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Post by beaverjuice on Dec 13, 2017 14:25:05 GMT -8
It would have been interesting to see Baldwin's CSU offense put in place that first year, without gutting the roster of all our QB talent. I thought Baldwin was the reason we changed our offensive system to the extent the QBs that left were effectively shown the door...? I would be surprised if that was true. I remember in those early press conferences where Anderson was spouting off on having a quarterback that could run, and spreading the field, ect... Baldwin had never run a read option offense before, to my knowledge. Garret Grayson's stat line under Baldwin in 2014 was out of this world. 4006 yards, 64.3%, 32 TD 7 Int. To me it seems like Gary was calling the shots on offense. We had the pieces in place to run Baldwin's CSU offense, El Dio, Villamin, Bolden, Mullaney, Woods, Nall. Gary decided to push the reset button, then continued to press over and over until he resigned. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 13, 2017 14:56:35 GMT -8
From what I understand, there was a whole bunch of micromanaging that came from CGA and that caused some serious friction. CGA wanted to run the spread option offense at Wisconsin and Barry effectively told him no - this is a chunk of why he left Wisky. He was given autonomy at Oregon State to install whatever offense and defense he chose - and what he wanted to run was a shotgun set spread option offense with a 3-4 defense.
The problem is, he dictated to his staff what systems on offense and defense that he wanted to run, with almost total disregard for the "fit" of the players that he had in place for those systems, as well as the coaching staff he had in place to teach it.
I guess the same could be said about what Riley did in Lincoln. Maybe he figured he did it with Pettibone's players, so why not do it again?
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2017 16:43:15 GMT -8
From what I understand, there was a whole bunch of micromanaging that came from CGA and that caused some serious friction. CGA wanted to run the spread option offense at Wisconsin and Barry effectively told him no - this is a chunk of why he left Wisky. He was given autonomy at Oregon State to install whatever offense and defense he chose - and what he wanted to run was a shotgun set spread option offense with a 3-4 defense. The problem is, he dictated to his staff what systems on offense and defense that he wanted to run, with almost total disregard for the "fit" of the players that he had in place for those systems, as well as the coaching staff he had in place to teach it. I guess the same could be said about what Riley did in Lincoln. Maybe he figured he did it with Pettibone's players, so why not do it again? The big difference is that Riley took those players and after two years won five games and we (rightly) REJOICED! Nebraska fans expectations are... lets just say, not five wins  |
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 13, 2017 17:11:39 GMT -8
From what I understand, there was a whole bunch of micromanaging that came from CGA and that caused some serious friction. CGA wanted to run the spread option offense at Wisconsin and Barry effectively told him no - this is a chunk of why he left Wisky. He was given autonomy at Oregon State to install whatever offense and defense he chose - and what he wanted to run was a shotgun set spread option offense with a 3-4 defense. The problem is, he dictated to his staff what systems on offense and defense that he wanted to run, with almost total disregard for the "fit" of the players that he had in place for those systems, as well as the coaching staff he had in place to teach it. I guess the same could be said about what Riley did in Lincoln. Maybe he figured he did it with Pettibone's players, so why not do it again? MR did win 9 games last year in Lincoln. Won 7 and a bowl his first. Having a new DC forced on him this year had a lot to do with the final results. Bankers D gave them a much better chance to beat Wisconsin and Iowa the two teams they really needed to beat. From the few articles I've read, it appears that program has a lot of dysfunction from within and MR was being micromanaged on football decisions. It also appears Tom Osborn may have been working behind the scenes to facilitate Frost's return. The sellout streak seems to be more important than actually building to win and the longer they can string fans along before they finally realize in the BIG the chances of them winning conference championships like they did in the Big12 are slim to none. Their loss is our gain. |
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 13, 2017 19:19:32 GMT -8
