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Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 30, 2017 10:06:12 GMT -8
Angie Machado on the Dam Podcast yesterday called Keith Heyward a top 5 recruiter in the COUNTRY. I know it’s Angie, but for his recruiting prowess and his experiences, I think he deserves a shot at DC. Riley as an unpaid consultant on a temporary/as needed basis. I really respect that DE is mindful of not overshadowing niner. As far as institutional support of football. PLEASE email Ray and Barnes about increasing the allocation to football to at least 30% of the athletic budget. You’ll get a response from Ray, which I really appreciated. I wonder how much of that is based on Oregon's current recruiting class? Unfortunately, the place you're coaching at can determine how "good" of a recruiter people on the outside deem you to be. Not saying he's not good, just saying things change with different programs! Go Beavs!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 10:13:29 GMT -8
If Coach Smith wants a good defensive coach, but rumored to be weak on the recruiting side, I think Greg Newhouse is still in town. He was DC when Jonathan got here and later did the line the the linebackers and I think did very well with all of them.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2017 10:22:13 GMT -8
If Riley came in as a QB coach or OC, I'd be doing fricking backflips with joy.
Whatever your criticisms of the man are, he is a stellar offensive mind.
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 30, 2017 10:32:08 GMT -8
Angie Machado on the Dam Podcast yesterday called Keith Heyward a top 5 recruiter in the COUNTRY. I know it’s Angie, but for his recruiting prowess and his experiences, I think he deserves a shot at DC. Riley as an unpaid consultant on a temporary/as needed basis. I really respect that DE is mindful of not overshadowing niner. As far as institutional support of football. PLEASE email Ray and Barnes about increasing the allocation to football to at least 30% of the athletic budget. You’ll get a response from Ray, which I really appreciated. I wonder how much of that is based on Oregon's current recruiting class? Unfortunately, the place you're coaching at can determine how "good" of a recruiter people on the outside deem you to be. Not saying he's not good, just saying things change with different programs! Go Beavs! I hear ya brother, but Taggart hired a staff primarily based in one thing: recruiting. Heyward isn’t on their staff if he can’t close the deal on recruits. He’s been on staff for Louisville, UW, OSU, and USC. I think he is well thought of to get jobs at some prominent programs.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 10:34:28 GMT -8
I wouldn’t want him as OC, unless that’s really what Jonathan wants. One of the things Coach Riley said about offensive philosophies a couple years back really stuck with me... he said he used to think it was about scoring as many points as possible back in his OC days at USC, then he began to realize there’s a lot more nuance to it and it’s more of a chess game where you can use certain drives to set up the next score, and scoring every drive wasn’t necessarily the goal. I got to wondering if he may have nuanced his teams out of some wins after he made that realization. Sometimes over the years it seemed like there may be more focus on the overall game strategy than just getting it in the end zone.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2017 10:44:33 GMT -8
I wouldn’t want him as OC, unless that’s really what Jonathan wants. One of the things Coach Riley said about offensive philosophies a couple years back really stuck with me... he said he used to think it was about scoring as many points as possible back in his OC days at USC, then he began to realize there’s a lot more nuance to it and it’s more of a chess game where you can use certain drives to set up the next score, and scoring every drive wasn’t necessarily the goal. I got to wondering if he may have nuanced his teams out of some wins after he made that realization. Sometimes over the years it seemed like there may be more focus on the overall game strategy than just getting it in the end zone. That could also explain why he was capable of beating top 5 teams, and capable of losing to lower-level teams. That nuanced mentality may be the only way to defeat an elite team, and might also be the way you allow a lesser team to stick around instead of stepping on their throat. Sometimes, spamming the X button is the best approach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:54:52 GMT -8
If Riley had left OSU 10 years ago I'd be on board with him as QB coach but given how few years its been I think having him on staff would be a mistake (there are still guys on the roster recruited by Riley, you can't have them going to him over Smith and that would only be natural). As a consultant/slash guy that hangs around practice, 100% on board with that. I just think being an assistant when you were the best coach in recent memory would make it difficult for Smith. You have to set up Smith for success and although Riley can coach QBs I just feel like having him on the sidelines on Saturdays hurts Smith's credibility.
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Post by beaverdude on Nov 30, 2017 11:07:43 GMT -8
Isn't there a rule about how many coaches (paid or not) a team can have?
Niner should be able to talk to DE and MR about coaching. Would it cross the line to have an uppaid DE and/or MR actively "coaching" players?
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Post by thomasg86 on Nov 30, 2017 11:42:23 GMT -8
If we are going to take on an old coach I would prefer DE first, he hasn't been here in 15 years and still has a lot to offer coaching wise and recruiting too. I don't think his presence would undermine Jonathan.
Wouldn't be opposed to having Riley as QB coach, but, he DID recruit some of our players and that might be kind of weird. Would make more sense in a couple years.
