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Post by korculabeav on Sept 7, 2019 9:47:15 GMT -8
....on a consistent basis being in a non-power 5 conference with limited resources, diminished curb appeal for recruits, little bowl payout share, and other limitations yet OSU struggles to win 2 in a season, years of losing, coming up on the short end of the recruiting stick but have good conference bowl and TV revenue share and other advantages BSU doesn’t have? The colossal disparity in success in the last few years between the two programs defies logic.
Yeah Taggart and Florida State are in the toilet but for the Broncos to go into their stadium and soundly beat the ‘Noles confirms BSU has a mojo we have not had in years.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2019 9:51:32 GMT -8
....on a consistent basis being in a non-power 5 conference with limited resources, diminished curb appeal for recruits, little bowl payout share, and other limitations yet OSU struggles to win 2 in a season, years of losing, coming up on the short end of the recruiting stick but have good conference bowl and TV revenue share and other advantages BSU doesn’t have? The colossal disparity in success in the last few years between the two programs defies logic. Yeah Taggart and Florida State are in the toilet but for the Broncos to go into their stadium and soundly beat the ‘Noles confirms BSU has a mojo we have not had in years. 1) Airport 2) Waterpark |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 7, 2019 9:56:58 GMT -8
....on a consistent basis being in a non-power 5 conference with limited resources, diminished curb appeal for recruits, little bowl payout share, and other limitations yet OSU struggles to win 2 in a season, years of losing, coming up on the short end of the recruiting stick but have good conference bowl and TV revenue share and other advantages BSU doesn’t have? The colossal disparity in success in the last few years between the two programs defies logic. Yeah Taggart and Florida State are in the toilet but for the Broncos to go into their stadium and soundly beat the ‘Noles confirms BSU has a mojo we have not had in years. Rehash. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 7, 2019 9:57:03 GMT -8
Corvallis airport is world class. Should be a recruiting tool!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 10:08:16 GMT -8
Corvallis airport is world class. Should be a recruiting tool! i betcha Mahlon Sweet Airport is a shorter average commute time from Reser than at least half the other pac 12 schools from their normal airport. 30-40 minutes isnt that big a deal. It takes 20 minutes to drive to Mahlon Sweet from Autzen. 20-25 minute difference? People should just shut up about this already. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 7, 2019 10:14:27 GMT -8
BSU was lucky to beat Marshall at home last night.
Seems that BSU has lived a charmed life for the last decade or so. How many times have they seemed to pull out close wins in big games? I think they have actually benefited from playing in the WAC/MWC, and by the faux affirmative action championed by senators and ESPN in the early 2000's. Combine a pretty talented team with a soft schedule, a "little guy been disrespected" mojo in all of their big games, and then put a magnifying glass on it via ESPN and you get DonkU.
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC? Seems like it's better to be a big fish in a smaller pond. I know, for a bunch of reasons it's a non-starter, but there is little doubt that the way the Pac-12 has evolved is not working for OSU very well.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2019 12:07:23 GMT -8
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC?
Pac-12 media rights: $35-40 million per year.
MWC media rights: $1-3 million per year.
Next question.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 7, 2019 13:01:58 GMT -8
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC?
Pac-12 media rights: $35-40 million per year. MWC media rights: $1-3 million per year. Next question. . I thought we were getting less than a million net right now from the PAC 12 network? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2019 13:35:30 GMT -8
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC?
Pac-12 media rights: $35-40 million per year. MWC media rights: $1-3 million per year. Next question. . I thought we were getting less than a million net right now from the PAC 12 network? Looks like last year was 31.3 million average to each school. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2019 14:03:28 GMT -8
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC?
Pac-12 media rights: $35-40 million per year. MWC media rights: $1-3 million per year. Next question. . I thought we were getting less than a million net right now from the PAC 12 network? Pac-12 media rights also include other networks, not just the Pac-12 Network. Underperforming as it may be, the $1+ million Pac-12 Network payout still equals the TV rights payout almost all MWC schools receive from all sources. There are no circumstances where we gain anything by leaving the Pac-12 (unless we join the SEC or Big Ten, of course). Absolutely none. To think otherwise is complete and total idiocy. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 7, 2019 15:34:38 GMT -8
I think the question becomes, would OSU not actually be better off if we downgraded to the MWC?
Pac-12 media rights: $35-40 million per year. MWC media rights: $1-3 million per year. Next question. According to THIS the revenue for OSU in 2018 was $80,712,000 (good for the #51 AD revenue in the country), and our expenses were $88,600,330 to support 17 programs. Boise St has a budget of $48,109,196 (#63 AD revenue in the country), while spending $47,846,748 to support 15 sports. Maybe not as cut and dry as you think? Who's getting more for their money? |
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 7, 2019 15:38:29 GMT -8
The recipe is simple:
- Be the only sports program of any sort - pro or college - within a six hour drive of a metro area with 750k population, guaranteeing that you sell out your 36,000-seat stadium no matter who is visiting.
- Be the only university in that same metro area, guaranteeing a monopoly of local educational philanthropy.
- And be in the state capital, making it easy to lobby for state support, too. Fully 28% of the BSU athletics budget comes from state and institutional support. (It's 12% for OSU.)
- Get into a horrifically bad conference (WAC) filled with second-rate state schools that can't afford soap for the locker room dispensers, so your subsidized team can rack up double-digit win totals year-after-year.
- Play one super-duper exciting New Year's bowl game against a name-brand team that people will forget had a three-loss season, and win it on a trick play in overtime.
- Move on to a better conference, but distract people from noticing that other teams in the conference are as good or better by talking about the historical record and that bowl game that happened 12 years before. With any luck, you can finish with a 10-3 record and a win in the First Responder Bowl, which will get you ranked about #23 in the final polls.
- Schedule as tough of a non-conference schedule as you can, knowing that you have at least eight wins baked into your schedule already. Given that games are scheduled up to a decade in advance, it's almost certain that every few years you'll manage to catch a name program in a down year.
It's simple, but hard to replicate.
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Post by beavheart on Sept 7, 2019 15:45:46 GMT -8
Let me be clear. I AM NOT suggesting we leave the Pac-12 for the MWC.
That said, Boise St continues to emphasize how bad of times our football program has fallen to. Doing way more with less.
Whatever they are putting in the water up there is working. And, they still fill up their stadium. We could use a dose of whatever they're doing.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 7, 2019 19:10:34 GMT -8
Boise State does not fill their stadium. Thousands of empty seats in games I watch from there.
Boise is not doing "more with less." Their resources for football are considerably higher than almost every single team in the MWC.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 7, 2019 19:10:40 GMT -8
Let me be clear. I AM NOT suggesting we leave the Pac-12 for the MWC. That said, Boise St continues to emphasize how bad of times our football program has fallen to. Doing way more with less. Whatever they are putting in the water up there is working. And, they still fill up their stadium. We could use a dose of whatever they're doing. Folks with this thought process are tough to reason with. BSU is doing far less with less. Yep they get ranked, win a conference, win a bowl, even a surprise "elite" win... BUT Whatever pluses you state is because of the conferences they were/are in. They'd averaging 4-7 wins playing a Pac10/Pac12 schedule and scheduling their additional softies. Their recruits wouldn't look so hot vs consistent 4/5* talent. BSU also has an inferior academic profile and entrance requirements Without naming names I can tell you two of their former stars didn't qualify at OSU. PS- if BSU had the football world by the tail their coaches would have never left. They've done great for who they are. But, make no mistake comparing what they are like to what they would be if they were playing in the Pac12 (which they can't) is foolish. |
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