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Post by beaver24 on Nov 5, 2015 13:04:28 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything yet to convince me that there is hope for the future, regardless of who the coach is. Am I enjoying this season? Darn right I am, because six times this year I get to tailgate with my friends and family, just like I do every other year, regardless of the outcome of the games. I get that there's optimism because we have new leadership, but the bottom line is that we went to 8 bowl games in 11 years under Riley. I don't think things were as bad as people seem to remember them. We were within one game of the Rose Bowl twice. No, we never got there. Cal hasn't been there since 1959. Indiana since 1968. Minnesota 1962. Iowa 1991. Arizona has never been. Purdue and Northwestern have only been twice in their history. It's a lot more difficult to get there than I think a lot of people are willing to admit. Things were "good" not great from 2003-2009. From 2010-2014 OSU was not a good team, with the exception of the 2012 team. Riley's last two years at OSU were bad, horribly bad. The recruiting, the in game management, play calling, etc. All bad. And if that wasn't enough, just look at what he's done to Nebraska. Riley did well at OSU, when UW, WSU, UA, UCLA, and Stanford were HORRIBLE teams. Once they started winning, he could not compete with them.
And if you haven't seen anything to convince you that there is hope for the future, I am sorry. It's not obvious on the field in regards to Wins, but you can put a good chunk of that blame on Riley.
This team with Andersen is 2-6 with hope for the future This team with Riley is 1-7 or 2-6 with no hope for the future.
That was my biggest fear when we were doing well there were give me games. Now in a league where Colorado won't be a give me game anymore you need better coaching. |
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Post by jdogge on Nov 5, 2015 13:13:34 GMT -8
I don't want any gimme games. That leads to let downs and the gimme because a major battle or worse -- a loss to a much inferior opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 15:54:19 GMT -8
I was all for the coaching change and am not going to judge this coaching staff solely on this year's w/l record, but the Riley hate is really thick here. "Riley's last two years at OSU were bad, horribly bad." Riley was 12-13 his last two years and there was a point in OSU's history - not that long ago - that that in itself would have made him a god. Last year, yes a "bad" year by Riley standards, we still beat teams that were ranked #20 and #7 at the time. But he doesn't even get credit for that because we now are resorting to the claim that Riley's record was padded with "gimme" wins; but somehow those "gimme" teams are now "tough." I can't help but laugh. We do know that Portland St. beat WSU this year, don't we? And just because Colorado beat us this time around, all of a sudden they are no gimme? What other Pac12 win do they have? Is it them, or is it us that has flipped the results.
nabeav sees nothing on the field that gives him hope for the future. Just looking on what's happening on the field, I'd have to agree with that. Perhaps will see improved recruiting and hopefully come February, we do and we will start seeing how Coach A can bring us back to the top half of the conference. Hopefully, we can eventually get to a place where we won't have to make ourselves feel better because of what is happening in Nebraska.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 5, 2015 16:18:35 GMT -8
I was all for the coaching change and am not going to judge this coaching staff solely on this year's w/l record, but the Riley hate is really thick here. "Riley's last two years at OSU were bad, horribly bad." Riley was 12-13 his last two years and there was a point in OSU's history - not that long ago - that that in itself would have made him a god. Last year, yes a "bad" year by Riley standards, we still beat teams that were ranked #20 and #7 at the time. But he doesn't even get credit for that because we now are resorting to the claim that Riley's record was padded with "gimme" wins; but somehow those "gimme" teams are now "tough." I can't help but laugh. We do know that Portland St. beat WSU this year, don't we? And just because Colorado beat us this time around, all of a sudden they are no gimme? What other Pac12 win do they have? Is it them, or is it us that has flipped the results. nabeav sees nothing on the field that gives him hope for the future. Just looking on what's happening on the field, I'd have to agree with that. Perhaps will see improved recruiting and hopefully come February, we do and we will start seeing how Coach A can bring us back to the top half of the conference. Hopefully, we can eventually get to a place where we won't have to make ourselves feel better because of what is happening in Nebraska. I think it was during the Michigan game that it was mentioned the unranked underdog that beat the most ranked teams the last decade was OSU. Haters gotta hate, and ignore the positives. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 5, 2015 16:36:47 GMT -8
