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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 18:52:56 GMT -8
"Bet you're the 1st passenger screaming "we're all gonna die" the 1st time the plane hits some minor turbulence." Ah there is the guy who failed freshman year!!! So glad you could add your mature 2 "sense"... I see some of the losers from PO stumbled there way here! So read carefully... concern, red flag = something to be watched... we've been down roads where this red flag was ignored by all, fans and admin until it was too late. I support this staff and all who know football knew it was time for new blodd, but it does not mean you can't voice concern. Very "uck like" post... congrats! Ah there's the guy who sprained both ankles from backpeddling. You don't support this staff. "Red Flag" verbage is alarmist You're the one exhibiting a lack of maturity in your OP. Own it. I can understand why you're defensive when you're called out for playing the Fred MacMurray part in the Caine Mutiny. At least have the balls to admit you don't support the staff and are wetting your pants half a season into a major transition. This team was going to win 3 games max if MR and staff had stayed. As for "losers from PO", there are losers on every message board and you're the proof. |
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Post by beav2007 on Oct 26, 2015 20:57:28 GMT -8
The sky is falling!!!  I'll never give up on the Beavs. I'm also not ready to give up on this coach, and tbh I think it's a little soon for any of you to be giving up too. Change is hard. Mike Riley was at OSU a long time. The Pac 12 is stronger than it was a few years ago. Give Andersen at least next year before you start to mutiny. There are at least 2 sides to every story, and as mere message board posters, there's a lot we don't know. TL;DR: callate. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 27, 2015 6:59:34 GMT -8
The last couple posts are pure message board "gold"... read into posts what you like and then make whatever idiotic assumption that you think makes you look intelligent.
"red flag... if MR had stayed..." as defined/determined by you... LMAO Nothing worse than someone who thinks they have all the answers... look in the mirror, "alarmist" LOL. As always, never get in a battle of wits dude when you are out of ammo. I support each of the Beaver staffs until the school does not. However, "support" (again must we define that in your ludicrous way? LOL) does not mean you can question or be concerned. In fact, is that not why Crowton was brought aboard??? There were concerns and questioning needed concerning our offense? Hello??? Crickets...
As for "sky is falling... mutiny"... never read any posts, including mine, that even raised a hint of that belief.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 27, 2015 7:40:47 GMT -8
please keep things civil and no ad hominem
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 9:03:31 GMT -8
The fact we have a lot of freshmen actually playing significant time this season should account for most of the frustration on the part of everyone I think.
It is a huge step forward from high-school level play to college-level play. If we had a significant cast of seniors and juniors playing that the frosh and sophs could learn from we would likely be in a better situation, but for whatever reasons we simply don't have enough experienced talented upper classmen able to both play well and teach underclassmen how to do the same.
I am surprised and saddened by the poor performances we have turned in so far this year but am hopefully that next year will be significantly better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 10:50:13 GMT -8
The fact we have a lot of freshmen actually playing significant time this season should account for most of the frustration on the part of everyone I think. It is a huge step forward from high-school level play to college-level play. If we had a significant cast of seniors and juniors playing that the frosh and sophs could learn from we would likely be in a better situation, but for whatever reasons we simply don't have enough experienced talented upper classmen able to both play well and teach underclassmen how to do the same. I am surprised and saddened by the poor performances we have turned in so far this year but am hopefully that next year will be significantly better. I think that's a really good point. The 1966 team improved from a 1-3 start to a 7-3 final record. Andros explained the team growth as a result of exactly what you're describing. That team had great senior and sophomore classes (freshmen weren't eligible and redshirting hadn't come into wide practice yet). Small classes, whether as a result of academic attrition/misconduct issues, athletic attrition, or early professional departure, create problems. Not only is leadership lacking but a small class begets another small class thanks to the scholarship limits. |
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Post by beav2007 on Oct 27, 2015 12:16:00 GMT -8