I know someone brought this up in one of the threads below, but I wanted to highlight this. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but Scott Barnes is allocating the SAME amount of money to the Head Coach and Assistants as with CGA and staff. WTF - This should put us uhmmmm at the bottom of the Pac - 12 or close. Oh and we will have 1 more Assistant coaches this year and paying the SAME for the staff. Seems to me SB is shrinking our budget in relationship to everyone else. Makes me think that hiring JS was a budget decision that could be spun into a very convincing marketing pitch "local boy comes back". The optics on this look real bad to me. Now to be fair, there may be more dollars put into behind the scenes salaries that we are unaware of. If that is the case, I would think someone from OSU would want to shout that at the top of our lungs so our recruits can here that. Sadly, the mice in VFC are making more noise than SB and ER. As much as everyone wants to believe that last season was all CGA's fault, it goes much deeper than that. (Just look at CGA's record at Wisconsin. The big difference is the amount of financial support given to each school.) Just so we can deal with these excuses from the Athletic Department. 1. Attendance is down. Yep, that is true also from almost every other school in the country including Tennesse, Texas A&M, Michigan, and Ohio State. 2. TV revenue is not as much as was expected. Yep, no different than every other school in the PAC-12. Seems CAL and WSU still did better than us. 3. List any other excuse, and I can find someone who is figuring it out better than we are. FOOTBALL is the sport that pays for every other sport (Men's Basketball and Men's Baseball may be slightly profitable or break even). It should be imperative that financial support be brought up to the same percentages (based on percent of budget) as other PAC-12 schools. We all love those feel good stories from the minor sports, but we should not be squeezing football for them. Your our are correct. Many on this board believe a coaching change will solve our problems . Well it won't. Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university is the problem and until they reinvest in the program that generates the majority of our revenues we are not going anywhere. Some folks on the board can't comprehend you get what you pay for, and we will get exactly what we pay for. We may have a good season on occasion, however we will consistently pull up the "rear" until there are changes made at the top. :::rolls eyes:::: |
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 13, 2017 19:22:36 GMT -8
OSU football has recorded only 11 winning seasons in the past 47 years (0.234 winning season percentage) and men’s basketball has only 4 winning seasons in the last 27 years (0.148 winning season percentage). No other Power 5 program has a combined record of futility in the two top revenue producing sports.
But is this the fault of Ed Ray? Dr. Ray has only been here for the latter part of those long streaks of poor football and basketball. If you remember, he raised over a billion for the university and built many buildings, and created one of the top Ecampus programs in the nation. Part of that billion went to the new side of Reser and subsequent athletic projects. On his watch, OSU has had two national championships in baseball, more bowl games than any other OSU president, and a final four women's basketball team. Under president Ray, OSU has one of the highest institutional subsidy of sports. The question that you should be asking is how that money was spent.
Presidents, athletic directors, coaches and the players come and go, but the one constant over time in the program is the FANS. These multi-decade problems can't be attributed to a president, or any athletic department employee. This is a systemic deep-seated problem and the solution is transformational change of our programs and expectations of the fan base.
The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.”
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Dec 13, 2017 19:33:16 GMT -8
That is interesting information...! (The part about Baldwin not having experience running what CGA wanted to run, etc.) Thanks guys!!! I did not research what Baldwin had exactly done previously, beyond where he had been. Assumed that he was an expert in what CGA wanted to run....
Just remember CGA saying he wanted QBs that could Run, Throw and Think (or words to that effect). Sounded good... And, seems like we had one good young kid / Riley recruit that had committed to OSU for QB that was rallying to try and keep all other OSU recruits together and committed to OSU after the change. Felt bad for him that CGA told him the decision on him would be left up to the OC when hired. And when Baldwin came aboard the told him they are cutting the scholarship offer... It was obvious CGA (and/or Baldwin) didn’t want to keep him, and didn’t think he would fit the system we were going to run. And maybe he would not have... Always wondered where he turned up and how he did.
Anyhow thanks for the info... My daughter was finishing up HS/Club volleyball around that time and I remember the mess of trying to get scholarships and places for college, and remember thinking what a mess a change in coaches would make. Enough other factors that can affect things beyond your control.
Totally changing “systems” immediately, without regard for those currently in the system, just means you are going to lose a lot of games. SO GLAD that CJS has committed to doing the best with those we have onboard now. Very excited to see what Coach Johnathan Smith can do to turn things around for us!
