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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 25, 2018 15:44:14 GMT -8
BDC demanded he fire Banker, and Reid. Banker was OK with that; Riley didn't want to dismiss either. Then the Nebraska opportunity materialized and he could keep both coaches, and go to a better job. Perfect timing for Mike.
BDC was being accountable, forcing out a coach who had outlived his effectiveness at OSU.
And, supporter or not (I was), most were not unhappy to see Riley move on. He also seemed to have passed his expiration date at OSU.
He remains, to me, the best coach at OSU in the last 50 years. Erickson had the one great year but we were trending down in 2001 and 2002. Riley established sustained success here, until his final two years.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 25, 2018 15:54:45 GMT -8
“Saint Mike” left on his own accord for a “better” job and more money. It was the 2nd of 3 times he has left OSU for another job. He was never “mobbed” by the fans to leave. People need to stop with revisionist history. I know you're not a Riley fan but to be fair, the pressure/lack of support from DeCarolis was without question part of the reason he chose the Nebraska job. He didn't take it because it was a dream job or the NFL, he took it because the situation in Corvallis made it attractive for him to leave. I was a fan of Riley. The poster said fans forced himout. You say it was lack of admin support. Wtf?
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 25, 2018 16:12:34 GMT -8
I know you're not a Riley fan but to be fair, the pressure/lack of support from DeCarolis was without question part of the reason he chose the Nebraska job. He didn't take it because it was a dream job or the NFL, he took it because the situation in Corvallis made it attractive for him to leave. I was a fan of Riley. The poster said fans forced himout. You say it was lack of admin support. Wtf? Have you only become a Riley critic since he left? I guess I didn't realize that. The two are not mutually exclusive.. it can be both. Fan/booster pressure drove DeCarolis' decision to force Riley to fire Banker, in my opinion. The lack of admin support is more financial, which we've been over many many times. Riley was taking bodybag games and not demanding reinvestment into the football program - he was playing the good soldier, trying to help the AD get out of the black while the rest of the conference outpaced Oregon State's spending by a wide margin. The typical solution when the football program is experiencing success is to continue to reinvest, not bleed it dry. We followed up the most successful run in the history of the program with the lowest budget of any program in the conference. For recruiting budget, dead last. For annual operating budget, dead last. It wasn't until Riley left that the AD finally made a modest attempt at closing the sizable gap with the rest of the conference.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 25, 2018 18:59:12 GMT -8
I was a fan of Riley. The poster said fans forced him out. You say it was lack of admin support. Wtf? Have you only become a Riley critic since he left? I guess I didn't realize that. The two are not mutually exclusive.. it can be both. Fan/booster pressure drove DeCarolis' decision to force Riley to fire Banker, in my opinion. The lack of admin support is more financial, which we've been over many many times. Riley was taking bodybag games and not demanding reinvestment into the football program - he was playing the good soldier, trying to help the AD get out of the black while the rest of the conference outpaced Oregon State's spending by a wide margin. The typical solution when the football program is experiencing success is to continue to reinvest, not bleed it dry. We followed up the most successful run in the history of the program with the lowest budget of any program in the conference. For recruiting budget, dead last. For annual operating budget, dead last. It wasn't until Riley left that the AD finally made a modest attempt at closing the sizable gap with the rest of the conference. I guess I feel like I can be a fan and respect what he did, but also be critical at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive, am I right? I only chime in on Riley threads when I see people like the poster I replied to, come in with the "fans drove him away" bull-crap. I like to point out that Mike left OSU, THREE TIMES, on his own. He wasn't fired or forced out. He left OSU, we didn't leave him. If he needed more money, he should have demanded it. But instead he felt the need to be loyal to his assistants. These seem to be the most prevalent conspiracy theories being thrown around these days. I don't think anyone but Riley and DeCarolis really know what happened. My "Mediocre Mike" routine rubbed some the wrong way, I don't apologize for that. His Pac 12 record is .500. Some call that great, others might call it middle of the road. Now let's cue up the "I'd sure like to have some of that mediocrity now" posts...and we could have that mediocrity now if Riley had not left OSU for Nebraska.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 25, 2018 19:40:19 GMT -8
I guess I feel like I can be a fan and respect what he did, but also be critical at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive, am I right? I only chime in on Riley threads when I see people like the poster I replied to, come in with the "fans drove him away" bull-crap. I like to point out that Mike left OSU, THREE TIMES, on his own. He wasn't fired or forced out. He left OSU, we didn't leave him. If he needed more money, he should have demanded it. But instead he felt the need to be loyal to his assistants. These seem to be the most prevalent conspiracy theories being thrown around these days. I don't think anyone but Riley and DeCarolis really know what happened. My "Mediocre Mike" routine rubbed some the wrong way, I don't apologize for that. His Pac 12 record is .500. Some call that great, others might call it middle of the road. Now let's cue up the "I'd sure like to have some of that mediocrity now" posts...and we could have that mediocrity now if Riley had not left OSU for Nebraska. MR II equaled 8 bowl seasons, 6 bowl wins, and 4 non bowl seasons.