The fact we have a lot of freshmen actually playing significant time this season should account for most of the frustration on the part of everyone I think. It is a huge step forward from high-school level play to college-level play. If we had a significant cast of seniors and juniors playing that the frosh and sophs could learn from we would likely be in a better situation, but for whatever reasons we simply don't have enough experienced talented upper classmen able to both play well and teach underclassmen how to do the same. I am surprised and saddened by the poor performances we have turned in so far this year but am hopefully that next year will be significantly better. Yep, a lot of factors culminating. This year is really rough, I'm frustrated to not be more excited about the games than I currently am, but I have hope, patience, the will to continue buying season tickets, and a voice that carries when the opposition is on 3rd down |
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Post by nabeav on Oct 27, 2015 12:50:59 GMT -8
Aside from Ryan Nall, I don't think I've seen one thing that excites me about the future of OSU football right now. I'm not ready to write off the entire Gary Andersen era yet - as many people have mentioned, he doesn't have all his recruits in yet - but when everyone agrees that the best option at quarterback is a walk-on redshirt who averaged less than 200 ypg passing, I'm a bit skeptical. On the positive side, he did average 5.5 yards per rush, so that's pretty good. Oh wait...it's actually 5.5 yards per GAME. That doesn't exactly sound like he's gonna beat people with his legs, arm, and mind either. And please don't jump to conclusions that I think Gary Andersen is a bad coach and this isn't going to work out eventually. I'm just saying that I haven't really seen anything yet to convince me that he is the answer. He had a couple good years at Utah State that ended with prestigious Idaho Potato Bowls. He took a Wisconsin team that had been to three straight Rose Bowls and let them to....one division title, in what most people would consider the weakest division in the major conferences (Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, and Purdue). I too will still be buying my season tickets and pulling hard for the Beavs, but I don't feel the connection to the program I felt when Riley was the coach just yet.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 27, 2015 14:27:37 GMT -8
Aside from Ryan Nall, I don't think I've seen one thing that excites me about the future of OSU football right now. there are more exciting players IMHO: Villiman is a future pro/ Mageo is good Guyton could end up huge (minus pushing off) our punter is great minus his one ad-lib, collins is great rusher would be interesting to hear the thoughts of some of the other guys that have been around awhile and their thoughts: Moevao, Bernard, Dorian Smith, Kevin Cummings, coach brennan I don't think we'll be bottom feeders that long. Wish a few of our commits didn't go on missions we could use them next year with some experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 14:33:58 GMT -8
Aside from Ryan Nall, I don't think I've seen one thing that excites me about the future of OSU football right now. I'm not ready to write off the entire Gary Andersen era yet - as many people have mentioned, he doesn't have all his recruits in yet - but when everyone agrees that the best option at quarterback is a walk-on redshirt who averaged less than 200 ypg passing, I'm a bit skeptical. On the positive side, he did average 5.5 yards per rush, so that's pretty good. Oh wait...it's actually 5.5 yards per GAME. That doesn't exactly sound like he's gonna beat people with his legs, arm, and mind either. And please don't jump to conclusions that I think Gary Andersen is a bad coach and this isn't going to work out eventually. I'm just saying that I haven't really seen anything yet to convince me that he is the answer. He had a couple good years at Utah State that ended with prestigious Idaho Potato Bowls. He took a Wisconsin team that had been to three straight Rose Bowls and let them to....one division title, in what most people would consider the weakest division in the major conferences (Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, and Purdue). I too will still be buying my season tickets and pulling hard for the Beavs, but I don't feel the connection to the program I felt when Riley was the coach just yet. I assume you're referring to Garretson. I don't know where the "Everyone agrees" comes from. I certainly don't consider him, or any pure pocket passer, the answer. I envision the possibility of him getting some reps next year if the staff determines the vertical passing game is something it wants to work on. I'm not ruling out multiple QBs situationally until the right guy is either found or develops. I don't know about "Excites me," but Oregon State has a lot of freshmen that I think can be good players: Nall, Guyton, Sands, Lucas, Togiai, Vakameilalo, Collins. What I find discouraging is Oregon State isn't very close in the four areas that Andersen thinks are essential to being competitive in conference: 1.) High level QB play; 2.) Dominant running back or two; 3.) Pass rush; 4.) Dominant corners. I don't see anybody on the current roster who fits any of this with the possible exception of Nall. Maybe DeCoud if we'd gotten him earlier. |
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Post by nabeav on Oct 27, 2015 15:47:22 GMT -8
With regards to Garretson - by "everyone" I was referring to mostly what I've read and heard in the media. They all seem to think that he's the best option we have going forward.
