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Post by BeaverNut23 on Oct 26, 2016 20:30:30 GMT -8
To be straight up honest, i'd rather have our offense stay as a spread offense that sorta resembles the Ducks spread offense. I want to have our Qb's run and pass like Mariota and De'athony Thomas or was it Darren Thomas?...anyway those two Qb's torched every defense the came across with there roll outs and scrambles and passes! thats what I want the beavers offense to resemble!! along with our offense using our signature fly sweep play. I honestly think the beavs should just run the ball with trick draw plays and quick pass dump off plays. cuz right now the run is what scores points for the beavs, not the pass plays. In short. the beavs should just be a spread offense that runs the ball this year. maybe next year our passing game will connect once we sort out the Qb situation in the off season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2016 20:32:09 GMT -8
Let's see. No qb that can throw. No receivers that can catch consistently. By your Oline coaches admission your line is doing well run blocking, but struggles pass blocking. You have a great running back. A game changing running back. Oh, did I mention no qb that can throw? And now, just at this very moment, CGA decides to go to an "Air Raid" type offense? Wow. Just wow. Just when I jumped on the CGA train and was reaching for the steam whistle...this thing jumps off the tracks. Unreal. And I was blasted for saying we needed a new OC. Oh no, lets change our offensive philosophy to further move away from our talents' strengths with co-OCs that have no experience running the new system! Ya... as mentioned above, grasping at a very large imaginary straw! So what about just scoring on more of your current possessions rather than the random "more and more quickly". I am hoping this was truly not what was said in the interview... maybe a missed part of a conversation??? I mean really I thought we were in the beginning of a "process"... now what? A new process? More excuses cuz the players do not fit the new system? Need three more years of recruits? I'm not sure his quote makes any sense with what GA has been spouting all this time... we just began to see a little glimpse of "identity"... confusion reigns anew.
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Post by Angus on Oct 26, 2016 20:39:00 GMT -8
Just now on 1080 during the weekly interview with Gary Andersen, the coach said something to the effect that the Beavs will be moving towards an "Air Raid" type offense in the future. He said this is based on the need to score points quickly and the benefits it provides for recruiting. I am not surprised at this change in philosophy but i am surprised at the transparency. I think GA is a flexible thinker but not wishy washy. I also think he can coach an O-line that can pass protect and not lose the ability to run block. I like this guy. Sooooo....GA you are telling me you want to move to a spread passing offense. one similar to the Air Raid in concept... Shotgun QB, pass first, using middle crossing routes as your bread and butter and deep routes to spread the defense both vertically and horizontally.. running against soft fronts when you can...So, you are saying that you need a passing orientated QB, that can maybe just run here and there when needed.... WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH DID YOU GET RID OF DEL RIO?!?!?!?!?!?! ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! Or LDR left because he saw greener pastures at a better program with a coach who recruited him at Colorado State. He's an average QB at best. Has been inconsistent at UF. Not that I wouldn't like to have him .. he certainly would be another body we could try ... But, I saw plenty of him before he left, and IMO, no he would not be any better than what we already have. My question is, just what this "air-raid type offense" going to be? IMO right now, this whole thing is more of a deal to simply get it "out there" that Oregon State football is going to do more passing. My guess is that we've been beat out in recent recruiting battles for some top WRs to programs with the "air-raid" attached. The actual implementation if and when it happens is probably going to take awhile. LDR even if here would likely be a non-factor IMO.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 26, 2016 20:50:42 GMT -8
I guess watching all the tape on the cougs has put GA into a trance or something!! LOL
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 26, 2016 21:01:55 GMT -8
Please. LDR left because he saw greener pastures at a better program with a coach who recruited him at Colorado State. He's an average QB at best. Has been inconsistent at UF. Thus no guarantees he would have done squat here. Not that I wouldn't like to have him .. he certainly would be another body we could try ... But, I saw plenty of him before he left, and IMO, no he would not be any better than what we already have - just an extra body. Obviously this new is getting running legs already. My question is, just what this "air-raid type offense" going to be? IMO right now, this whole thing is more of a deal to simply get it "out there" that Oregon State football is going to do more passing. My guess is that we've been beat out in recent recruiting battles for some top WRs to programs with the "air-raid" attached. The actual implementation if and when it happens is probably going to take awhile. LDR even if here would likely be a non-factor IMO. He's only played 4 games, with only a fall practice behind him, and his passer's rating is up around 127, which is around what several of our now pros had as passer's rating much of the time they were here. Derek never got a 127, Moore only did his senior year, Smith topped it twice in 4 year averages. It's a little early to pass judgement on the kid either way.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 26, 2016 21:20:30 GMT -8
