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Post by beaverheart on Dec 1, 2015 7:06:04 GMT -8
Baseba1111...you sure know how to get along with people, don't you! OSUProf is right a lot, actually. I don't know where your aggression is coming from, but we are all Beaver fans here, we can disagree without the nastiness! First, I'm hoping the prof knew the inference to being right was not directed to him. But, that's his call not a 3rd party's. Second, I'm not one of the old guard from previous sites, but it seems like my remarks are no where close to nasty when reading thru those other sites. Third, I'm not really here to "get along" with others. I spout my opinions no more vociferously than a LOT on here. I just happen to call BS when I read it, state opinions based on what I see, and not afraid to praise or flog when appropriate. I've never stated to know all, be all. And, have been close to as equally supportive as negative of viewpoints on this board. If you'd like to have the "sacred crowd" of agreement then maybe start your own forum and invite just those with opinions and attitudes you agree with? Cuz we all know that's the real world out there. Fourth, I don't believe I've done much but use sarcasm and refute arguments. No name calling or personal insults since refuting some very early in this young boards life. Lastly, most antagonistic threads on all boards are created when unrelated parties enter a forum discussion and make inferences then pick a side and join the discussion to only make it worse. My advice in this case, let the prof admonish me. If my post was poorly written so he took my remarks wrong I'll apologize to him. But, thanks for the advice. Fishing has been great. The wonderful thing about forums is that there are no experts. All you need is an opinion. You know what they say about opinions, they are like a$$holes everybody has one. Just because someone has a Beaver fan longer than somebody else makes no difference at all. Nor does it matter that someone can prove that they were right 17 years ago. A broken clock is right twice a day! I like to hear peoples opinions, especially Beaver football fans. As far as I'm concerned, my opinion is that if posters would leave out all the little snide remarks and put downs and just give their opinion we would all be a lot better off as Beaver fans. There is lots of talk here, but no one is standing up for any of our present quarterbacks. No fair picking Mitchell he is gone.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 1, 2015 7:45:56 GMT -8
First, I'm hoping the prof knew the inference to being right was not directed to him. But, that's his call not a 3rd party's. Second, I'm not one of the old guard from previous sites, but it seems like my remarks are no where close to nasty when reading thru those other sites. Third, I'm not really here to "get along" with others. I spout my opinions no more vociferously than a LOT on here. I just happen to call BS when I read it, state opinions based on what I see, and not afraid to praise or flog when appropriate. I've never stated to know all, be all. And, have been close to as equally supportive as negative of viewpoints on this board. If you'd like to have the "sacred crowd" of agreement then maybe start your own forum and invite just those with opinions and attitudes you agree with? Cuz we all know that's the real world out there. Fourth, I don't believe I've done much but use sarcasm and refute arguments. No name calling or personal insults since refuting some very early in this young boards life. Lastly, most antagonistic threads on all boards are created when unrelated parties enter a forum discussion and make inferences then pick a side and join the discussion to only make it worse. My advice in this case, let the prof admonish me. If my post was poorly written so he took my remarks wrong I'll apologize to him. But, thanks for the advice. Fishing has been great. The wonderful thing about forums is that there are no experts. All you need is an opinion. You know what they say about opinions, they are like a$$holes everybody has one. Just because someone has a Beaver fan longer than somebody else makes no difference at all. Nor does it matter that someone can prove that they were right 17 years ago. A broken clock is right twice a day! I like to hear peoples opinions, especially Beaver football fans. As far as I'm concerned, my opinion is that if posters would leave out all the little snide remarks and put downs and just give their opinion we would all be a lot better off as Beaver fans. There is lots of talk here, but no one is standing up for any of our present quarterbacks. No fair picking Mitchell he is gone. I'll say I thought MM was by far the best pure "QB" we had in the aspects you need in a young QB and that GA had mentioned as keys for him. Collins was a + only in his legs/excitement... MM has better poise, throws a better ball, has more than adequate mobility, and his character has now been proven beyond reproach. IMHO, I thought he received the raw end of the stick on several levels. One of GA's early comments was on he and his staff allow kids to grow and they will not be pulled for purely physical mistakes... I saw MM put into a game cold (1st action of the season?) at the 3 yard line, asked to throw a bubble screen. There was pressure, it was well defending/poorly executed/maybe even a early shove to some... for a pick 6. I do not think he saw the field again that day. As a co-#1 I thought he was shorted on significant playing time; put into situations to fail/very poor play selection when he was played early on; allowed no chance to get any kind of game rhythm with significant stretches of PT; sat behind as the distant #3 took the reigns (played quite poorly many times) and still saw limited action until games were well out of reach; and never never was seen on the sideline being anything but supportive/always in the offensive meetings. More importantly he still managed to keep his head up and started his first career game in a road CW and managed a very week offensive team very well. Collins was used exactly as he should have... to stretch the field/change up... and it later made the running game and MM even more effective. I was totally thrilled that the young man never hung his head and was prepared to play whenever asked. That being said, everyone seems to think Garrettson (?) is the next leader of this offensive unit. Well... he has not played in over a year, not a snap vs Pac12 defenses, nor been in true position of leadership when he's actually part of the adversity. To me MM is the incumbent starter, Garretson, Collins give us three deep and variety. Moran needs to RS at all costs... we need him bigger/stronger, more familiar with the system (whatever that is... but, another entire discussion!), and integrated into college life. I could see a late JC pick up at this position.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 1, 2015 8:03:00 GMT -8
What I've learned from 16-17 seasons of Beaver message boards is.... The QB on the bench is always our best hope. Year in, year out, that's the message, so it's gotta be true.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 1, 2015 8:18:22 GMT -8
I have several Cougar friends that I talked to before the Apple Cup. I was asking them if Falk was in or out, as I was curious, and I was making my weekly football picks! They all said something to the effect of Bender is just as good as Falk, don't worry. I hear this over and over through the years, in fact, heard it about Lockie too. I told them, "No he isn't, or he'd probably be playing." Granted, he wasn't bad, but the inexperience showed, including 2 pick sixes. Oh, I picked the Huskies to boot.