Either way, I trust CJS to do the right thing.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2017 11:45:54 GMT -8
I wouldn’t want him as OC, unless that’s really what Jonathan wants. One of the things Coach Riley said about offensive philosophies a couple years back really stuck with me... he said he used to think it was about scoring as many points as possible back in his OC days at USC, then he began to realize there’s a lot more nuance to it and it’s more of a chess game where you can use certain drives to set up the next score, and scoring every drive wasn’t necessarily the goal. I got to wondering if he may have nuanced his teams out of some wins after he made that realization. Sometimes over the years it seemed like there may be more focus on the overall game strategy than just getting it in the end zone. That could also explain why he was capable of beating top 5 teams, and capable of losing to lower-level teams. That nuanced mentality may be the only way to defeat an elite team, and might also be the way you allow a lesser team to stick around instead of stepping on their throat. Sometimes, spamming the X button is the best approach. Ah yes, the Gary Andersen approach. Hilarious. The problem is that it almost never works against a team with superior talent or superior coaching. And almost every team that Oregon State played over the past three years had one or the other and usually both.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2017 11:53:54 GMT -8
Isn't there a rule about how many coaches (paid or not) a team can have? Niner should be able to talk to DE and MR about coaching. Would it cross the line to have an uppaid DE and/or MR actively "coaching" players? Unless things have changed in the last couple of years, a team can have one head coach, 10 assistants, and four graduate assistants. No other coach can participate at a game, practice, or other organized activity. Only the head coach and 10 assistants can participate in off-campus recruiting. Exceptions: Strength/Weight Coach. A strength/weight coach can participate at practices and in the lead-up to a game. A team can hire as many undergraduate coaches that it wishes.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2017 12:07:15 GMT -8
Compare this kind of plan to what they did att uo ? We are really stepping back, not stepping forward. Is the AD going to invest or continue to gut the program ? The search was like looking for a new home, then purchasing the one next door, then paying off the real estate agent that owned that same home. Now, for assistants, we are just going to sign up all our old neighbors.....cause they are such ' nice' people and they don't need much money. I have lost all faith and can no longer support this circus. I am out of patience and am moving on. I know I will get the snide comments from others - no big deal. I am not fishing for 'likes' or 'thumbs up' clicks, I am just expressing total frustration at what began as a wonderful opportunity with some 'timing' advantages and some actual interest. Since the direction was to tear things down, rather than make a statement... I can no longer support anything football. Some of you will say, ' we can do without your $25.00 per year donation. Well, if that makes you feel good, have at it. In fact, it is quite the opposite situation, but I am withholding money as a sign of total disatisfaction, not because I think this will hurt the program. This is OSU managing their own demise and highlighting their own failures. No matter how much money you have, or how much you put into the football program - I can see absolutely no ROI. I only invest where I can see progress. Does that mean you'll leave this site too?? Door... arse
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 30, 2017 12:09:55 GMT -8
how are we feeling on a pair of hot names. 1. Keith Heyward as DC? Personally I like the upside with his recruiting ability and energy. I am concerned he has only experience is as a secondary position coach. Pros probably outweigh the cons. What kind of defense does he run here? 2. Mike "I'm not mediocre YOU are mediocre" Riley. He is moving back to Corvallis and basically said, if Niner asks, he is listening. My thoughts are, I am fine if he has a consulting role. I worry about things if he has an actual coaching title. My main concern is I do not what him to be the shadow head coach and undermine Smith. I don't think he would actively do this, but he is the long time, experienced and savvy coach on a staff that appears to be populated with up and comers. I do think he has a lot of insight he can offer. Other rumors with steam worth talking about? 1. I'm uncertain that a first time head coach going with a first time DC would be a good idea. /shrug 2. DE/MR as anything other than a behind the scenes(not player exposed) advisor methinks is a bad idea. Smith needs to stand on his own when he's up in front of the class without having heads turn to the former head coach.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2017 12:10:39 GMT -8
I wouldn’t want him as OC, unless that’s really what Jonathan wants. One of the things Coach Riley said about offensive philosophies a couple years back really stuck with me... he said he used to think it was about scoring as many points as possible back in his OC days at USC, then he began to realize there’s a lot more nuance to it and it’s more of a chess game where you can use certain drives to set up the next score, and scoring every drive wasn’t necessarily the goal. I got to wondering if he may have nuanced his teams out of some wins after he made that realization. Sometimes over the years it seemed like there may be more focus on the overall game strategy than just getting it in the end zone. So... a person can't be all in on JS as a HC and then think he'd let MR hang around if he didn't really want him. That's not a sign of a good HC and pretty much the guy who just left. So, if JS is seen as a good hire, trust he'll make decisions on what HE wants. If MR is involved then JS is 100% behind it.
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 30, 2017 12:11:11 GMT -8
Isn't there a rule about how many coaches (paid or not) a team can have? Niner should be able to talk to DE and MR about coaching. Would it cross the line to have an uppaid DE and/or MR actively "coaching" players? Unless things have changed in the last couple of years, a team can have one head coach, 10 assistants, and four graduate assistants. No other coach can participate at a game, practice, or other organized activity. Only the head coach and 10 assistants can participate in off-campus recruiting. Exceptions: Strength/Weight Coach. A strength/weight coach can participate at practices and in the lead-up to a game. A team can hire as many undergraduate coaches that it wishes. I'm not sure what the assistant number is (I thought it was 8) but yes, it IS changing this very next season to allow 1 more spot.
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