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Post by orangeattack on Feb 14, 2024 16:46:29 GMT -8
I would argue he has yet to be successful at the FBS level. 4-8 is not successful, especially after you win your first 3. He could win at the FCS level on recruiting alone. I not sold that he can actually coach. He is an excellent recruiter, but he better figure out that he needs to recruit and develop lineman or his high profile skill guys that he is bringing in will continue to get killed. He hasn't won anything at the top end college football. Even his first three wins were basically meh. TCU ended up being pretty awful - and they barely beat CSU in a game they were favored by better than 20 points. Nebraska is a program that MIGHT be coming back to "just not very good" next year - but they were circling the drain last year. I think he genuinely cares about his players and encourages them to be good people - but it is confusing because at the same time he pushes that flash, style and cockiness that is the antithesis to building good young men. His kids are the easy example - more about what see than what is underneath. Im just not sure what to make of the guy. I think he embodies the attitude of an NFL superstar. Do the right things: Be a good teammate, work hard, be about ball, be upstanding in the community... and get yours, and don't be sorry about it because you earned it. That's not a terrible thing to be, as a leader. Because at least it's honest. |
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Post by bleedorange21 on Feb 14, 2024 21:18:54 GMT -8
They had a documentary about prime a long time ago and how it’s his alter ego. I don’t know how that works with being a HC.
He couldn’t even dominate in his lower division with top fbs talent. But really with the talent he’s bringing in he should be at least somewhat successful with the right coaches. He can’t keep overlooking the line positions tho. The big 12 move is coming at a good time for him and they can easily rise to the top of it.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 15, 2024 5:20:16 GMT -8
They had a documentary about prime a long time ago and how it’s his alter ego. I don’t know how that works with being a HC. He couldn’t even dominate in his lower division with top fbs talent. But really with the talent he’s bringing in he should be at least somewhat successful with the right coaches. He can’t keep overlooking the line positions tho. The big 12 move is coming at a good time for him and they can easily rise to the top of it. 27-6 at the FCS level would be considered dominating. Still not sold he can coach at the FBS level, though. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 15, 2024 11:54:10 GMT -8
They had a documentary about prime a long time ago and how it’s his alter ego. I don’t know how that works with being a HC. He couldn’t even dominate in his lower division with top fbs talent. But really with the talent he’s bringing in he should be at least somewhat successful with the right coaches. He can’t keep overlooking the line positions tho. The big 12 move is coming at a good time for him and they can easily rise to the top of it. 27-6 at the FCS level would be considered dominating. Still not sold he can coach at the FBS level, though. The lower you go, the more parity matters (or, I guess, the lack of) The difference between the best and the worse NFL team is razor thin margins, schemes, and strategy far more than pure talent. of course there is difference in talent, but that difference is less severe than in college. And the same is true down the levels of college. Prime got talent above the station of the school and division of football he was in. It is much easier to win football games when your guys are objectively stronger and faster. Prime showed at Colorado, it he didn't have an answer when his talent wasn't purely better. He mostly lost in blowout fashion and put up a lot of ugly games against average to good teams. His offense was simply non-functional. Compare him to what Petersen did at Boise State with the relative talent he had there against bigger and better schools and then continued to show that moving on to UW that while he now had more elite talent, it was his schemes that won a lot of those games. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 15, 2024 13:44:04 GMT -8
Primes key to success will be his ability to lure Jimmys and joes with his "brand", and hire good x's and o's to run it for him.
He seemed be on the right path last season, but things can turn on you quick in college football. Too much hype, too soon.
I specifically remember a co-worker of mine who does not follow college ball closely, thought the buffs would go to autzen and beat hole.......I bet him $20 straight up, moneyline. Easiest $20 I ever made......once buffs started getting embarrassed, guys like him fell off the bandwagon. And so it goes.....
