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Post by grackle on Mar 2, 2024 9:19:02 GMT -8
The "Coach" Prime hype and hoopla is just that. Thus far, Sanders single real accomplishment in big-time football is to have promoted himself. For example, regardless of how well or poorly his team is progressing, he always manages to wear an outfit with "Coach Prime" printed on it somewhere. Colorado should have hired a head coach whose clear priority would have been to assemble a winning program. Instead they've saddled themself with a clown most concerned with enhansing his overhyped image. You can say what you want about Sanders, but he brought real coaches with him and they were as good with the X's and O's as anybody. Coach Prime's job is to be a visionary CEO type, and thus far he is doing a fantastic job of it by pretty much any metric. To see him as anything other than a resounding success is honestly pretty strange, I'm not saying that you have to be a fan of his but to try and wave off what he's done and the momentum he has given the university is just wild. To say Colorado should have hired a program builder instead is similar to critics who said Oregon State should not have hired Dennis Erickson.. which we all know is crazy, and we know how lucky we were to have DE. I strongly believe that St. Dennis is the only reason that Oregon State has the donor support and interest and program that it has now. Wow 'Orange...you've obviously been slurping up the "Sanders is Coach Prime" hype and nonsense Kool Aid. But c'mon, get real -- Dennis Erickson has a long and easily demonstrable history of successful outcomes at the highest levels of college football, both on and off the field. That's why DE was hired at Oregon State. In sharp contrast, other than successfully hyping his own bloated self-image, Deion Sanders has accomplished NOTHING, as in absolutely zero, at the highest levels of college football. To equate Sanders and his successful self-promotion with Dennis Erickson's years-long accomplishments as a head coach would be laughable if the comparison weren't so naive and pathetic.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 2, 2024 10:53:12 GMT -8
Good grief, he's had one year at the highest level. His team went 4-8, clearly an improvement. Give him a few years before sounding super small minded.
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Post by grackle on Mar 2, 2024 20:36:43 GMT -8
Good grief, he's had one year at the highest level. His team went 4-8, clearly an improvement. Give him a few years before sounding super small minded. Hmmm....one single, losing year as head coach at a UColorado. Thank you for reminding us just exactly how little Sanders has accomplished in big time college football--- except, of course to have "Coach Prime" plastered over his clothing during Colorado football games. Perhaps Sanders will experience genuine success in the future. However, it is beyond ludicrous to assert that his current "accomplishments" are comparable to even a fraction of what Dennis Erickson has achieved.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 4, 2024 11:20:26 GMT -8
Good grief, he's had one year at the highest level. His team went 4-8, clearly an improvement. Give him a few years before sounding super small minded. Hmmm....one single, losing year as head coach at a UColorado. Thank you for reminding us just exactly how little Sanders has accomplished in big time college football--- except, of course to have "Coach Prime" plastered over his clothing during Colorado football games. Perhaps Sanders will experience genuine success in the future. However, it is beyond ludicrous to assert that his current "accomplishments" are comparable to even a fraction of what Dennis Erickson has achieved. I would think OSU football in 2017 was fairly comparable to Colorado football in 2022. Both teams won 1 game and were blown out in all but 1 or 2 others. I'd say Prime's first year at Colorado was substantially more successful and competitive than Smith's first year at Oregon State. What that means for the future, I couldn't say. I tend to think Sanders thrives on hype and motivation, and in the long term I wonder if it's sustainable. In my opinion, Erickson also thrived on hype and motivation, and the only program he actually ran 5 years had their best years on the front end. They could become quite similar career-wise if Prime's tenure at Colorado succeeds. Too eary to tell at the moment.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 4, 2024 18:08:46 GMT -8
You can say what you want about Sanders, but he brought real coaches with him and they were as good with the X's and O's as anybody. Coach Prime's job is to be a visionary CEO type, and thus far he is doing a fantastic job of it by pretty much any metric. To see him as anything other than a resounding success is honestly pretty strange, I'm not saying that you have to be a fan of his but to try and wave off what he's done and the momentum he has given the university is just wild. To say Colorado should have hired a program builder instead is similar to critics who said Oregon State should not have hired Dennis Erickson.. which we all know is crazy, and we know how lucky we were to have DE. I strongly believe that St. Dennis is the only reason that Oregon State has the donor support and interest and program that it has now. Wow 'Orange...you've