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Post by zebraworks on Dec 1, 2015 8:19:40 GMT -8
What I've learned from 16-17 seasons of Beaver message boards is.... The QB on the bench is always our best hope. Year in, year out, that's the message, so it's gotta be true. in other words our starting QB wasn't playing well!
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Post by seastape on Dec 1, 2015 8:23:10 GMT -8
I'll say I thought MM was by far the best pure "QB" we had in the aspects you need in a young QB and that GA had mentioned as keys for him. Collins was a + only in his legs/excitement... MM has better poise, throws a better ball, has more than adequate mobility, and his character has now been proven beyond reproach. IMHO, I thought he received the raw end of the stick on several levels. One of GA's early comments was on he and his staff allow kids to grow and they will not be pulled for purely physical mistakes... I saw MM put into a game cold (1st action of the season?) at the 3 yard line, asked to throw a bubble screen. There was pressure, it was well defending/poorly executed/maybe even a early shove to some... for a pick 6. I do not think he saw the field again that day. As a co-#1 I thought he was shorted on significant playing time; put into situations to fail/very poor play selection when he was played early on; allowed no chance to get any kind of game rhythm with significant stretches of PT; sat behind as the distant #3 took the reigns (played quite poorly many times) and still saw limited action until games were well out of reach; and never never was seen on the sideline being anything but supportive/always in the offensive meetings. More importantly he still managed to keep his head up and started his first career game in a road CW and managed a very week offensive team very well. Collins was used exactly as he should have... to stretch the field/change up... and it later made the running game and MM even more effective. I was totally thrilled that the young man never hung his head and was prepared to play whenever asked. That being said, everyone seems to think Garrettson (?) is the next leader of this offensive unit. Well... he has not played in over a year, not a snap vs Pac12 defenses, nor been in true position of leadership when he's actually part of the adversity. To me MM is the incumbent starter, Garretson, Collins give us three deep and variety. Moran needs to RS at all costs... we need him bigger/stronger, more familiar with the system (whatever that is... but, another entire discussion!), and integrated into college life. I could see a late JC pick up at this position. I completely agree with your thoughts contained in these three paragraphs.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 1, 2015 8:30:34 GMT -8
I have several Cougar friends that I talked to before the Apple Cup. I was asking them if Falk was in or out, as I was curious, and I was making my weekly football picks! They all said something to the effect of Bender is just as good as Falk, don't worry. I hear this over and over through the years, in fact, heard it about Lockie too. I told them, "No he isn't, or he'd probably be playing." Granted, he wasn't bad, but the inexperience showed, including 2 pick sixes. Oh, I picked the Huskies to boot. Without a doubt, some offensive systems are far more QB dependent than others. Leach's system is, absolutely. He needs 4-5 warm bodies at WR and a guy that can make the read and deliver the ball. And without a doubt if you have a BAD QB, a good rest of the team is not going to save you. But in College, if you have a good team, you can get by with just a good QB. you do not have to have an elite player, first round pick, type of guy. So, I stand by my statement OSU *COULD* "get there" with the QBs we have on the roster. It all just depends. (and highly unlikely next year).
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 1, 2015 13:29:03 GMT -8
Baseba1111...you sure know how to get along with people, don't you! OSUProf is right a lot, actually. I don't know where your aggression is coming from, but we are all Beaver fans here, we can disagree without the nastiness! First, I'm hoping the prof knew the inference to being right was not directed to him. But, that's his call not a 3rd party's. Second, I'm not one of the old guard from previous sites, but it seems like my remarks are no where close to nasty when reading thru those other sites. Third, I'm not really here to "get along" with others. I spout my opinions no more vociferously than a LOT on here. I just happen to call BS when I read it, state opinions based on what I see, and not afraid to praise or flog when appropriate. I've never stated to know all, be all. And, have been close to as equally supportive as negative of viewpoints on this board. If you'd like to have the "sacred crowd" of agreement then maybe start your own forum and invite just those with opinions and attitudes you agree with? Cuz we all know that's the real world out there. Fourth, I don't believe I've done much but use sarcasm and refute arguments. No name calling or personal insults since refuting some very early in this young boards life. Lastly, most antagonistic threads on all boards are created when unrelated parties enter a forum discussion and make inferences then pick a side and join the discussion to only make it worse. My advice in this case, let the prof admonish me. If my post was poorly written so he took my remarks wrong I'll apologize to him. But, thanks for the advice. Fishing has been great. Ha! Thanks for responding, I thought you were serious for a moment. But I must admit that I was confused for a bit when you addressed my post directly with "you" and you're", hence my response and that seems to be how others read it too. No need to apologize because I was not offended in any way. I do appreciate someone who is frank and to the point, and has no apparent underlying agendas. I'm a busy guy and don't have much time to engage in in-fighting among fans, so I tend to be matter of fact myself. You've made your reasons and motivations for being here crystal clear. Good luck with the fishing.
