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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 22, 2023 20:04:52 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 22, 2023 20:10:08 GMT -8
As the dad of an active duty sailor who may be going to Bahrain later this year, I should try to learn something about Iran's navy. Don't get too excited. He said the British like their navy was a big deal anymore. They aren't even top 10 on budget, size or effective power. They are #5 in tonnage at 370k tons. The US has 3.4 million. The US Navy is more powerful than the next 4 combined by conservative estimates. That said we won't ever really know until there's some terrible conflict where everyone uses their new missiles and drones.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 22, 2023 20:13:14 GMT -8
I didn't know this until you said something, but I thought that I would look. It's stuff like this that really chaps my hide. What in holy hell are we doing? Someone should do a FOIA for the bids on this one. This is a huge scandal. Is there anyone in the Oregon media anymore checking on things like this? Why are we paying one of the largest LSU boosters to build a boat more than halfway across the country? How does it get to the Oregon Coast? Who made that call? And do they still have a job? Where is the accountability? We can't build our boat almost anywhere else? Nowhere closer? Ridiculous incompetence! Bollinger is the largest privately owned shipbuilder in the US. Apparently NASSCO out of SanDiego is the only major shipbuilder in the country west of the Mississippi. Odds are there's major college football teams near every shipbuilder capable of building a ship like OSU has ordered. What is one to do, order from Asia? Anyways, from what I'm reading the ships were actually contracted to be built by Gulf Island Shipyard prior to the shipyard being bought out by Bollinger in May of '21. Maybe Bollinger saw that contract and decided they should buy Gulf Island Shipyards because Oregon State might have a worthwhile linebacker to steer to LSU in a couple years? web.uri.edu/gso/news/rcrv-2-project-update/The largest shipbuilders in the United States are General Dynamics and Huntington Ingalls Industries. NASSCO is somehow related to General Dynamics and is bigger than any of the three Bollingers by itself Behind General Dynamics and Huntington, you have Bollinger, Edison Chouest, and Vigor Industrial. Vigor Industrial was based out of Portland up until at least three years ago. If Vigor built it, though, it probably would be built in the Pacific Northwest, as opposed to the Louisiana Bayous. Yeah, I saw that part about Bollinger buying out Gulf Island. I am curious as to how that all worked out but not curious enough about it to delve on it. It looks like the boat is supposed to tour the Caribbean and some Sea Grant Universities in the Southeast before making its way to the West Coast, so maybe it does not matter so much where it was built? I am just annoyed that Bollinger has it now. Government contracts, man.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 22, 2023 21:26:39 GMT -8
As the dad of an active duty sailor who may be going to Bahrain later this year, I should try to learn something about Iran's navy. Don't get too excited. He said the British like their navy was a big deal anymore. They aren't even top 10 on budget, size or effective power. They are #5 in tonnage at 370k tons. The US has 3.4 million. The US Navy is more powerful than the next 4 combined by conservative estimates. That said we won't ever really know until there's some terrible conflict where everyone uses their new missiles and drones. The British are top 10 in effective power. The United States Navy is more larger than the next five in combined tonnage. But numbers can overwhelm technologically superior but less numerous opponents. The Iran-Iraq War is an excellent example of that. Plus, America's navy is dispersed across the world. You probably would be unsuccessful in challenging the United States in a pitched fleet battle, but you may able to defeat the United States in detail by concentrating forces against isolated portions of the fleet, piece by piece. And your last sentence is a big one. I have had conversations with a lot of military people, who believe that missile and drone technology have made navies obsolete in pitched naval warfare. Navies are great in defending against pirate attacks and safeguarding international trade, but they may not matter all that much, considering advancements in the last 75 years in jet, missile, and drone technology.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 22, 2023 22:36:21 GMT -8