That's my point exactly. On the field, I haven't seen anything (yet) that makes me think we're trending in the right direction. Everyone was so jacked about the new up-tempo offense - we are averaging fewer offensive plays per game this year than last. Before you jump all over me and say "that's because the other team has had the ball so much," know that we're also ALLOWING fewer plays per game than last year. So all in all, you're seeing a slightly slower pace of game than last season. We're averaging 70 yards less a game than 2014. The D has been better, I'll give you that. We give up a whopping 8 yards less per game than last season. The one thing I will give you is that we are averagin two fewer penalties committed per game for 20 fewer yards....but our numbers this year are in line with what we averaged in 2013, so again, I don't think things were as awful as the consensus out there seemed to be. The one thing I keep hearing is how innovative our staff is with recruiting. However, I think it was only three years ago or so that people were so impressed with Riley's staff for flying planes with LED boards over high school games and having an in house DJ at practice....so don't give me the BS line that the old staff wasn't trying new things or not working their tails off on the recruiting trail. Time will tell if Andersen is the all world recruiter people seem to think he is. According to Scout.com's recruiting rankings, Wisconsin in the three years before he was hired had classes ranked 32, 38, and 69 in 2012. They then went 37, 29, 31, so you could make the case they were trending in the right direction, especially considering they went to the Rose Bowl in the three years prior to Andersen's arrival. Of course, their current ranking for the 2016 season, with Paul Chryst at the helm, is 24. OSU's rankings for 2011-14 are 44, 44, 40, and 48. 2015, with the transition to Andersen, they fell to 63. This year, we're ranked 54th currently. Obviously the recruiting period isn't done, and there's plenty of guys out there waiting until they can pick up a hat off a table in front of the cameras....but as of this moment, recruiting isn't noticably better. And OSU has been in the running for some high profile guys before - guys like Odighizuwa and Kenny Lawler who picked other schools at the end, so I don't buy the idea that Riley quit recruting high profile guys either.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Nov 5, 2015 19:27:57 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything yet to convince me that there is hope for the future, regardless of who the coach is. Am I enjoying this season? Darn right I am, because six times this year I get to tailgate with my friends and family, just like I do every other year, regardless of the outcome of the games. I get that there's optimism because we have new leadership, but the bottom line is that we went to 8 bowl games in 11 years under Riley. I don't think things were as bad as people seem to remember them. We were within one game of the Rose Bowl twice. No, we never got there. Cal hasn't been there since 1959. Indiana since 1968. Minnesota 1962. Iowa 1991. Arizona has never been. Purdue and Northwestern have only been twice in their history. It's a lot more difficult to get there than I think a lot of people are willing to admit. You can think what you want..... The two years we were "one game away from Rose Bowl"..... We stood no chance. fools gold. the Alamo Bowl was a good postseason. Till they screwed that game..... Texas fans were even wondering how they won.... They just want to beat OU.... "HOOK EM HORNS".... other than that.... If you want to talk bowl games.... And are satisfied with El Paso, LV, etc.... good on you. Think what most folk want is something more than a 6-6 or 7-5 bowl. Riley is a good guy. Decent coach. It just wore old and we were never going to progress continuing his program. Nothing against him. Yes. Things needed to change. Have patience. Coach A knows what he's doing. |
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Nov 5, 2015 19:51:13 GMT -8
If your barometer for success 8 games into year 1 of a new coaching regime is yards per game, penalties per game and scout recruiting rankings then there really is no hope.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 5, 2015 20:03:29 GMT -8
What should my barometer for success be then? Wins and Losses? Changing the culture? If that's the case, then do we need to view Riley's first season at Nebraska as a success since he's turning the culture around from one ruled by anger and a complete lack of respect for the core values of Nebraska football?
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Nov 5, 2015 20:10:57 GMT -8
There's the forest and then there's the trees...
There's bringing a knife to a gunfight because the cupboard was bare... But if it''s yards per game that is your be all/end all, then by all means..
Me personally - I see a team of freshman and sophomores trying to learn a new system that was a complete 180 from the old system. So I guess I'll be patient. But that's me.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 5, 2015 20:35:06 GMT -8
Me personally - I see a team of freshman and sophomores trying to learn a new system that was a complete 180 from the old system. So I guess I'll be patient. But that's me. I'm not saying Andersen should be fired at all. That would be pretty hypocritical of me as a guy who wanted Riley to stick around, wouldn't it? He should get (and deserves) a few more years. However, I don't think me saying that this season has been disappointing is unfair at all. My issue (and this isn't an issue with any one person in particular) is that Riley seems to be judged as a coach on the last few years of his tenure rather than the whole of his career. We look at his lack of an appearance in a Rose Bowl game as if he failed. In the last 13 years, only three Pac-12 schools have played in the Rose Bowl: Oregon, USC, and Stanford. In that same time frame, only five Big 10 teams made it. I just don't get why Riley is looked at as a guy that held us back, rather than helped us get to a place where 8-5 isn't good enough anymore. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 5, 2015 21:12:15 GMT -8
Kill this thread!!!! Beat Ucla!!
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 6, 2015 7:50:47 GMT -8
Kill this thread!!!! Beat Ucla!! Agreed. This thread has run it's course. But, will posters move on or will it keep going? |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 6, 2015 10:06:39 GMT -8
Kill this thread!!!! Beat Ucla!! Agreed. This thread has run it's course. But, will posters move on or will it keep going? Only the strong will survive. GO BEAVS! |
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