lefty
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Post by lefty on Dec 25, 2023 12:35:17 GMT -8
The 2023 Sun Bowl is an extension of this year and should be played by this year's team and not as a scrimmage of nest years team. I am appalled by the players opting out that showed no loyalty to their teammates, coaches or fans that have supported them. It seriously challenges my support of the program. The 2023 season is still being played!!
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 12:38:12 GMT -8
Both of those examples are opportunities at a championship. Bowl games are nothing. Both of those examples are postseason play, as are bowl games. Individuals opting to not play in any game in any sport are individuals who are quitting their team and abandoning their teammates, plain and simple. Well, have fun dealing with the reality of college football. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 25, 2023 12:44:19 GMT -8
The 2023 Sun Bowl is an extension of this year and should be played by this year's team and not as a scrimmage of nest years team. I am appalled by the players opting out that showed no loyalty to their teammates, coaches or fans that have supported them. It seriously challenges my support of the program. The 2023 season is still being played!! So you'd be cool with kids playing the bowl games and announcing for the transfer portal when they get off the bus in Corvallis a day or two later? My guess is the coaches; and maybe the players that stay, would prefer those who are going elsewhere not play in the bowl. |
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 25, 2023 13:59:30 GMT -8
The 2023 Sun Bowl is an extension of this year and should be played by this year's team and not as a scrimmage of nest years team. I am appalled by the players opting out that showed no loyalty to their teammates, coaches or fans that have supported them. It seriously challenges my support of the program. The 2023 season is still being played!! You and I are on same page, Lefty. I'm sick of it, and yeah it's pushing me away as a fan. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 25, 2023 14:32:30 GMT -8
The 2023 Sun Bowl is an extension of this year and should be played by this year's team and not as a scrimmage of nest years team. I am appalled by the players opting out that showed no loyalty to their teammates, coaches or fans that have supported them. It seriously challenges my support of the program. The 2023 season is still being played!! So, criticize the players for opting out, but it's OK for you to bail? Would I rather they play? Certainly but I have no idea what is going on in their lives or what their motivation may be. Not my concern. I do know I'll support the ones who show up to play. And I be back in 2024 to support the Beavers, whoever they are playing or in whatever league they're playing in. |
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Post by hometownbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 15:02:37 GMT -8
Seems to me, in a NIL contract, there should be a stipulation that such NIL participant cannot opt-out of a Bowl game, but that's just old-school me. You would think right. Like hey million dollar QB play the full season or your a 10k kiddo |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 15:06:24 GMT -8
The university does not own or employ them. Owning is slavery which has been illegal for awhile and universities have done everything they can to prevent classification as employees or profit sharing.
If they can get better offers they absolute should consider them and leverage any offer to improve their position. If we lose them due to money, path to career football or for a better perceived experience that's the universities fault for not being competitive.
They wanted free market so here it is. Y'all gonna stay at a job if you can get paid double or triple for the same responsibility? Only if you love it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 16:23:39 GMT -8
The university does not own or employ them. Owning is slavery which has been illegal for awhile and universities have done everything they can to prevent classification as employees or profit sharing. If they can get better offers they absolute should consider them and leverage any offer to improve their position. If we lose them due to money, path to career football or for a better perceived experience that's the universities fault for not being competitive. They wanted free market so here it is. Y'all gonna stay at a job if you can get paid double or triple for the same responsibility? Only if you love it. Fun fact: Oregon was the 28th and final state to ratify the 13th Amendment before it became the law of the land on December 18, 1865. States which ratified the 13th Amendment after December 18, 1865: California December 19, 1865
Iowa January 15, 1866
New Jersey January 23, 1866
Florida June 9, 1868
Texas February 18, 1870
Delaware February 12, 1901 (Lincoln's Birthday)
Kentucky March 18, 1976
Mississippi February 7, 2013
It should be noted that Mississippi had voted to ratify the 13th Amendment on March 16, 1995, but failed to send the ratification to the Federal government until 2013 to actually effectuate the vote to ratify.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2023 16:29:22 GMT -8
The university does not own or employ them. Owning is slavery which has been illegal for awhile and universities have done everything they can to prevent classification as employees or profit sharing. If they can get better offers they absolute should consider them and leverage any offer to improve their position. If we lose them due to money, path to career football or for a better perceived experience that's the universities fault for not being competitive. They wanted free market so here it is. Y'all gonna stay at a job if you can get paid double or triple for the same responsibility? Only if you love it. Fun fact: Oregon was the 28th and final state to ratify the 13th Amendment before it became the law of the land on December 18, 1865. States which ratified the 13th Amendment after December 18, 1865: California December 19, 1865
Iowa January 15, 1866
New Jersey January 23, 1866
Florida June 9, 1868
Texas February 18, 1870
Delaware February 12, 1901 (Lincoln's Birthday)
Kentucky March 18, 1976
Mississippi February 7, 2013
It should be noted that Mississippi had voted to ratify the 13th Amendment on March 16, 1995, but failed to send the ratification to the Federal government until 2013 to actually effectuate the vote to ratify.
135 years would have been alot better than 153 years, nice work MS. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 17:10:30 GMT -8
Fun fact: Oregon was the 28th and final state to ratify the 13th Amendment before it became the law of the land on December 18, 1865. States which ratified the 13th Amendment after December 18, 1865: California December 19, 1865
Iowa January 15, 1866
New Jersey January 23, 1866
Florida June 9, 1868
Texas February 18, 1870
Delaware February 12, 1901 (Lincoln's Birthday)
Kentucky March 18, 1976
Mississippi February 7, 2013
It should be noted that Mississippi had voted to ratify the 13th Amendment on March 16, 1995, but failed to send the ratification to the Federal government until 2013 to actually effectuate the vote to ratify.
