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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2017 14:57:12 GMT -8
Talked to a great source at the press conference. He said CJS pretty much has his staff all lined up, just waiting for this weekend's games to be played for some of them and for the university hiring process to be completed on others. Shouldn't have to wait very long as they want to start recruiting next week, as he said. This guy is pretty dialed in at a high level so I'd certainly trust his info. They way he kinda smirked when he said "I'll be making some phone calls" then indicated he wants to be on the road recruiting as early as Sunday, but no later than Monday would indicate he has his people lined up and ready to go. There is so much talk about JS blew the interview out of the park, how he had detailed and specific plans. A huge part of me things he has been getting handshake agreements and support in the background for weeks now. I was a bit slow to fall in love with the idea of bringing back CJS. I've warmed up to it and am starting to fall head over heels in love with this hire. I'm not sure hiring Baldwin would have me feeling like I *have* to make it to Corvallis for games this fall.. I am already feeling that way about Smitty. I really want to be sitting in the stands for the home opener when he returns to Corvallis as the HC.
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Post by Aspira-beav on Nov 30, 2017 15:11:16 GMT -8
They way he kinda smirked when he said "I'll be making some phone calls" then indicated he wants to be on the road recruiting as early as Sunday, but no later than Monday would indicate he has his people lined up and ready to go. There is so much talk about JS blew the interview out of the park, how he had detailed and specific plans. A huge part of me things he has been getting handshake agreements and support in the background for weeks now. I was a bit slow to fall in love with the idea of bringing back CJS. I've warmed up to it and am starting to fall head over heels in love with this hire. I'm not sure hiring Baldwin would have me feeling like I *have* to make it to Corvallis for games this fall.. I am already feeling that way about Smitty. I really want to be sitting in the stands for the home opener when he returns to Corvallis as the HC. yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 15:13:59 GMT -8
Jonathan is probably fairly familiar with Baldwin. They played each other twice when JS was at Montana I believe. They also played each other when Jonathan was at UW. I would see any move here by Baldwin as a stepping stone job, and I would be OK with that.
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 30, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -8
How about we steal beau baldwin from cal and offer him a lot of money to be OC? That would be the best move for that position in my mind. Can we pull it off i dont know but we myneswell try. Then if smith fails we can hand the reins to baldwin (who I think would be a better fit for the job anyways) shelby's back!
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Post by Aspira-beav on Nov 30, 2017 15:21:40 GMT -8
They way he kinda smirked when he said "I'll be making some phone calls" then indicated he wants to be on the road recruiting as early as Sunday, but no later than Monday would indicate he has his people lined up and ready to go. There is so much talk about JS blew the interview out of the park, how he had detailed and specific plans. A huge part of me things he has been getting handshake agreements and support in the background for weeks now. I was a bit slow to fall in love with the idea of bringing back CJS. I've warmed up to it and am starting to fall head over heels in love with this hire. I'm not sure hiring Baldwin would have me feeling like I *have* to make it to Corvallis for games this fall.. I am already feeling that way about Smitty. I really want to be sitting in the stands for the home opener when he returns to Corvallis as the HC. yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire.
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Post by jim94 on Nov 30, 2017 16:01:08 GMT -8
Compare this kind of plan to what they did att uo ? We are really stepping back, not stepping forward. Is the AD going to invest or continue to gut the program ? The search was like looking for a new home, then purchasing the one next door, then paying off the real estate agent that owned that same home. Now, for assistants, we are just going to sign up all our old neighbors.....cause they are such ' nice' people and they don't need much money. I have lost all faith and can no longer support this circus. I am out of patience and am moving on. I know I will get the snide comments from others - no big deal. I am not fishing for 'likes' or 'thumbs up' clicks, I am just expressing total frustration at what began as a wonderful opportunity with some 'timing' advantages and some actual interest. Since the direction was to tear things down, rather than make a statement... I can no longer support anything football. Some of you will say, ' we can do without your $25.00 per year donation. Well, if that makes you feel good, have at it. In fact, it is quite the opposite situation, but I am withholding money as a sign of total disatisfaction, not because I think this will hurt the program. This is OSU managing their own demise and highlighting their own failures. No matter how much money you have, or how much you put into the football program - I can see absolutely no ROI. I only invest where I can see progress. Ditto...
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2017 16:26:08 GMT -8
I was a bit slow to fall in love with the idea of bringing back CJS. I've warmed up to it and am starting to fall head over heels in love with this hire. I'm not sure hiring Baldwin would have me feeling like I *have* to make it to Corvallis for games this fall.. I am already feeling that way about Smitty. I really want to be sitting in the stands for the home opener when he returns to Corvallis as the HC. yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire. I'm not a fan of Baldwin just for the simple fact that I don't think running a shotgun spread option offense is the way to go in Corvallis. Especially when 8 out of the 11 other teams are running some variation of it. I'd rather us run an offense that is more like Chris Petersen's formation, pre-snap shift, and leverage type of offense that isn't afraid to go jumbo, use an H-back, use a fullback. They make a habit of throwing speedy receivers into open grass, similarly to Erickson's vertical spread attack. Smitty's pedigree makes him very, very interesting. 6 years with Chris Petersen should have given him a lot of ammo to work with.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2017 16:40:45 GMT -8
It'd be interesting if Yarbs was tired of the NFL.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 30, 2017 16:46:36 GMT -8
Yarber was a hell of a recruiter.
Mike Johnson is working as the WR coach at Oregon, has some OC experience, hell of a recruiter as well.