obviously been slurping up the "Sanders is Coach Prime" hype and nonsense Kool Aid. But c'mon, get real -- Dennis Erickson has a long and easily demonstrable history of successful outcomes at the highest levels of college football, both on and off the field. That's why DE was hired at Oregon State. In sharp contrast, other than successfully hyping his own bloated self-image, Deion Sanders has accomplished NOTHING, as in absolutely zero, at the highest levels of college football. To equate Sanders and his successful self-promotion with Dennis Erickson's years-long accomplishments as a head coach would be laughable if the comparison weren't so naive and pathetic. Fair enough. I did not intend to equate Sanders' accomplishments thus far with St. Dennis' in any way whatsoever, I was merely talking about outside perceptions. I still think you're going way too hard on this. I have a tepid opinion about this at best, it's not a hill that I want to die on at all.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 5, 2024 20:32:55 GMT -8
Hmmm....one single, losing year as head coach at a UColorado. Thank you for reminding us just exactly how little Sanders has accomplished in big time college football--- except, of course to have "Coach Prime" plastered over his clothing during Colorado football games. Perhaps Sanders will experience genuine success in the future. However, it is beyond ludicrous to assert that his current "accomplishments" are comparable to even a fraction of what Dennis Erickson has achieved. I would think OSU football in 2017 was fairly comparable to Colorado football in 2022. Both teams won 1 game and were blown out in all but 1 or 2 others. I'd say Prime's first year at Colorado was substantially more successful and competitive than Smith's first year at Oregon State. What that means for the future, I couldn't say. I tend to think Sanders thrives on hype and motivation, and in the long term I wonder if it's sustainable. In my opinion, Erickson also thrived on hype and motivation, and the only program he actually ran 5 years had their best years on the front end. They could become quite similar career-wise if Prime's tenure at Colorado succeeds. Too eary to tell at the moment. I mean, Prime didn't hire Tim Tibesar, so, I guess that is certainly a point in his favor! Prime did an impressive job turning around that offense, that in 2022 was an absolutely abysmal 15.7 points a game. He ran that up to 28 points per game in 2023. Like. that is really pretty freaking good. That said, it was kind of a 50 points against bad defenses, 6 points against good ones type of affair. From my view point, Prime's offense suffered from the same thing early Oregon offenses suffered from: if you beat the OL you are toast. You didn't have a scheme solution to a better offensive line. So a lot like early Oregon, you could run up monster points on the right defense, but face a team with a pulse and you start sputtering. Of course that is something that is true for nearly every team in the country, but quality offenses demonstrate adaptability, particularly with blocking, and particularly with QB protection. Prime seemed to have no problem getting his kid murdered out there game after game. Who knows, maybe Prime is right. he just needs better OL. Or maybe, he needs to be helping the OL he has out a little bit...
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 6, 2024 17:43:57 GMT -8
Wow 'Orange...you've obviously been slurping up the "Sanders is Coach Prime" hype and nonsense Kool Aid. But c'mon, get real -- Dennis Erickson has a long and easily demonstrable history of successful outcomes at the highest levels of college football, both on and off the field. That's why DE was hired at Oregon State. In sharp contrast, other than successfully hyping his own bloated self-image, Deion Sanders has accomplished NOTHING, as in absolutely zero, at the highest levels of college football. To equate Sanders and his successful self-promotion with Dennis Erickson's years-long accomplishments as a head coach would be laughable if the comparison weren't so naive and pathetic. Fair enough. I did not intend to equate Sanders' accomplishments thus far with St. Dennis' in any way whatsoever, I was merely talking about outside perceptions. I still think you're going way too hard on this. I have a tepid opinion about this at best, it's not a hill that I want to die on at all. From my experience there are like 2-3 different coach Primes. I think that may be in play here and you and grackle are discussing two completely different people and technically the same person too. I encountered this phenomena early into his stint at CU. I don't watch any ESPN non-game programming. Everyone, and I mean everyone I know who does, would absolutely lose their mind if I said anything remotely positive about Deon this past fall. I figured out they had been fed an endless feed of snippets, soundbites, and hype from ESPN (and others) and were sick of him without ever actually hearing directly from him in the entirety. In stark contrast, In stark contrast, I only got Coach Prime when I wanted coach prime. I watched his news conferences on youtube, at my discretion. I watched and listened in the entirely to several and came away with a completely different opinion of him, his motivation, character, and inner windings.
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