Bollinger is the largest privately owned shipbuilder in the US. Apparently NASSCO out of SanDiego is the only major shipbuilder in the country west of the Mississippi. Odds are there's major college football teams near every shipbuilder capable of building a ship like OSU has ordered. What is one to do, order from Asia? Anyways, from what I'm reading the ships were actually contracted to be built by Gulf Island Shipyard prior to the shipyard being bought out by Bollinger in May of '21. Maybe Bollinger saw that contract and decided they should buy Gulf Island Shipyards because Oregon State might have a worthwhile linebacker to steer to LSU in a couple years? web.uri.edu/gso/news/rcrv-2-project-update/The largest shipbuilders in the United States are General Dynamics and Huntington Ingalls Industries. NASSCO is somehow related to General Dynamics and is bigger than any of the three Bollingers by itself Behind General Dynamics and Huntington, you have Bollinger, Edison Chouest, and Vigor Industrial. Vigor Industrial was based out of Portland up until at least three years ago. If Vigor built it, though, it probably would be built in the Pacific Northwest, as opposed to the Louisiana Bayous. Yeah, I saw that part about Bollinger buying out Gulf Island. I am curious as to how that all worked out but not curious enough about it to delve on it. It looks like the boat is supposed to tour the Caribbean and some Sea Grant Universities in the Southeast before making its way to the West Coast, so maybe it does not matter so much where it was built? I am just annoyed that Bollinger has it now. Government contracts, man. In the 2002 - 2004 range a colleague of mine was the consultant project manager for ODOT replacing the Wheatland ferry. I know the marine architect was based out of southern California. I'm not sure where the ferry was actually manufactured but I know it was not local and I think it was Texas or Louisiana.
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Post by rob85 on Jan 23, 2023 1:39:12 GMT -8
Where does Wheatland's navy rank in tonnage and effective power? Could they be a successful deterrent to Iran's imminent invasion?
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Post by korculabeav on Jan 23, 2023 5:07:01 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 23, 2023 6:20:52 GMT -8
Opened up the last page here to find some kind of naval banter.....really got off into the weeds
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Post by grackle on Jan 23, 2023 7:55:50 GMT -8
WTF is going on here??? If you really feel that you must post about navies, army, space forces, etc., then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
I want to learn about Beaver FB prospects for 2023. Not total tonnage for the Lower Slobovian navy. Sheeesh.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 23, 2023 8:09:58 GMT -8
WTF is going on here??? If you really feel that you must post about navies, army, space forces, etc., then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! I want to learn about Beaver FB prospects for 2023. Not total tonnage for the Lower Slobovian navy. Sheeesh. Probably not many additions to the 2023 class now. The 2024 class has 67 prospects at an estimated average weight of 230 lbs. The total tonnage of the 2024 prospect list currently sits at nearly 8 tons. This puts it slightly behind the smallest recognized navy in the world. Estonia at approximately 10 tons.
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Post by grackle on Jan 23, 2023 8:24:29 GMT -8
WTF is going on here??? If you really feel that you must post about navies, army, space forces, etc., then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! I want to learn about Beaver FB prospects for 2023. Not total tonnage for the Lower Slobovian navy. Sheeesh. Probably not many additions to the 2023 class now. The 2024 class has 67 prospects at an estimated average weight of 230 lbs. The total tonnage of the 2024 prospect list currently sits at nearly 8 tons. This puts it slightly behind the smallest recognized navy in the world. Estonia at approximately 10 tons. Everyone's a comedian. Aaarrrggghhh....