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Post by dK on Nov 30, 2017 16:50:42 GMT -8
yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire. I'm not a fan of Baldwin just for the simple fact that I don't think running a shotgun spread option offense is the way to go in Corvallis. Especially when 8 out of the 11 other teams are running some variation of it. I'd rather us run an offense that is more like Chris Petersen's formation, pre-snap shift, and leverage type of offense that isn't afraid to go jumbo, use an H-back, use a fullback. They make a habit of throwing speedy receivers into open grass, similarly to Erickson's vertical spread attack. Smitty's pedigree makes him very, very interesting. 6 years with Chris Petersen should have given him a lot of ammo to work with. Agree about the spread (read) option offense. You need an incredibly athletic QB to run it at a level to compete with the big boys of college football. Those athletes are rare. If you run that offense, you need more than one maybe three to get through a season. Remember what happened to tsu when Dixon went down. Their offense became pedestrian. When Mariota got dinged up, their offense lost a lot of its pop and that was with great athletes at skill positions.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 30, 2017 16:56:18 GMT -8
If Mike Riley says he's done with the HCing thing, he just wants to come in and play a role in the Oregon State football program, I'm down for whatever role that is. Are you kidding? Mike Riley is a phenomenal "coach". He'd be an outstanding OC, and the pressure is completely off to be the face of the..well, the university, but mainly the football program. That falls on Smith now. With that said I can't imagine that happening, but the fact he's offered to step in and help, that's a positive. Mike Riley may be all hip hip hooray, but he's extremely well liked and respected, and I really don't think you ever have to worry about him stepping on anyone's toes. Give me Mike Riley and any QB in this country that has the talent to play at the next level but needs refinement...any day of the week. I wouldn't mind if Riley became QB coach. The college football (and basketball) ranks are full of fired HC's who later became top flight assistant coaches. Riley has an outstanding offensive mind. I always felt that no matter who was the OC or QB coach, it was Riley who was making sure that the offense was in good shape.
On the other hand, I always felt that Riley's system was complex enough that it really took a few years (a redshirt and freshman and sophomore seasons) for QB's to really get his system down. I sometimes wonder if some of the problems at Nebraska was that Riley did not have enough time to get his kind of QB installed and up to speed in his offense. I think a simpler system is needed for a quicker turnaround at OSU. As much as I think people will be patient with Smith, a lot of people, especially those who do not like the hire, will lose their patience quickly if Smith turns in an offense that can't get off the ground.
Other issues with Riley are that he may be past his prime and he may undermine Smith's authority in some people's eyes (especially a worry if that means players). Overall, I would trust Smith to keep his authority as the head man in good control, however.
More than anything, I would like to see Smith get an excellent DC and recruiting coordinator. Only one FBS team on our schedule scored less than 36 points against us. That was Stanford, who was missing it's Heisman-caliber running back and still had not figured out its QB (I'm still not sure whether they have, but they look better since getting Costello in there). Yes, the Pac 12 is an offensive-minded conference, but you've gotta be able to play some sort of defense.
Recruiting? Obvious.
I would love Riley to coach a position. He is a fantastic teacher. I really think if 9er, I mean Coach 9er, can get a top DC he will have sucess, he needs a DC that is good enough to run the whole program so for the first couple seasons Coach and his OC can make the offense competent.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 30, 2017 17:01:45 GMT -8
Yarber was a hell of a recruiter. Mike Johnson is working as the WR coach at Oregon, has some OC experience, hell of a recruiter as well. Not to mention, Johnson’s son is the #1 or 2 dual threat QB in next year’s senior class. That would work for me.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 30, 2017 17:02:02 GMT -8
Talked to a great source at the press conference. He said CJS pretty much has his staff all lined up, just waiting for this weekend's games to be played for some of them and for the university hiring process to be completed on others. Shouldn't have to wait very long as they want to start recruiting next week, as he said. This guy is pretty dialed in at a high level so I'd certainly trust his info. I believe it when they said niner nailed his interview and had a plan. Part of that plan I’m sure was who his staff members would be. Excited to see who he ends up getting, particularly since Barnes and Ray are loosening the purse strings on the staff salary pool. None of this surprises me at all, he was always a meticulous planner and seems to perform even better under pressure. I'm glad he was only 5'9" else he would probably have just retired from the NFL.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 30, 2017 17:03:51 GMT -8
I believe it when they said niner nailed his interview and had a plan. Part of that plan I’m sure was who his staff members would be. Excited to see who he ends up getting, particularly since Barnes and Ray are loosening the purse strings on the staff salary pool. None of this surprises me at all, he was always a meticulous planner and seems to perform even better under pressure. I'm glad he was only 5'9" else he would probably have just retired from the NFL. You now possess the perfect avatar... 9er/CJS/"pumpkin head"
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 30, 2017 17:08:13 GMT -8
yah your right I guess I should be more positive. If smith really is as dialed in as people say then this could turn out well. So yah the idea is growing on me as well the more I learn about the guy however I do think having beau baldwin as a OC would be an amazing hire. I'm not a fan of Baldwin just for the simple fact that I don't think running a shotgun spread option offense is the way to go in Corvallis. Especially when 8 out of the 11 other teams are running some variation of it. I'd rather us run an offense that is more like Chris Petersen's formation, pre-snap shift, and leverage type of offense that isn't afraid to go jumbo, use an H-back, use a fullback. They make a habit of throwing speedy receivers into open grass, similarly to Erickson's vertical spread attack. Smitty's pedigree makes him very, very interesting. 6 years with Chris Petersen should have given him a lot of ammo to work with. Me two, I think running more "problem" plays, with shifts, sweeps, and play action. Relying on great execution and preparation, which you can teach. Rather than just athletic ability which everyone has in different proportions. Really OSU is always going to need to be a "finesse" type of team to compete. I can't see a future roster playing "smash mouth" just don't have the bodies.
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