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Post by bbfan on Nov 30, 2015 14:53:18 GMT -8
Can anyone who writes about "The Great Purge" please get banned. You have zero clue what that does to the APR of the football team
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 14:59:57 GMT -8
Does writing about it on a forum make it so??? And if we don;t write about it and the 'purge' happens does the APR stay the same? coaches banned??? LOL
IT'S A FORUM!!! lol
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Post by OSUprof on Nov 30, 2015 15:00:09 GMT -8
I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game. Smith played each scrimmage vs mostly 2's and 3's... but, heck I wasn't there... on the sidelines! Keep harking back enough you're bound to be right... and, saying JS was better was an opinion, whether proven out or not has nothing to with "technical"... nothing in his motion, release, physical stature were superior to the other three... LOL. As posted by others JS was a very average QB stats wise... ok, well below today's standards... surrounded by some of the best talent OSU has had, AND he had a "gamer" attitude... that is certainly nothing technical. There was much more to 11-1 than JS. JS panned out for 1 brief shinning season... TB and Stremick were twice the athletes and QBs on paper and in practice... Tomich the experience in the system. Coaches sometimes actually go with what's in front of their eyes and adjust. Which MR did... But, JS was never a front runner for the starting nod by talent or play early on. And his success is one of those "what if" stories... if there would not have been injuries/issues with guys ahead of him he may have never seen the filed at OSU... Neither here or there... but, glad you can hark back to a success on a forum! :>) You misunderstand me. I wasn't claiming that Smith was better than Bryant, zzufrevaeb made that claim. I'm only telling you that he did make the claim and it was memorable because of the fighting. It wasn't my success on a forum, but I do have an excellent memory.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 15:02:21 GMT -8
Smith played each scrimmage vs mostly 2's and 3's... but, heck I wasn't there... on the sidelines! Keep harking back enough you're bound to be right... and, saying JS was better was an opinion, whether proven out or not has nothing to with "technical"... nothing in his motion, release, physical stature were superior to the other three... LOL. As posted by others JS was a very average QB stats wise... ok, well below today's standards... surrounded by some of the best talent OSU has had, AND he had a "gamer" attitude... that is certainly nothing technical. There was much more to 11-1 than JS. JS panned out for 1 brief shinning season... TB and Stremick were twice the athletes and QBs on paper and in practice... Tomich the experience in the system. Coaches sometimes actually go with what's in front of their eyes and adjust. Which MR did... But, JS was never a front runner for the starting nod by talent or play early on. And his success is one of those "what if" stories... if there would not have been injuries/issues with guys ahead of him he may have never seen the filed at OSU... Neither here or there... but, glad you can hark back to a success on a forum! :>) You misunderstand me. I wasn't claiming that Smith was better than Bryant, zzufrevaeb made that claim. I'm only telling you that he did make the claim and it was memorable because of the fighting. It wasn't my success on a forum, but I do have an excellent memory. "SUCCESS" was not meant to imply you... I'm guessing if you're right so few times (or just plan a jerk about your opinions being such) they are more memorable?!
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Post by beav2007 on Nov 30, 2015 15:09:30 GMT -8
Baseba1111...you sure know how to get along with people, don't you! OSUProf is right a lot, actually. I don't know where your aggression is coming from, but we are all Beaver fans here, we can disagree without the nastiness!
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 15:12:04 GMT -8
baseba1111, please take this the best way possible, but you're coming off like a jerk on this young forum. There's a way to make a point without sounding like a commenter on Olive. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on the Beavers, and I know I for one would appreciate it more if it was presented less rudely. I'm betting others would as well. Of course, this is a free country, and only a message board, so you can do whatever you like. Just some friendly advice.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 15:31:28 GMT -8
Can anyone who writes about "The Great Purge" please get banned. You have zero clue what that does to the APR of the football team It does nothing unless those players drop out entirely or had a GPA of less than 2.6 when they left If those players do drop out, or had GPAs less than 2.6 then it is a loss of one point per player out of 2 possible points. worse case scenario, most of us are talking about a loss of say 10 players. if every one drops out (very doubtful) then it is a 10 point hit. using napkin math, if we lose 10 scholarship players from 85 assuming everybody is eligible the math is: 75 eligible players finish the season and then eligible next term. 75x2 points= 150 points 10 players are booted, but started the season eligible= 10x1= 10 points 160/170= 0.9411 or an APR of 941. above the minimum 930. that is a worse case math in a simple example. Most if not all of the players Andersen suggests should move on will not count against us point wise.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 17:50:37 GMT -8
Can anyone who writes about "The Great Purge" please get banned. You have zero clue what that does to the APR of the football team As long as they're on track with grades, it doesn't hurt nearly as bad as you think anymore.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 18:02:09 GMT -8
Tomich stunk. Stremick was a little better but nothing to hang your hat on. And... someone, other than the article saying he was #1 on the depth chart, said he was??? But... he was good enough to be a D1 athlete at that time. There's plenty of guys on that roster (and current) who have scholarships but aren't D1 athletes. Smith was clearly better at managing the game than the three of them (Bryant, Stremick, Tomich). And that's how OSU succeeded in 1999 and 2000. 2001 stunk simply because of the o-line, didn't help out Smith who clearly wasn't running like a John Deere.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 18:02:56 GMT -8
sweet pissing match. I'm excited for the upcoming Imani Percoats debate. Percoats stunk. Well he wasn't that bad, but he wasn't that good. Then again, if my girlfriend got in a car wreck and had to be taken off life support before my first game in 1999, I'd be a little shaken up too.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 18:03:20 GMT -8
Many do remember, sorry your Alzheimer's isn't helping you out. Bryant was overrated, but he was cocky and that was a new thing for an OSU QB. LMAO... yep all of the past posters hark back to their remarks from years ago!!? POST of the year... at least to show who you really are! Wow... O-live is missing their leader!