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Post by beaverheart on Dec 1, 2015 14:38:16 GMT -8
MM will be ok in a couple of years, maybe next year, he is just young, I like the idea of using Collins in the wildcat. Garrettson is the next great hope. I hope we can get one more in the mix either a JC or 5th year senior.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 1, 2015 15:06:27 GMT -8
MM will be ok in a couple of years, maybe next year, he is just young, I like the idea of using Collins in the wildcat. Garrettson is the next great hope. I hope we can get one more in the mix either a JC or 5th year senior. We need to head into the season with a simple 2 man race and leave it at that. I think it REALLY hurt us to be splitting up reps in a new offense with so many people all spring and fall. MM and Garretson needs to take 90% of the snaps, Moran gets a few and runs scout team, like normal football teams do. Collins takes a few to keep fresh and have his wildcat plays. I also agree that MM should be the incumbent this year. despite bad numbers I think some potential is there. and I agree with baseba11 that MM was put in some crappy positions a lot this year and not given a fair shake. If Garretson beats him out, so be it. Having essentially 3 freshmen at QB and then none of them really getting significant snaps because of the carousel was harmful in my opinion.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 1, 2015 15:19:31 GMT -8
What I've learned from 16-17 seasons of Beaver message boards is.... The QB on the bench is always our best hope. Year in, year out, that's the message, so it's gotta be true. in other words our starting QB wasn't playing well! Not entirely. I can recall the calls fo Jonathan Smith to be benched, especially his senior year when DA was on the bench. I can recall for annual calls for DA to be benched, even though he led the Beavs to 3 consecutive bowls.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 1, 2015 16:17:58 GMT -8
in other words our starting QB wasn't playing well! Not entirely. I can recall the calls fo Jonathan Smith to be benched, especially his senior year when DA was on the bench. I can recall for annual calls for DA to be benched, even though he led the Beavs to 3 consecutive bowls. Anybody can play Madden and score a bunch of points. Not many people actually understand football. Yes, DA was a INT machine, yes he was a gunslinger.. but he was definitely a helluva QB and an OSU great. He also had to go from a single back spread Erickson offense to a drop back pro passing in between his soph and jr year. it is no mystery he is still hanging around the NFL. Same with Matt Moore. Both Matt Moore and Andersen suffered a lot of grief at the hands of what I would call... terrible fans. You never boo your own. period.
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Post by orangemocha on Dec 1, 2015 16:30:30 GMT -8
What I've learned from 16-17 seasons of Beaver message boards is.... The QB on the bench is always our best hope. Year in, year out, that's the message, so it's gotta be true. People were in love with Canfield before he played one down when Moore was struggling. This year, nobody knew what the Beavers had with any of the QBs on the roster. Not sure if the staff has found the right person to be the QB, but they know who just cannot do it.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 1, 2015 17:34:15 GMT -8
Not entirely. I can recall the calls fo Jonathan Smith to be benched, especially his senior year when DA was on the bench. I can recall for annual calls for DA to be benched, even though he led the Beavs to 3 consecutive bowls. Anybody can play Madden and score a bunch of points. Not many people actually understand football. Yes, DA was a INT machine, yes he was a gunslinger.. but he was definitely a helluva QB and an OSU great. He also had to go from a single back spread Erickson offense to a drop back pro passing in between his soph and jr year. it is no mystery he is still hanging around the NFL. Same with Matt Moore. Both Matt Moore and Andersen suffered a lot of grief at the hands of what I would call... terrible fans. You never boo your own. period. I've supported the starters all the way through. I feel coaches generally make decisions for a reason, although I do feel our current coaches have a quicker trigger than the last. All of our QBS get too much flack from fans in my opinion as well. These are good kids and good QBs that catch the blame for everything, even stuff out of their control.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Dec 1, 2015 18:07:39 GMT -8
It is kind of hard to know if he has the "stuff" or not. One thing is for sure, he does not have a Pac-12 quality QB. I have my doubts that the QB on redshirt is good enough to be a great player in the Pac-12 either. This is the most dismal season ever, I'm glad it is over. It's ok, some of us were on board before 1997. We know better. I've been going to games, first as a sprout, since 1967, .... And including the dark ages.... I covered Avezanno teams for the Barfometer.... And until Civil War.... This year is as bad as I've seen. Bar none. Late Andros, Fertig, Avezanno, Kragthorpe, Pettibone.... All of it.
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