The freshmen do have potential, but my point was that I haven't seen anything tangible with my own eyes out of any of them other than Nall. People were super excited for Caleb Smith when he was a freshman, but despite all his physical attributes, he'll largely go down in Beaver lore as "that one guy who got all the false starts."
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Post by mrazz on Oct 27, 2015 17:10:46 GMT -8
I was excited to see what we would do this season. I'm not so excited about the results thus far... I do know two things for sure: I was not renewing my season tickets this year until I heard about the coaching change (I like Mike Riley, but I couldn't take another season like the last several from anywhere but my couch); I will renew my season tickets for next year because one season is not enough to evaluate this staff. There is a lot of wailing, moaning and gnashing of teeth on here...I will take that as a positive (at least we all haven't walked away).
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Post by mountainbeaver on Oct 28, 2015 8:14:32 GMT -8
If you take the orange colored glasses off and look at this season objectively our struggles are
quite predictable. If another pac-12 team coming off a lousy season like we had last year was
going to start a freshman qb and a ton of new starters off of a mediocre defense, we'd all say that
they were clearly going to be bad this year. Well, here we are. Add to that the fact we're going to completely
different schemes and you have a recipe for a rough year or two. Most of us have longed to have a mobile
qb for years. I'm not surprised there's been some acrimony, and won't be surprised if a few more players
leave who aren't all in. That's the price for a major change. I'm all in with coach A and crew. At this point in
the rebuild I think you have to try and find the bright spots in the process and realize that the W's will come
if we execute our vision over time. I for one, want to see how this vision plays out. I also expect that with experience
and more depth we'll begin to step out of the abyss next year. This ain't going to be easy, but I do believe better days
will come from this years struggles.
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Post by rafer on Oct 28, 2015 8:57:15 GMT -8
If you take the orange colored glasses off and look at this season objectively our struggles are quite predictable. If another pac-12 team coming off a lousy season like we had last year was going to start a freshman qb and a ton of new starters off of a mediocre defense, we'd all say that they were clearly going to be bad this year. Well, here we are. Add to that the fact we're going to completely different schemes and you have a recipe for a rough year or two. Most of us have longed to have a mobile qb for years. I'm not surprised there's been some acrimony, and won't be surprised if a few more players leave who aren't all in. That's the price for a major change. I'm all in with coach A and crew. At this point in the rebuild I think you have to try and find the bright spots in the process and realize that the W's will come if we execute our vision over time. I for one, want to see how this vision plays out. I also expect that with experience and more depth we'll begin to step out of the abyss next year. This ain't going to be easy, but I do believe better days will come from this years struggles. |
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Post by rafer on Oct 28, 2015 9:09:45 GMT -8
I think we all can agree that this year is pretty much over, 90+% chance there are no more W's on the horizon. There will be some bright moments and a lot of learning and sorting out the "others" maybe, but as far as the conference, we are where we are, last/12th. Next year no where to go but up but I don't have orange colored glasses, if you'll give me 4 wins next year I'd probably wish for more but accept it, if you say 5 wins, I'd be thrilled. I don't expect this to turn around for at least 3 years, likely 4 years before we are consistently competitive. I hope I'm being too conservative, time will tell I guess. This has been a consistent slide to where we are now, a very weak program, it isn't going to get better over night, and it will try our patience.
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