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2017 20:05:42 GMT -8
Your our are correct. Many on this board believe a coaching change will solve our problems . Well it won't. Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university is the problem and until they reinvest in the program that generates the majority of our revenues we are not going anywhere. Some folks on the board can't comprehend you get what you pay for, and we will get exactly what we pay for. We may have a good season on occasion, however we will consistently pull up the "rear" until there are changes made at the top. Good Lord... Some people. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 13, 2017 20:18:32 GMT -8
I know someone brought this up in one of the threads below, but I wanted to highlight this. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but Scott Barnes is allocating the SAME amount of money to the Head Coach and Assistants as with CGA and staff. WTF - This should put us uhmmmm at the bottom of the Pac - 12 or close. Oh and we will have 1 more Assistant coaches this year and paying the SAME for the staff. Seems to me SB is shrinking our budget in relationship to everyone else. Makes me think that hiring JS was a budget decision that could be spun into a very convincing marketing pitch "local boy comes back". The optics on this look real bad to me. Now to be fair, there may be more dollars put into behind the scenes salaries that we are unaware of. If that is the case, I would think someone from OSU would want to shout that at the top of our lungs so our recruits can here that. Sadly, the mice in VFC are making more noise than SB and ER. As much as everyone wants to believe that last season was all CGA's fault, it goes much deeper than that. (Just look at CGA's record at Wisconsin. The big difference is the amount of financial support given to each school.) Just so we can deal with these excuses from the Athletic Department. 1. Attendance is down. Yep, that is true also from almost every other school in the country including Tennesse, Texas A&M, Michigan, and Ohio State. 2. TV revenue is not as much as was expected. Yep, no different than every other school in the PAC-12. Seems CAL and WSU still did better than us. 3. List any other excuse, and I can find someone who is figuring it out better than we are. FOOTBALL is the sport that pays for every other sport (Men's Basketball and Men's Baseball may be slightly profitable or break even). It should be imperative that financial support be brought up to the same percentages (based on percent of budget) as other PAC-12 schools. We all love those feel good stories from the minor sports, but we should not be squeezing football for them. Your our are correct. Many on this board believe a coaching change will solve our problems . Well it won't. Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university is the problem and until they reinvest in the program that generates the majority of our revenues we are not going anywhere. Some folks on the board can't comprehend you get what you pay for, and we will get exactly what we pay for. We may have a good season on occasion, however we will consistently pull up the "rear" until there are changes made at the top. First I'm not sure how you could hope to top "Your our are correct." in illiterate stupidity but darned if you didn't up the stakes 2 sentences/15 words later.
"Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university..."
When was that - 1930?
I suggest you should try this board: angrybeavs.com/ Lots more like-minded pals for you to play with over there.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 14, 2017 1:24:53 GMT -8
First I'm not sure how you could hope to top "Your our are correct." in illiterate stupidity but darned if you didn't up the stakes 2 sentences/15 words later.
"Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university..."
When was that - 1930?
I suggest you should try this board: angrybeavs.com/ Lots more like-minded pals for you to play with over there.
Well... at least the dude is consistent and leaves no doubt in his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^. It is just nonstop and it helps me understand how we are where we are today... just WOW. |
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Post by csb85 on Dec 14, 2017 6:10:02 GMT -8
Well... at least the dude is consistent and leaves no doubt in his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^. It is just nonstop and it helps me understand how we are where we are today... just WOW. I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Facts are not facts just because you say they are. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2017 7:16:15 GMT -8
And wax is not wax.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 14, 2017 7:37:28 GMT -8
I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Facts are not facts just because you say they are. I can't imagine living my life believing in a boogie man that is responsible for all of society's ills. Unless of course that boogie man is people in general... because yes, people suck and are the ones causing all the problems around here! As the saying goes, when everywhere you go it smells like s%#t... it is time to look under your shoes. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 14, 2017 7:46:50 GMT -8
Well... at least the dude is consistent and leaves no doubt in his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^. It is just nonstop and it helps me understand how we are where we are today... just WOW. I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Please close your mouth when you chew. |
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Post by osuft3 on Dec 14, 2017 8:04:36 GMT -8
OSU football has recorded only 11 winning seasons in the past 47 years (0.234 winning season percentage) and men’s basketball has only 4 winning seasons in the last 27 years (0.148 winning season percentage). No other Power 5 program has a combined record of futility in the two top revenue producing sports. But is this the fault of Ed Ray? Dr. Ray has only been here for the latter part of those long streaks of poor football and basketball. If you remember, he raised over a billion for the university and built many buildings, and created one of the top Ecampus programs in the nation. Part of that billion went to the new side of Reser and subsequent athletic projects. On his watch, OSU has had two national championships in baseball, more bowl games than any other OSU president, and a final four women's basketball team. Under president Ray, OSU has one of the highest institutional subsidy of sports. The question that you should be asking is how that money was spent. Presidents, athletic directors, coaches and the players come and go, but the one constant over time in the program is the FANS. These multi-decade problems can't be attributed to a president, or any athletic department employee. This is a systemic deep-seated problem and the solution is transformational change of our programs and expectations of the fan base. The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” Absolutely. Believers want to believe and quitters want to quit. |
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