The term mediocre implies you could drop any average coach in his place and OSU would have a similar outcome. You can hide behind the .500 number for cover and claim you're being accurate, but your not and it's an egregious lie to imply MR was mediocre. No average coach was going to produce that type of sustained success here.
A place you could aptly use the term mediocre and be appropriately accurate is Pac12 officiating.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 25, 2018 20:01:56 GMT -8
I guess I feel like I can be a fan and respect what he did, but also be critical at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive, am I right? I only chime in on Riley threads when I see people like the poster I replied to, come in with the "fans drove him away" bull-crap. I like to point out that Mike left OSU, THREE TIMES, on his own. He wasn't fired or forced out. He left OSU, we didn't leave him. If he needed more money, he should have demanded it. But instead he felt the need to be loyal to his assistants. These seem to be the most prevalent conspiracy theories being thrown around these days. I don't think anyone but Riley and DeCarolis really know what happened. My "Mediocre Mike" routine rubbed some the wrong way, I don't apologize for that. His Pac 12 record is .500. Some call that great, others might call it middle of the road. Now let's cue up the "I'd sure like to have some of that mediocrity now" posts...and we could have that mediocrity now if Riley had not left OSU for Nebraska. MR II equaled 8 bowl seasons, 6 bowl wins, and 4 non bowl seasons.
The term mediocre implies you could drop any average coach in his place and OSU would have a similar outcome. You can hide behind the .500 number for cover and claim you're being accurate, but your not and it's an egregious lie to imply MR was mediocre. No average coach was going to produce that type of sustained success here.
A place you could aptly use the term mediocre and be appropriately accurate is Pac12 officiating.
See?
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 25, 2018 21:24:14 GMT -8
Have you only become a Riley critic since he left? I guess I didn't realize that. The two are not mutually exclusive.. it can be both. Fan/booster pressure drove DeCarolis' decision to force Riley to fire Banker, in my opinion. The lack of admin support is more financial, which we've been over many many times. Riley was taking bodybag games and not demanding reinvestment into the football program - he was playing the good soldier, trying to help the AD get out of the black while the rest of the conference outpaced Oregon State's spending by a wide margin. The typical solution when the football program is experiencing success is to continue to reinvest, not bleed it dry. We followed up the most successful run in the history of the program with the lowest budget of any program in the conference. For recruiting budget, dead last. For annual operating budget, dead last. It wasn't until Riley left that the AD finally made a modest attempt at closing the sizable gap with the rest of the conference. I guess I feel like I can be a fan and respect what he did, but also be critical at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive, am I right? I only chime in on Riley threads when I see people like the poster I replied to, come in with the "fans drove him away" bull-crap. I like to point out that Mike left OSU, THREE TIMES, on his own. He wasn't fired or forced out. He left OSU, we didn't leave him. If he needed more money, he should have demanded it. But instead he felt the need to be loyal to his assistants. These seem to be the most prevalent conspiracy theories being thrown around these days. I don't think anyone but Riley and DeCarolis really know what happened. My "Mediocre Mike" routine rubbed some the wrong way, I don't apologize for that. His Pac 12 record is .500. Some call that great, others might call it middle of the road. Now let's cue up the "I'd sure like to have some of that mediocrity now" posts...and we could have that mediocrity now if Riley had not left OSU for Nebraska. Your "Mediocre Mike" routine is entirely why I did not figure you for a fan. Being a fan of the man says you think he is or was something special, which is diametrically opposed to the statement that he was mediocre. In the literal sense, saying you're a fanatic is mutually exclusive from saying that he was nothing special. Beyond that, "mediocre" is typically considered as a pejorative. So yeah, I find myself genuinely surprised that you count yourself as a fan of Riley's. As for what went down between him and DeCarolis, sure there are some conspiracy things but there's been enough legitimately reported in the media by Eggers etc. and the facts support that Riley was working without the tools of his peers for a long, long time before he left. That isn't conspiracy theory, it's facts from readily available sources. We know some of the inner workings thanks to posters like OSUProf sharing some of that publicly available data. I don't think it's necessary to canonize Riley, he had his faults. I said at the time when he left that it was probably best for us all. The program needed some new life/energy and although the GAG experiment was a disaster, it may have been the burn that the forest needed, so to speak. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea of being mad that he left the program, even if it was THREE TIMES.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 25, 2018 22:23:01 GMT -8
