop reading at "our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai"! You may have made some points after, but any credence was lost right there. He was in no way EVER, healthy or otherwise, the best player on offense. He may be the worst starting TE in the last 20 years. Not a go to receiver, and shouldn't see the field as a blocker. But, he is a great example of the hand JS was dealt ands the youth. He played only because there was really no one else but frosh. The frosh outplayed him much of the year too overall
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Post by greshambeaver on Nov 24, 2018 22:26:50 GMT -8
Jessus, I guess I watched a different game? Yes we were dominated, some of it was coaching, some of it was officiating, some of it was luck... I get all of that, but to blame J.S. for the entire bad dream is ridiculous... Yes there were over the top play calling and mistakes with roster, defenses, offenses substitutions: etcetera, but lets face it we were out talented in this game..plain and simple.
Give the coach some credit for sticking in there and making the team competitive in many games this year.
Lets also not forget that the duckies were still trying to score with a 40 point lead and 16 seconds left. REMEMBER that COACH SMITH. Your time will come. Please don't let up on the gas when it does!!!
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 24, 2018 22:31:12 GMT -8
I"m surprised the 2016 civil war win fooled some people here. That one win over the ducks and everyone expects constant advantage no matter how bad we are? This program was driven to the ground after fans mobbed Mike Riley out a few years ago. Driven even further from the nonsense coach Gary Anderson. The good news is even terrible, terrible programs get a turnaround. Look at Colorado, WSU, UW. The Civil War used to be what the apple cup is now. “Saint Mike” left on his own accord for a “better” job and more money. It was the 2nd of 3 times he has left OSU for another job. He was never “mobbed” by the fans to leave. People need to stop with revisionist history.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 25, 2018 12:25:57 GMT -8
We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo. I’ve seen a few posters say this over the course of the season, yet Luton’s passers rating (8th in the league) is about smack dab in the middle of Sean Mannion’s ratings results at OSU (higher than Mannion’s senior year) despite being his first year in Smith’s system and playing a bit hobbled much of the year. If Luton ends up sticking in the NFL it’ll be quite a jump for a kid that was “Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter”. I really have a tough time faulting his play at the position.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 25, 2018 13:45:59 GMT -8
I"m surprised the 2016 civil war win fooled some people here. That one win over the ducks and everyone expects constant advantage no matter how bad we are? This program was driven to the ground after fans mobbed Mike Riley out a few years ago. Driven even further from the nonsense coach Gary Anderson. The good news is even terrible, terrible programs get a turnaround. Look at Colorado, WSU, UW. The Civil War used to be what the apple cup is now. “Saint Mike” left on his own accord for a “better” job and more money. It was the 2nd of 3 times he has left OSU for another job. He was never “mobbed” by the fans to leave. People need to stop with revisionist history. I know you're not a Riley fan but to be fair, the pressure/lack of support from DeCarolis was without question part of the reason he chose the Nebraska job. He didn't take it because it was a dream job or the NFL, he took it because the situation in Corvallis made it attractive for him to leave.
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