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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:23:23 GMT -8
Just now on 1080 during the weekly interview with Gary Andersen, the coach said something to the effect that the Beavs will be moving towards an "Air Raid" type offense in the future. He said this is based on the need to score points quickly and the benefits it provides for recruiting.
I am not surprised at this change in philosophy but i am surprised at the transparency. I think GA is a flexible thinker but not wishy washy. I also think he can coach an O-line that can pass protect and not lose the ability to run block. I like this guy.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Oct 26, 2016 15:31:45 GMT -8
So, Mike Riley's offense of the last few years here? Mannion tossed the ball a lot.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 26, 2016 15:33:02 GMT -8
So, Mike Riley's offense of the last few years here? Mannion tossed the ball a lot. RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:34:25 GMT -8
So, Mike Riley's offense of the last few years here? Mannion tossed the ball a lot. Pretending that isn't sarcasm, it's not likely that Riley's offense during the Mannion years will be a model for anyone.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Oct 26, 2016 16:19:25 GMT -8
Stats are stats. Under Riley Mannion tossed the rock 40 times a game. That's about as close to an air raid as you can get at OSU under Riley since you are snapping the ball with less than 5 seconds on the play clock all game long.
On the Flip Side, Moore, Katz and Canfield were closer to 30. DA was at 40 as well.
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Oct 26, 2016 16:49:16 GMT -8
So the beavs are gunna try to have a spread offense that is gunna do some air raid type passing styles?
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 26, 2016 17:04:30 GMT -8
Stats are stats. Under Riley Mannion tossed the rock 40 times a game. That's about as close to an air raid as you can get at OSU under Riley since you are snapping the ball with less than 5 seconds on the play clock all game long. On the Flip Side, Moore, Katz and Canfield were closer to 30. DA was at 40 as well. The concepts are totally different, stats aside. Mannion operated almost exclusively under center and as we've been over many many times, there was a fairly complex route tree. The original Air Raid was basically taking the West Coast passing game, simplifying it to a purely conceptual level, and then making every formational and personnel decision around maximizing those passing concepts. What really made (makes at Wazzu) is the 4-vertical concept. Receivers run stop routes or comebacks whenever they find open grass. If you "run where they ain't" in the Wing-t, then you "throw it where they ain't" in the Air Raid. Some similarities to the Run and Shoot in that respect. I'll say one thing, you need a different style OL (tall, long frames, heavy to operate the wide splits) if you're going to trend more to the Air Raid, compared to the quicker more athletic OL you typically see fighting in a phone booth for the WCO or running laterally in the spread option.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Oct 26, 2016 18:17:46 GMT -8
Don't try to confuse me with half truths and gorilla dust.
But seriously, I see what you mean. My comment was a little tongue-in-cheek dig at NOT RUNNING THE DAM BALL! I don't think I would prefer an Air Raid style, but then again I don't prefer a spread/option style, either.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 18:38:30 GMT -8
Oh boy....
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 26, 2016 18:43:14 GMT -8
I think the ability to score points quickly is important. I know McGiven has previous OC experience, but I would not mind seeing another OC come in. Let McGiven focus on being the QB coach, and Woods with the O-Line. GA has to make the right decision though. I know a lot of us wanting Jonathan Smith to "come home", but I don't see it happening. Not yet at least.
A guy I'd like to see as our OC is another Baldwin, Beau Baldwin. Here are the stats for his QB, Gabe Gubrud this year at Eastern Washington:
175 for 248 completions - 70% completion percentage. 2351 yards - 13.4 yards per completion 23 TD to 6 Interceptions. 351 rushing yards (net, after factoring in sacks). 5.1 rushing average/59 yards per game. 4 TD's.
I mention this guys' stats, because Vernon Adams wasn't a one-hit wonder at EWU. Baldwin has a system that works, and he can find and develop QB's to run it. Having seen their team play in person several times, it's fun to watch with a lot of big-play ability. He's won a national championship at the FCS level.
I read last year that his base salary is at around $150,000 annually. Let's say he makes $200,000, when factoring in bonuses, media appearances, etc. Could we get him if we offered $450,000? If we don't extend Dave Baldwin's contract, that money gets freed up.
Oh, and Beau Baldwin knows how to beat, or at least compete with teams in the PAC 12 (sorry, but I had to throw that in there). I know Clownzano listed him as a candidate for the toilet seats, if they let go of Helfrich. I think the guy will get a HC offer eventually, but I don't think it's THAT much of a stretch to think that running an offense in a Power 5 school wouldn't at least appeal to him. Plus his teams' defenses are often very lacking. It might be better for Beau to just focus on an offense.
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 26, 2016 18:58:17 GMT -8
Mason Moran then will be DB? I mean he won't make it under the new offense. Could have used Del Rio or a Mullaney right about now.
Get 9er or get Ty Detmer from the Y as OC.
Wow. What a mess CGA is creating. Grasping at straws. Well, at least he's trying.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 19:26:34 GMT -8
Just now on 1080 during the weekly interview with Gary Andersen, the coach said something to the effect that the Beavs will be moving towards an "Air Raid" type offense in the future. He said this is based on the need to score points quickly and the benefits it provides for recruiting. I am not surprised at this change in philosophy but i am surprised at the transparency. I think GA is a flexible thinker but not wishy washy. I also think he can coach an O-line that can pass protect and not lose the ability to run block. I like this guy. Sooooo....GA you are telling me you want to move to a spread passing offense. one similar to the Air Raid in concept... Shotgun QB, pass first, using middle crossing routes as your bread and butter and deep routes to spread the defense both vertically and horizontally.. running against soft fronts when you can...So, you are saying that you need a passing orientated QB, that can maybe just run here and there when needed.... WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH DID YOU GET RID OF DEL RIO?!?!?!?!?!?! ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
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Post by beavdowg on Oct 26, 2016 19:58:14 GMT -8
The Beau Baldwin idea is really intriguing!!
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Post by jdogge on Oct 26, 2016 19:59:52 GMT -8
Just now on 1080 during the weekly interview with Gary Andersen, the coach said something to the effect that the Beavs will be moving towards an "Air Raid" type offense in the future. He said this is based on the need to score points quickly and the benefits it provides for recruiting. I am not surprised at this change in philosophy but i am surprised at the transparency. I think GA is a flexible thinker but not wishy washy. I also think he can coach an O-line that can pass protect and not lose the ability to run block. I like this guy. Sorry. I don't buy it. I think you're blowing more than cheese.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 20:03:08 GMT -8
Let's see. No qb that can throw. No receivers that can catch consistently. By your Oline coaches admission your line is doing well run blocking, but struggles pass blocking. You have a great running back. A game changing running back. Oh, did I mention no qb that can throw? And now, just at this very moment, CGA decides to go to an "Air Raid" type offense? Wow. Just wow. Just when I jumped on the CGA train and was reaching for the steam whistle...this thing jumps off the tracks. Unreal.
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