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Post by seastape on Jan 23, 2023 11:23:29 GMT -8
If you had asked me who has the 5th largest navy in the world by vessel count I don't think I would have answered "Colombia" in 100 years.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 23, 2023 12:49:48 GMT -8
If you had asked me who has the 5th largest navy in the world by vessel count I don't think I would have answered "Colombia" in 100 years. Colombia basically has been in a 50+ year civil war against an assortment of Communists, extreme leftwing terrorists, and their drug lord allies. That civil war is supposed to be dying down but which seems to flare up every couple of years. Up until around five years ago, Ecuador was basically actively fighting Colombia through proxies in Colombia's Civil War. Colombia borders the most unstable country in the region in Venezuela and does not really have a border that each side 100% agrees with. To the North, Nicaragua is a heavy leftwing government, which is basically an ally of Venezuela. And neither Colombia nor Nicaragua can agree on who owns various islands in the Caribbean Sea. Basically, up until five years ago, Colombia was surrounded by a hostile and allied Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, with border crises with two of those three, while simultaneously coordinating with Peru to fight their overlapping civil wars, largely funded by Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. The fact that China and Russia seem to be pouring a ton of material and money into Nicaragua and Venezuela does not help the situation. The situation is one of those powder kegs that no one seems to want to talk about or address.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 23, 2023 13:35:39 GMT -8
I didn't know this until you said something, but I thought that I would look. It's stuff like this that really chaps my hide. What in holy hell are we doing? Someone should do a FOIA for the bids on this one. This is a huge scandal. Is there anyone in the Oregon media anymore checking on things like this? Why are we paying one of the largest LSU boosters to build a boat more than halfway across the country? How does it get to the Oregon Coast? Who made that call? And do they still have a job? Where is the accountability? We can't build our boat almost anywhere else? Nowhere closer? Ridiculous incompetence! Bollinger is the largest privately owned shipbuilder in the US. Apparently NASSCO out of SanDiego is the only major shipbuilder in the country west of the Mississippi. Odds are there's major college football teams near every shipbuilder capable of building a ship like OSU has ordered. What is one to do, order from Asia? Anyways, from what I'm reading the ships were actually contracted to be built by Gulf Island Shipyard prior to the shipyard being bought out by Bollinger in May of '21. Maybe Bollinger saw that contract and decided they should buy Gulf Island Shipyards because Oregon State might have a worthwhile linebacker to steer to LSU in a couple years? web.uri.edu/gso/news/rcrv-2-project-update/I wasn't suggesting any nefarious activity took place. The fact Bollinger, as Wilky pointed out, is ran by a former LSU Tiger Oline great by the same name, who happens to be a big LSU donor, and his company happens to be working on a several hundred million dollar ship build for OSU is one of those, fact is stranger than fiction, footnotes we can add to this conversation. For anyone who hasn't checked out the specifics of Taani's construction, it's really quite interesting. A look at the current state of the build depicts something I wasn't familiar with. Joining aluminum bulkhead to a steel hull. The process used to accomplish the joint is fascinating in and of itself, "detacouple", and explosion welding. Two dissimilar metals in a salty environment seems counterintuitive at first. Edit: Link below is live feed, if you rewind back to nighttime, the contrast between the hull and bulkhead is much more apparent.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2023 14:01:23 GMT -8
Bollinger is the largest privately owned shipbuilder in the US. Apparently NASSCO out of SanDiego is the only major shipbuilder in the country west of the Mississippi. Odds are there's major college football teams near every shipbuilder capable of building a ship like OSU has ordered. What is one to do, order from Asia? Anyways, from what I'm reading the ships were actually contracted to be built by Gulf Island Shipyard prior to the shipyard being bought out by Bollinger in May of '21. Maybe Bollinger saw that contract and decided they should buy Gulf Island Shipyards because Oregon State might have a worthwhile linebacker to steer to LSU in a couple years? web.uri.edu/gso/news/rcrv-2-project-update/I wasn't suggesting any nefarious activity took place. The fact Bollinger, as Wilky pointed out, is ran by a former LSU Tiger Oline great by the same name, who happens to be a big LSU donor, and his company happens to be working on a several hundred million dollar ship build for OSU is one of those, fact is stranger than fiction, footnotes we can add to this conversation. For anyone who hasn't checked out the specifics of Taani's construction, it's really quite interesting. A look at the current state of the build depicts something I wasn't familiar with. Joining aluminum bulkhead to a steel hull. The process used to accomplish the joint is fascinating in and of itself, "detacouple", and explosion welding. Two dissimilar metals in a salty environment seems counterintuitive at first. Edit: Link below is live feed, if you rewind back to nighttime, the contrast between the hull and bulkhead is much more apparent. Sorry, I didn’t think you were suggesting a nefarious connection, I really was responding to Wilky’s reaction and the quote function pulled in the earlier comments and I didn’t take the time to edit it all out. The bulk of the US’s larger ships are built in the gulf or the east coast. Portland was a big shipbuilder during WW2, during the 50s I think it switched to mostly drydock and repairs. I consider it kind of a humorous coincidence that there’s an LSU football connection to the builder, especially since these are years old contracts now being fulfilled.
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