I'm not sure his quote makes any sense with what GA has been spouting all this time... we just began to see a little glimpse of "identity"... confusion reigns anew. I seem to recall Andersen has said several times he leaves the offense to others... so who really knows. Maybe looking at other PAC offenses in defensive planning has sparked him/.them, or maybe their new JC QB commit has them amped up? Seems refreshing that they at least know they have to do something different than suck on offense
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Post by blackbug on Oct 26, 2016 22:10:18 GMT -8
Please. LDR left because he saw greener pastures at a better program with a coach who recruited him at Colorado State. He's an average QB at best. Has been inconsistent at UF. Thus no guarantees he would have done squat here. Not that I wouldn't like to have him .. he certainly would be another body we could try ... But, I saw plenty of him before he left, and IMO, no he would not be any better than what we already have - just an extra body. Obviously this new is getting running legs already. My question is, just what this "air-raid type offense" going to be? IMO right now, this whole thing is more of a deal to simply get it "out there" that Oregon State football is going to do more passing. My guess is that we've been beat out in recent recruiting battles for some top WRs to programs with the "air-raid" attached. The actual implementation if and when it happens is probably going to take awhile. LDR even if here would likely be a non-factor IMO. He's only played 4 games, with only a fall practice behind him, and his passer's rating is up around 127, which is around what several of our now pros had as passer's rating much of the time they were here. Derek never got a 127, Moore only did his senior year, Smith topped it twice in 4 year averages. It's a little early to pass judgement on the kid either way. The real comparison is current quarterbacks in college as the game has changed since all the examples you cited. In that field Del Rio is 71st out of 112. This puts him at a little below average with all starting quarterbacks. It is better than our current quarterbacks, but not better than past quarterbacks if you compare them to the field appropriately. In the 2 games I watched Del Rio play this year I found him to be an average quarterback right now. I would like him to be playing here, but I am not going to bemoan the fact that he went elsewhere. It feels like beating a dead horse for right now an average quarterback.
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 26, 2016 22:24:56 GMT -8
I'm not sure his quote makes any sense with what GA has been spouting all this time... we just began to see a little glimpse of "identity"... confusion reigns anew. I seem to recall Andersen has said several times he leaves the offense to others... so who really knows. Maybe looking at other PAC offenses in defensive planning has sparked him/.them, or maybe their new JC QB commit has them amped up? Seems refreshing that they at least know they have to do something different than suck on offense Not sucking on offense would be nice. If a more pass oriented offense truly is the direction GA would like to go, it begs the question, is he planning on moving Baldwin back to OC and letting him run the offense he knows and should have installed from day one? Baldwins offense at CSU in 2014 passed for 4,181 yards(8th in the country) and rushed for 2,071 (159 yards pg. avrg. 5 games over 200 yrds rushing). His QB threw for 32 TD's with only 7 INT's. So why wasn't the offense from the start? We'd have nearly two years in place to build upon instead of "a new direction" to start over with.
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 27, 2016 2:44:59 GMT -8
He wants to be part of the Mike Leach tree, now? Not the Urban Meyer tree? Really? WOW. He doesn't know how to use players he inherited. In some cases he alienated some (allegedly) because it's his way.........his process. He sure doesn't seem like a coach who has the ability to make the most out of what was given to him. Use the strengths of the players he inherited. He was all about the option and running that ball. Mullaney a couple years back probably said to himself, "...you know. they're not going to pass the ball. i'm audi." CGA probably told Del Rio that there's a new sheriff in town and his services won't be needed.
He's got a "who is he?" as OC. I know he's the boss man but is he really qualified on the offensive side of the ball? He probably would have wrecked Wisconsin if he stayed there a couple more years. I thought he was going for the "neat" read option offense with a running qb........even though he has no quarterback who can pass when called upon (rarely) to pass. He's got Utah Stater #10 and Blount.....these little QBs are getting jacked up.