I guess I feel like I can be a fan and respect what he did, but also be critical at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive, am I right? I only chime in on Riley threads when I see people like the poster I replied to, come in with the "fans drove him away" bull-crap. I like to point out that Mike left OSU, THREE TIMES, on his own. He wasn't fired or forced out. He left OSU, we didn't leave him. If he needed more money, he should have demanded it. But instead he felt the need to be loyal to his assistants. These seem to be the most prevalent conspiracy theories being thrown around these days. I don't think anyone but Riley and DeCarolis really know what happened. My "Mediocre Mike" routine rubbed some the wrong way, I don't apologize for that. His Pac 12 record is .500. Some call that great, others might call it middle of the road. Now let's cue up the "I'd sure like to have some of that mediocrity now" posts...and we could have that mediocrity now if Riley had not left OSU for Nebraska. Your "Mediocre Mike" routine is entirely why I did not figure you for a fan. Being a fan of the man says you think he is or was something special, which is diametrically opposed to the statement that he was mediocre. In the literal sense, saying you're a fanatic is mutually exclusive from saying that he was nothing special. Beyond that, "mediocre" is typically considered as a pejorative. So yeah, I find myself genuinely surprised that you count yourself as a fan of Riley's. As for what went down between him and DeCarolis, sure there are some conspiracy things but there's been enough legitimately reported in the media by Eggers etc. and the facts support that Riley was working without the tools of his peers for a long, long time before he left. That isn't conspiracy theory, it's facts from readily available sources. We know some of the inner workings thanks to posters like OSUProf sharing some of that publicly available data. I don't think it's necessary to canonize Riley, he had his faults. I said at the time when he left that it was probably best for us all. The program needed some new life/energy and although the GAG experiment was a disaster, it may have been the burn that the forest needed, so to speak. I can't quite wrap my head around the idea of being mad that he left the program, even if it was THREE TIMES. The "three times" remark is also kind of ridiculous. Anyone thinking Riley was going to stick around as the TE coach at OSU for any significant amount of time ... really?
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 25, 2018 22:32:53 GMT -8
He didn't take it because it was a dream job or the NFL, he took it because the situation in Corvallis made it attractive for him to leave. He got to go someplace with the money, support and annual recruiting haul and winners on roster to be able to show everyone the times hadn't passed him by as to being competitive at high level. The NB AD was on board and was fired for it and Riley lasted longer than I thought he would and got a ton of cash.
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Post by sagebrush on Nov 25, 2018 22:42:13 GMT -8
No need for QR3 to be around anymore. At least QA had the grace to leave the day he quit.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 25, 2018 22:42:25 GMT -8
Being a fan of the man says you think he is or was something special Well, I'm a fan of the Oregon State football team and I can assure you there is nothing special about them, so maybe this isn't an entirely accurate statement.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2018 0:54:40 GMT -8
Has Riley officially left the third time yet?
He was with the team until at least recently. I think he’s supposed to show in San Antonio some time next month.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 26, 2018 2:48:09 GMT -8
Being a fan of the man says you think he is or was something special Well, I'm a fan of the Oregon State football team and I can assure you there is nothing special about them, so maybe this isn't an entirely accurate statement. Not a fan of the team or the program, that's a different relationship than choosing a specific individual and declaring yourself a fan of that individual.
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Post by irimi on Nov 26, 2018 5:27:39 GMT -8
Well, I'm a fan of the Oregon State football team and I can assure you there is nothing special about them, so maybe this isn't an entirely accurate statement. Not a fan of the team or the program, that's a different relationship than choosing a specific individual and declaring yourself a fan of that individual. I suppose then that declaring yourself a fan of an individual means accepting him/her completely and without criticism. Sounds a bit like hero worship. No, thanks. Riley was an important coach for OSU, but he had his faults. Maybe those faults were exacerbated by OSU Admin. But if that had been the case, he should have succeeded at Nebraska where they were begging for success.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 26, 2018 8:35:04 GMT -8
Not a fan of the team or the program, that's a different relationship than choosing a specific individual and declaring yourself a fan of that individual. I suppose then that declaring yourself a fan of an individual means accepting him/her completely and without criticism. Sounds a bit like hero worship. No, thanks. Riley was an important coach for OSU, but he had his faults. Maybe those faults were exacerbated by OSU Admin. But if that had been the case, he should have succeeded at Nebraska where they were begging for success. Way to take things to an opposite extreme, irimi. No one said you couldn't be a fan of someone unless you never criticized them. You had to know that was a ludicrous statement when you typed it.
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