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Post by grayman on Dec 27, 2023 11:08:00 GMT -8
Yes, but that's just your opinion. Other fans want to watch other games. ESPN gets plenty of viewers and ad revenue for broadcasting the bowls. That's why it has so many of them. If the ratings start to falter because more and more teams begin to lose a big chunk of the starting lineup then things will adjust accordingly. I mean, I think I was pretty clear to state that it was just my opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is representative of all or even most college football fans. But simple logic dictates that it is probably not a unique data point, and my conjecture is that this is a developing trend. You're free to disagree of course.. but you would be wrong. lol jk I agree with your last sentence, I'm just saying that I think it's more of an "inevitability" and you seem to see it as just a "possiblity". Yeah, saying "just your opinion" might have come across as a little aggressive on my part. My point is that you choose what you want as a fan but a lot of other fans choose to watch other bowls or even a lot of the bowls. Up until this point, that has been enough to keep the bowls going strong. But yeah, it might not be enough if players keep skipping out.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 27, 2023 11:09:28 GMT -8
I look at the depth chart for Sun Bowl and don't understand all the fuss. Just like during the regular season some starters will be out, plenty are playing. There looks to be plenty of starting experience and leadership on the field. Hungry, talented, backups will be in good company to show what they can do.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 27, 2023 11:16:37 GMT -8
If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference. I also see that it's going to affect ratings, to add on to your comment about the patience and loyalty of fans being tested. It's also going to test the interest of casual fans, who don't feel like it's worth tuning in to see all the stars of the team sitting out. I mean... I'm one of them. I just looked on ESPN, there have been 19 bowl games played already, to my absolute shock. I haven't seen a single one, and the first one that looks remotely interesting is Oklahoma-Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. I can't be the only one that feels this way. All NCAA game get recorded on my system so I watch when I can. I haven't had the time to see them all. Ability to FFW through commercials and halftime allowed me to see quite a few though. Watched Air Force vs JMU last night and found it a very entertaining game.
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Post by grayman on Dec 27, 2023 11:17:17 GMT -8
I look at the depth chart for Sun Bowl and don't understand all the fuss. Just like during the regular season some starters will be out, plenty are playing. There looks to be plenty of starting experience and leadership on the field. Hungry, talented, backups will be in good company to show what they can do. The OL and QB situations are completely different. No starting TE, no starting RB, no Gould at WR. The defense looks to be in better shape for the game but both starting ILBs are gone and a chunk of the secondary. The positive is that OSU is not facing the same Notre Dame team that went 9-3 in the regular season. My major concern is how well will OSU's OL be able to hold up throughout the game. If the Beavers do well up front, Gulbranson should be able to play well.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 27, 2023 12:22:20 GMT -8
The rules preclude it. NIL isn't a "bonus", or have bonuses. It's a service contract outside of the playing field and university. It's pay to play as soon as you tie it to playing. And, the OSU NIL coordinator would declare the player ineligible and the NIL would be gone. NIL has zero to do with playing in games as far as what is allowed. If that was allowed you then would see "bonuses" like coaches get... wins, titles, stats, awards, etc. You can tie the value to anything you'd like. But, NIL can't be based on games played. But NIL can be based on still being on the team, can't it? You get injured or are redshirted, you're still part of the team. You refuse to participate in practice or play in any remaining games, you've quit the team. First, if a player is not longer a member of the team is a issue for the NIL and the player contract. Not OSU. People keep thinking the NIL is like a weekly paycheck. The vast majority of players (who actually get a NIL deal) get (4) figures for some type of appearance or sponsorship of an event or personal appearance, and proceeds from stuff like apparel sales. Most of the $ are doled out in a lump sum unless based on sales. Under the rules I've seen opting out of an "extra" exhibition game does not forfeit the scholarship for the remainder of the semester. Hence, they are still a scholarship player as long as they are academically eligible and not in the portal. So, technically a member of a team. But, again playing in games can't be tied to NIL $. If a NIL deal specified playing time details including bowl games the contract would be tossed by the school overview as invalid. The NIL would then be reported in violation and risk losing all association with that school. It is the "wild west" in some regards... but, in terms on legal, tax, and other specifics NIL organizations and contracts are monitored.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 27, 2023 12:26:50 GMT -8
I look at the depth chart for Sun Bowl and don't understand all the fuss. Just like during the regular season some starters will be out, plenty are playing. There looks to be plenty of starting experience and leadership on the field. Hungry, talented, backups will be in good company to show what they can do. The OL and QB situations are completely different. No starting TE, no starting RB, no Gould at WR. The defense looks to be in better shape for the game but both starting ILBs are gone and a chunk of the secondary. The positive is that OSU is not facing the same Notre Dame team that went 9-3 in the regular season. My major concern is how well will OSU's OL be able to hold up throughout the game. If the Beavers do well up front, Gulbranson should be able to play well. Surprise surprise... a glass half empty approach. The kids out there worked their asses off the entire season and are still here to rep OSU. It's a effing bowl game. At time there is more to athletics than just winning. Trying cheering on the guys that are there instead of hedging your bets on an outcome. It's not like you expect anything but the worst anyway. PS... EVERY team in the B12 and ACC have fan boards. Your fantasy seems to be part of one or both of those conferences. Feel free.
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Post by grayman on Dec 27, 2023 12:42:57 GMT -8
The OL and QB situations are completely different. No starting TE, no starting RB, no Gould at WR. The defense looks to be in better shape for the game but both starting ILBs are gone and a chunk of the secondary. The positive is that OSU is not facing the same Notre Dame team that went 9-3 in the regular season. My major concern is how well will OSU's OL be able to hold up throughout the game. If the Beavers do well up front, Gulbranson should be able to play well. Surprise surprise... a glass half empty approach. The kids out there worked their asses off the entire season and are still here to rep OSU. It's a effing bowl game. At time there is more to athletics than just winning. Trying cheering on the guys that are there instead of hedging your bets on an outcome. It's not like you expect anything but the worst anyway. PS... EVERY team in the B12 and ACC have fan boards. Your fantasy seems to be part of one or both of those conferences. Feel free. I will watch the game and support the Beavers. I don't know what to expect in the game. What I do know are based on the facts that I posted. That is the reality for OSU going into the game. Notre Dame has also lost a bunch of players as I alluded to in my post. I have no interest in other teams in the Big 12 or ACC, nor will I read those fan boards if OSU ends up in one of those conferences (Not that I ever wanted OSU to join the ACC in its current form anyway).
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