So, now, we got McMaryion at QB who can pass better (MR recruit who was shoved down the depth chart since he's not his kind of Utah Stater QB ala Chuckie Keaton), a punishing RB in Ryan Nall, and an Oline getting a little better. .............and now he wants to go Air Raid?? He basically all but gutted out the offense to be a cute option team. There's no way he's gonna get talent that will run the option like Ohio State. And I don't think he's got players that'll go balls out for him like Snyder's KState team. Basically, he's got a Utah State here in Corvallis. ..........maybe an Appalachian State. He also seems impatient. Replace an OC quickly (actually, a good move) with an unproven OC? Maybe he's quick to judge. Thus, some MR guys get culled out?
And now he's realizing that with the talent he has or will have in the future, he'll have to throw the rock once in a while in this conference?! He now realizes that this job is tough and now he's gripping?
He ought to stop. Hire an OC. A really good one and he should just focus on defense............that's his specialty, right? Or, did Sitake make the defense.........BTW, If I were a Y fan, I'd want Ty Detmer as HC in the not so distant future. Did Ty just join the team as OC? Well, Ty will want the offense to be like the old Y offenses. WCO! Or is it just his rah-rah stuff that's his schhhhhhhhhhhhhtick? Is his goal is to have the Beavs to be like Utah and/or Utah State?
It's 3:44 AM and I'm making no sense! Trust the process! Go Beavs.
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Post by Angus on Oct 27, 2016 3:11:11 GMT -8
Please. LDR left because he saw greener pastures at a better program with a coach who recruited him at Colorado State. He's an average QB at best. Has been inconsistent at UF. Thus no guarantees he would have done squat here. Not that I wouldn't like to have him .. he certainly would be another body we could try ... But, I saw plenty of him before he left, and IMO, no he would not be any better than what we already have - just an extra body. Obviously this new is getting running legs already. My question is, just what this "air-raid type offense" going to be? IMO right now, this whole thing is more of a deal to simply get it "out there" that Oregon State football is going to do more passing. My guess is that we've been beat out in recent recruiting battles for some top WRs to programs with the "air-raid" attached. The actual implementation if and when it happens is probably going to take awhile. LDR even if here would likely be a non-factor IMO. He's only played 4 games, with only a fall practice behind him, and his passer's rating is up around 127, which is around what several of our now pros had as passer's rating much of the time they were here. Derek never got a 127, Moore only did his senior year, Smith topped it twice in 4 year averages. It's a little early to pass judgement on the kid either way. Yes, it is early. For all I know he could turn into an NFL qb. He certainly has the resources there at UF to flourish. And I don't want to bag on him, he could be good in time, but so could some of our quarterbacks. As far as this thread on the "air-raid type" passing attack and LDR, my only concern was that in the time it would take to actually become some kind of "passing offense" here, his eligibility would probably have come and gone, or close to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 5:23:01 GMT -8
THAT IS NOT WHAT GARY ANDERSEN SAID...
Coach Andersen was on 1080 The Fan yesterday talking about all sorts of different things. It was the hosts who brought up the air raid and originally made a comment about how the Beavers could potentially move in the direction of an air raid offense... AS A JOKE. Then towards the end of the interview, again the hosts brought it up, and Coach Andersen said that they will be looking to do more of that sort of thing in the future... for a number if reasons. But he wasn't talking about changing the offense at all... just focusing a bit more on having a good passing game. But early on in the interview he also said that his offenses will always need to run the ball... run the ball a lot... and run the ball very well.
Andersen's comments about the air raid offense were more of a complement towards the teams that are currently using it. And IMO, he was probably saying that so some recruits could hear it... receivers and quarterbacks who may have reservations about coming to a Beaver program that appears to be a run first, run heavy offense, when in reality we've only been doing that the past couple of seasons because of the fact we haven't been able to pass with any consistency due to numerous dropped balls and QB's who struggle to get the ball to receivers in the first place.