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Post by bleedorange21 on Feb 15, 2024 19:14:55 GMT -8
It was such a good story for the powers that be wanted them to be good and hyped them up. There was a lot of fools gold at the beginning of the season that propped them up until conference play.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 15, 2024 19:54:36 GMT -8
It was such a good story for the powers that be wanted them to be good and hyped them up. There was a lot of fools gold at the beginning of the season that propped them up until conference play. are you telling the story or are you creating the story? A debate with journalism as old as time. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 16, 2024 22:39:26 GMT -8
It was such a good story for the powers that be wanted them to be good and hyped them up. There was a lot of fools gold at the beginning of the season that propped them up until conference play. are you telling the story or are you creating the story? A debate with journalism as old as time. Reminds me of Governor McCall. McCall was an old journalist and told a bunch of journalists that California was benefiting from some federal program that I forget the specifics about at Oregon's expense. The journalists checked and sure enough California was benefitting and Oregon was getting screwed. Someone later asked McCall how he knew that California was benefitting and Oregon was getting screwed. And McCall said that he did not know it but just felt that it had to be true. Sometimes, in order for there to be a story, you have to create the story. Since McCall died, though, it seems like there are too many stories made out of whole cloth. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 17, 2024 11:04:02 GMT -8
It was such a good story for the powers that be wanted them to be good and hyped them up. There was a lot of fools gold at the beginning of the season that propped them up until conference play. are you telling the story or are you creating the story? A debate with journalism as old as time. True, there was a lot of hype and the first three games did turn out to be fool's gold, but Colorado did win those three games and was living up to the hype through September. I'd say Colorado created the story by winning and there were a lot of people eager to tell it. |
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 19, 2024 11:33:54 GMT -8
are you telling the story or are you creating the story? A debate with journalism as old as time. True, there was a lot of hype and the first three games did turn out to be fool's gold, but Colorado did win those three games and was living up to the hype through September. I'd say Colorado created the story by winning and there were a lot of people eager to tell it. I mean, I'll be the first to admit it, I was wrong about Coach Prime and Colorado. They won just one game, in OT, in 2022. And then Prime shows up and drops most of his starting roster. If you go back and read my posts from a year ago, when I was watching that entire roster get turned over, I was sure that the complete lack of cohesiveness would put the Buffs in a deep, deep hole and they wouldn't win a single game. They lost the last 6 games in a row but the 4-2 start in the first 6 games was honestly nothing short of shocking. |
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Post by bleedorange21 on Feb 20, 2024 22:42:55 GMT -8
True, there was a lot of hype and the first three games did turn out to be fool's gold, but Colorado did win those three games and was living up to the hype through September. I'd say Colorado created the story by winning and there were a lot of people eager to tell it. I mean, I'll be the first to admit it, I was wrong about Coach Prime and Colorado. They won just one game, in OT, in 2022. And then Prime shows up and drops most of his starting roster. If you go back and read my posts from a year ago, when I was watching that entire roster get turned over, I was sure that the complete lack of cohesiveness would put the Buffs in a deep, deep hole and they wouldn't win a single game. They lost the last 6 games in a row but the 4-2 start in the first 6 games was honestly nothing short of shocking. I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew they were going to get some ooc wins but would really struggle in the pac which happened. There was definitely no cohesiveness down the stretch. Hopefully that continues. He’ll have somewhat success in the big 12 with his talent he can bring in and the fact it’s an easy conference. I expect Utah win the title their first year. |
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 21, 2024 8:45:34 GMT -8
I mean, I'll be the first to admit it, I was wrong about Coach Prime and Colorado. They won just one game, in OT, in 2022. And then Prime shows up and drops most of his starting roster. If you go back and read my posts from a year ago, when I was watching that entire roster get turned over, I was sure that the complete lack of cohesiveness would put the Buffs in a deep, deep hole and they wouldn't win a single game. They lost the last 6 games in a row but the 4-2 start in the first 6 games was honestly nothing short of shocking. I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew they were going to get some ooc wins but would really struggle in the pac which happened. There was definitely no cohesiveness down the stretch. Hopefully that continues. He’ll have somewhat success in the big 12 with his talent he can bring in and the fact it’s an easy conference. I expect Utah win the title their first year. Maybe you felt that way after they didn't get absolutely wrecked by TCU, but there is no way anybody was predicting them to get off to a 4-2 start. They wildly exceeded expectations. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2024 14:02:11 GMT -8
I wasn’t shocked at all. I knew they were going to get some ooc wins but would really struggle in the pac which happened. There was definitely no cohesiveness down the stretch. Hopefully that continues. He’ll have somewhat success in the big 12 with his talent he can bring in and the fact it’s an easy conference. I expect Utah win the title their first year. Maybe you felt that way after they didn't get absolutely wrecked by TCU, but there is no way anybody was predicting them to get off to a 4-2 start. They wildly exceeded expectations. True, and the teams they defeated all ended up not meeting expectations. Perfect storm. |
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Post by grackle on Feb 27, 2024 10:53:42 GMT -8
The "Coach" Prime hype and hoopla is just that. Thus far, Sanders single real accomplishment in big-time football is to have promoted himself. For example, regardless of how well or poorly his team is progressing, he always manages to wear an outfit with "Coach Prime" printed on it somewhere.
Colorado should have hired a head coach whose clear priority would have been to assemble a winning program. Instead they've saddled themself with a clown most concerned with enhansing his overhyped image.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 1, 2024 10:13:56 GMT -8
The "Coach" Prime hype and hoopla is just that. Thus far, Sanders single real accomplishment in big-time football is to have promoted himself. For example, regardless of how well or poorly his team is progressing, he always manages to wear an outfit with "Coach Prime" printed on it somewhere. Colorado should have hired a head coach whose clear priority would have been to assemble a winning program. Instead they've saddled themself with a clown most concerned with enhansing his overhyped image. You can say what you want about Sanders, but he brought real coaches with him and they were as good with the X's and O's as anybody. Coach Prime's job is to be a visionary CEO type, and thus far he is doing a fantastic job of it by pretty much any metric. To see him as anything other than a resounding success is honestly pretty strange, I'm not saying that you have to be a fan of his but to try and wave off what he's done and the momentum he has given the university is just wild. To say Colorado should have hired a program builder instead is similar to critics who said Oregon State should not have hired Dennis Erickson.. which we all know is crazy, and we know how lucky we were to have DE. I strongly believe that St. Dennis is the only reason that Oregon State has the donor support and interest and program that it has now. |
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