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 30, 2015 18:06:00 GMT -8
I clearly remember zzufrevaeb's claim that Smith was a better quarterback than Bryant. His claim was made very early in the 1998 season. His claim and his insistence that he was right led to several months of fighting between him and other posters on Pure Orange during the 1998 season. He not only said he was better, he gave technical reasons why Smith's throws and placement were better than Bryant's. It turns out he was right, and by the UW game, everyone could see what he was saying. FYI - Smith outplayed all other QBs during the spring game. All this aside, the single point of the original statement remains. If you thought 5'-11" Jonathan Smith was going to take OSU to a school record season, a #4 ranking and a Fiesta Bowl curbstomping of Notre Dame, you are a liar. It is one thing to pick the best QB on the roster. it is one thing to say, of these 3 clowns, clown A is the better clown... But the question was "who on this roster can take us to the next level". If you are trying to claim that in 1998 looking at that team and roster after the season, even with JS's big Washington game, then two so-so games then a big Oregon game that this guy is going to make us co pac-10 champions and put us in a new years bowl, I think you have a bad case of revisionist history. JS took us to the next level... but he also did it as a 50% passer and barely better than 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio (15-7). Orange glasses off, if we had to lean on JS and didn't have the defense, or Simonton, I am not sure we are 11-1 that season. the defense on that 2000 squad was easily one of the better ones in the nation that year. The majority of Erickson's JC guys were on that side of the ball. He also took us to a 5-6 season the next year because of how much we lost on that defense, as well as some key WRs and OL guys. That alone just goes to show the entire reason the question is a little silly. So is the QB that "can take us to the next level" on this roster? who knows? we have to fix a lot of other stuff along the way, then maybe we will see. All I do know is Moran finished his Chandler season with about double the passing yards Collins had, and equal rushing yards. I like this kid. Nobody expected 11-1 and the Fiesta Bowl romp. Chad, TJ, Prescott, and Kenny all helped make that happen. And when the offense wasn't totally clicking, the Presidents and Barnett helped with one of the better defenses OSU has seen in a long long long time (excluding that two year stretch where Pettibone had great defenses with little offense to back it up).
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 30, 2015 20:45:40 GMT -8
To be fair, TennesseeBeaver predicted a 10-1 regular season record prior to the 2000 season; I remember the prediction well on the message boards. It wasn't based on Jonathan Smith, it was based on the experienced, senior-laden team that was coming back on both offense and defense after a successful 1999 campaign, and a one-by-one assessment of every game on our schedule with a determination that we were more loaded than every other team in the PAC. I believe he even picked the Husky game as a loss, due to the tough road environment. I remember thinking at the time that I couldn't really argue against his prediction...
My dream is to see a team like that at Oregon State again. Too bad the playoffs didn't exist back then...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 30, 2015 21:25:36 GMT -8
To be fair, TennesseeBeaver predicted a 10-1 regular season record prior to the 2000 season; I remember the prediction well on the message boards. It wasn't based on Jonathan Smith, it was based on the experienced, senior-laden team that was coming back on both offense and defense after a successful 1999 campaign, and a one-by-one assessment of every game on our schedule with a determination that we were more loaded than every other team in the PAC. I believe he even picked the Husky game as a loss, due to the tough road environment. I remember thinking at the time that I couldn't really argue against his prediction... My dream is to see a team like that at Oregon State again. Too bad the playoffs didn't exist back then... GO BEAVS! I wish we would have played Oklahoma. A much better matchup, and a bigger stepping stone to claim that yes, we were the best team in the country.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2015 22:29:58 GMT -8
Baseba1111...you sure know how to get along with people, don't you! OSUProf is right a lot, actually. I don't know where your aggression is coming from, but we are all Beaver fans here, we can disagree without the nastiness! First, I'm hoping the prof knew the inference to being right was not directed to him. But, that's his call not a 3rd party's. Second, I'm not one of the old guard from previous sites, but it seems like my remarks are no where close to nasty when reading thru those other sites. Third, I'm not really here to "get along" with others. I spout my opinions no more vociferously than a LOT on here. I just happen to call BS when I read it, state opinions based on what I see, and not afraid to praise or flog when appropriate. I've never stated to know all, be all. And, have been close to as equally supportive as negative of viewpoints on this board. If you'd like to have the "sacred crowd" of agreement then maybe start your own forum and invite just those with opinions and attitudes you agree with? Cuz we all know that's the real world out there. Fourth, I don't believe I've done much but use sarcasm and refute arguments. No name calling or personal insults since refuting some very early in this young boards life. Lastly, most antagonistic threads on all boards are created when unrelated parties enter a forum discussion and make inferences then pick a side and join the discussion to only make it worse. My advice in this case, let the prof admonish me. If my post was poorly written so he took my remarks wrong I'll apologize to him. But, thanks for the advice. Fishing has been great.
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