As long as Gary Andersen is the coach, we will always run the ball a lot... but he wants to have a truly balanced offense. Much like Rileys philosophy... we want to run to open up the pass. But we need a significant upgrade in talent at WR and QB before that can happen.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 27, 2016 6:01:03 GMT -8
THAT IS NOT WHAT GARY ANDERSEN SAID... Coach Andersen was on 1080 The Fan yesterday talking about all sorts of different things. It was the hosts who brought up the air raid and originally made a comment about how the Beavers could potentially move in the direction of an air raid offense... AS A JOKE. Then towards the end of the interview, again the hosts brought it up, and Coach Andersen said that they will be looking to do more of that sort of thing in the future... for a number if reasons. But he wasn't talking about changing the offense at all... just focusing a bit more on having a good passing game. But early on in the interview he also said that his offenses will always need to run the ball... run the ball a lot... and run the ball very well. Andersen's comments about the air raid offense were more of a complement towards the teams that are currently using it. And IMO, he was probably saying that so some recruits could hear it... receivers and quarterbacks who may have reservations about coming to a Beaver program that appears to be a run first, run heavy offense, when in reality we've only been doing that the past couple of seasons because of the fact we haven't been able to pass with any consistency due to numerous dropped balls and QB's who struggle to get the ball to receivers in the first place. As long as Gary Andersen is the coach, we will always run the ball a lot... but he wants to have a truly balanced offense. Much like Rileys philosophy... we want to run to open up the pass. But we need a significant upgrade in talent at WR and QB before that can happen. LOL...after reading you're post and someone putting his conversation in context, this thread is awesome. I'm not going to lie, when Riley left I preferred to see a passing spread offense like the ones cited or even Boise State as opposed to a read/option Oregon/AZ type offense. Still would. But it's a little late in the game to start making drastic changes. So you putting in in context makes sense. Hey coach...I know you got a JC kid who can sling the ball around a bit, even if he seems to throw a lot of picks, but please keep looking. There's gotta be another Luke Falk hiding under some rock somewhere on the west coast.
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 27, 2016 6:40:52 GMT -8
I feel like this is blown way out of proportion. I don't know what GA said because I quit listening to Big Suck and his little side kick a long time ago. I can surely see them baiting GA multiple times until he said something like...sure, we'll look at implementing the air raid in the future.
I'm going to let the rest of this season play out. I hope to see continued positive progress in all (or at least most) areas of the football team. Dare I hope for an additional 1, 2, 3 wins? You bet. Whether we get a new OC...DC...HC...offensive scheme...players that left come back (heck, it happened with Collins) or whatever. As long as who we have continue to work hard and progress in a way that the results show on the field (in wins eventually) I will be satisfied.
Listening to guys bait a coach to say something in order to generate controversy does not seem to be a good use of time/energy.
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 27, 2016 6:46:14 GMT -8
THAT IS NOT WHAT GARY ANDERSEN SAID... Coach Andersen was on 1080 The Fan yesterday talking about all sorts of different things. It was the hosts who brought up the air raid and originally made a comment about how the Beavers could potentially move in the direction of an air raid offense... AS A JOKE. Then towards the end of the interview, again the hosts brought it up, and Coach Andersen said that they will be looking to do more of that sort of thing in the future... for a number if reasons. But he wasn't talking about changing the offense at all... just focusing a bit more on having a good passing game. But early on in the interview he also said that his offenses will always need to run the ball... run the ball a lot... and run the ball very well. Andersen's comments about the air raid offense were more of a complement towards the teams that are currently using it. And IMO, he was probably saying that so some recruits could hear it... receivers and quarterbacks who may have reservations about coming to a Beaver program that appears to be a run first, run heavy offense, when in reality we've only been doing that the past couple of seasons because of the fact we haven't been able to pass with any consistency due to numerous dropped balls and QB's who struggle to get the ball to receivers in the first place. As long as Gary Andersen is the coach, we will always run the ball a lot... but he wants to have a truly balanced offense. Much like Rileys philosophy... we want to run to open up the pass. But we need a significant upgrade in talent at WR and QB before that can happen. EXACTLY. So to paraphrase: Gary wants to run the ball. Gary wants a better passing game. Gary wants the entire offense to be better. Shocking. We can put the pitchforks down for a few more days. We aren't going BeavAir Raid in November. (though that would be a catchy name)
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 27, 2016 7:33:33 GMT -8
Yeah, uh, he didn't say we'd been switching to that THIS WEEK. Good grief. If you listened to the end of the interview, he was talking about expecting to have Ryan Nall in their pounding the rock on Saturday against Wazzu. With present personnel, we're going to be running the ball, nothing has changed.
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