135 years would have been a lot better than 153 years, nice work MS. Technically, Mississippi would have had to to ratify the 13th Amendment in order to rejoin the Union, but their Republican-dominated state government never actually got around to it. Mississippi was allowed to rejoin the Union on February 23, 1870, after Texas ratified the 13th Amendment, the last major known holdout, i.e. the Federal government was so concentrated on Texas ratifying the 13th Amendment that they seem to have forgotten that Mississippi never had. Mississippi was the ninth Confederate state to rejoin the Union with only Texas and Georgia lagging behind. Mississippi was still dominated by Republicans until the election of 1875 (Mississippi holds most state elections on odd years and has for more than 145 years). Afterwards, Mississippi basically became a one-party white Democratic-dominated state. Mississippi Democrats amended their Constitution in 1890 to try and insure that Republicans would never seriously challenge them again, largely disarming (denying the right to own firearms) and disenfranchising (denying the right to vote) the poor. The Republican Party in Mississippi basically had to be reestablished in 1956. Democrats continued to dominate local elections for the next 35 years, but Republicans began to dominate national elections earlier. Mississippi's first Republican Governor since 1876 was Kirk Fordice in 1992, and the 13th Amendment was ratified during his first four-year term. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 25, 2023 17:16:51 GMT -8
The 2023 Sun Bowl is an extension of this year and should be played by this year's team and not as a scrimmage of nest years team. I am appalled by the players opting out that showed no loyalty to their teammates, coaches or fans that have supported them. It seriously challenges my support of the program. The 2023 season is still being played!! So, criticize the players for opting out, but it's OK for you to bail? Would I rather they play? Certainly but I have no idea what is going on in their lives or what their motivation may be. Not my concern. I do know I'll support the ones who show up to play. And I be back in 2024 to support the Beavers, whoever they are playing or in whatever league they're playing in. I think lefty was simply airing frustration.
Of course, there are only two options for us fans: either take your perspective and support our team or just not pay attention to the bowl games. I think both options are viable. Certainly, the way bowls are now is not the best for the fan, who spent a season rooting for one team only to have a very different team in the bowl game.
But the NCAA knows that most people will still pay money to support their team (of unknown players) in the bowl game. They get their money either way.
It's easy to be cynical about the whole thing after the Fall of the Pac 12. Money is all that matters, it seems.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 25, 2023 17:41:28 GMT -8
135 years would have been a lot better than 153 years, nice work MS. Technically, Mississippi would have had to to ratify the 13th Amendment in order to rejoin the Union, but their Republican-dominated state government never actually got around to it. Mississippi was allowed to rejoin the Union on February 23, 1870, after Texas ratified the 13th Amendment, the last major known holdout, i.e. the Federal government was so concentrated on Texas ratifying the 13th Amendment that they seem to have forgotten that Mississippi never had. Mississippi was the ninth Confederate state to rejoin the Union with only Texas and Georgia lagging behind. Mississippi was still dominated by Republicans until the election of 1875 (Mississippi holds most state elections on odd years and has for more than 145 years). Afterwards, Mississippi basically became a one-party white Democratic-dominated state. Mississippi Democrats amended their Constitution in 1890 to try and insure that Republicans would never seriously challenge them again, largely disarming (denying the right to own firearms) and disenfranchising (denying the right to vote) the poor. The Republican Party in Mississippi basically had to be reestablished in 1956. Democrats continued to dominate local elections for the next 35 years, but Republicans began to dominate national elections earlier. Mississippi's first Republican Governor since 1876 was Kirk Fordice in 1992, and the 13th Amendment was ratified during his first four-year term. Just to add to this, Mississippi ratified the 14th and 15th Amendments on January 17, 1870 and became a state again 37 days later. It very well may be that everyone assumed that Mississippi must have passed the 13th Amendment to pass the later two Amendments. Kentucky ratified the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments from March 18-30, 1976, having originally rejected the three back in the 1860s. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 25, 2023 20:40:55 GMT -8
In order to rejoin the union, the former confederate states had to have abolished slavery by state law, which was done. The only 2 slave states that had not done so, and therefore had it outlawed via the 13th amendment, were 2 that had never seceded, Kentucky and Delaware.
After the requisite number of states ratify any amendment. it becomes the law of the land. Doesn't matter what the others do or don't do.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 25, 2023 21:04:04 GMT -8
The NCAA has no involvement in bowl games, other than certifying them. Bowls are run by ESPN, or the local organizing committee, or the CFP, or some combination of the aforementioned.
The NCAA isn't perfect, but it gets blamed for a lot of stuff it has absolutely nothing to do with. Like the CFP, or bowl games.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 25, 2023 21:21:03 GMT -8
The NCAA has no involvement in bowl games, other than certifying them. Bowls are run by ESPN, or the local organizing committee, or the CFP, or some combination of the aforementioned. The NCAA isn't perfect, but it gets blamed for a lot of stuff it has absolutely nothing to do with. Like the CFP, or bowl games. Which has been mentioned numerous times, by numerous people over the years. Just like there has never been a NCAA D1 (FBS) football champion. Polls, Bowl Coilition, Bowl Alliance, BCS, CFP, etc.. all BS. What the NCAA can be blamed for is letting it happen and not creating and running a D1 (FBS) championship with extra bowl games. Wouldn't be perfect, but could see it being worse than all the money being pocketed by bowl organizations. If players want bigger piece, have them go after bowl games! |
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