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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 14, 2017 8:11:59 GMT -8
OSU football has recorded only 11 winning seasons in the past 47 years (0.234 winning season percentage) and men’s basketball has only 4 winning seasons in the last 27 years (0.148 winning season percentage). No other Power 5 program has a combined record of futility in the two top revenue producing sports. But is this the fault of Ed Ray? Dr. Ray has only been here for the latter part of those long streaks of poor football and basketball. If you remember, he raised over a billion for the university and built many buildings, and created one of the top Ecampus programs in the nation. Part of that billion went to the new side of Reser and subsequent athletic projects. On his watch, OSU has had two national championships in baseball, more bowl games than any other OSU president, and a final four women's basketball team. Under president Ray, OSU has one of the highest institutional subsidy of sports. The question that you should be asking is how that money was spent. Presidents, athletic directors, coaches and the players come and go, but the one constant over time in the program is the FANS. These multi-decade problems can't be attributed to a president, or any athletic department employee. This is a systemic deep-seated problem and the solution is transformational change of our programs and expectations of the fan base. The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” Absolutely. Believers want to believe and quitters want to quit. Platitude
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 14, 2017 9:05:53 GMT -8
Well... at least the dude is consistent and leaves no doubt in his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^. It is just nonstop and it helps me understand how we are where we are today... just WOW. I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Where's the return on investment from finishing the west side? I'd love to see a symmetrical stadium, but when you have limited resources, put them where you get the best return. What return would we get?
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Post by nabeav on Dec 14, 2017 9:06:24 GMT -8
This idea that Beaver fans who were content during the 2000s with 7-9 wins don't think they can be a great team is ridiculous. So if I don't think OSU can win the Pac-12 every season and compete for a national title on a regular basis, I'm a quitter? This is honestly insulting to me. I bought season tickets every year. When we went in the tank, I didn't think "well that proves it...only Smilin' Mike can win here." All it proved to me is what I'd thought all along: that Gary Andersen was a bad fit for Corvallis and Oregon State.
Oregon State should strive for excellence, absolutely. It should expect to be able to compete with any team, any time, any place. Sometimes you lose games you should win, sometimes you win games you should lose. It happens.
What shouldn't happen is what happened the last three years: a team that was ill prepared, disinterested, and just plain bad. I've said this before: from the time I got to OSU in 1997 through 2014, there wasn't a time that the Beavs took the field that I thought we had zero chance of winning. I thought it was unlikely, but I still thought "if things go right and we catch a few breaks, we've got a shot." From about the second quarter of the Michigan game in 2015 on, I expected losses nearly every time we took the field, with the exception of the FCS games and maybe Arizona and Oregon at the end of 2016.
This idea that if I'm pissed off with Las Vegas Bowls because they aren't Alamo Bowls, or Alamo Bowls because they aren't Rose Bowls that I'm a better fan or that I'm somehow helping make OSU great again is crap. Show up on Saturdays, wear your orange and black year round, greet other orange clad people with a "Go Beavs" when you see them in airports or at Disneyland, post on the message boards, call the radio shows and question why we didn't go for it on 4th and 2....that's what's going to make us great again, not holding the program to some far-fetched expectation because you're jealous that your Duck friend went to two nattys and you didn't get to.
That's all this is: jealousy. We love to point out that Oregon only started a baseball program because we were good at baseball and they were jealous. That's what all this "Riley was mediocre, he lost 8 straight to the Ducks, we need to be edgier" junk is and was. We all peeked over the fence and saw the neighbor's newly manicured lawn and Brazilian wood deck furniture around the hot tub with bluetooth speakers and LED mood lighting and said "it's not fair that we don't have that too" and started resenting our perfectly good above ground pool that our kids love playing in and super comfortable and affordable chairs from Ikea.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 14, 2017 9:56:00 GMT -8
This idea that if I'm pissed off with Las Vegas Bowls because they aren't Alamo Bowls, or Alamo Bowls because they aren't Rose Bowls that I'm a better fan that I'm somehow a better fan that helping make OSU great again is crap. Show up on Saturdays, wear your orange and black year round, greet other orange clad people with a "Go Beavs" when you see them in airports or at Disneyland, post on the message boards, call the radio shows and question why we didn't go for it on 4th and 2....that's what's going to make us great again, not holding the program to some far-fetched expectation because you're jealous that your Duck friend went to two nattys and you didn't get to. Excellent post Jerk. If you can not play at a high level or coach players to play at that level, the most effective way to help the Beavers is write large checks to BASF. Absent of that, the next best thing is to buy tickets and attend games. I was lucky enough to go the Duke - Southern basketball game the weekend before thanksgiving. It was a nothing game for them. Yet the two tickets cost about $250 for the top row of Cameron. There were some strong similarities to Gill and where students sit. The gates opened up an hour before game time. As a guess, there are 1200 courtside and low-level end zone seats for students and then another 1000 seats for students in a corner. The courtside and end zone seats were full when I first looked at the court, 55 minutes before game time. It reminded me of my student time at OSU in the 80's - except for the location of the seats. Now extrapolating, if I was a four-star basketball recruit with offers from half the Pac-12, that type of environment would go a long ways in my decision process. Better players equal more wins. More wins lead to possibly getting guys who leave early for the NBA or NFL. So to sum up, if you are unhappy with OSU's success rate, don't blame it on a "liberal" college administration. Blame it on yourself for not supporting the athletic programs in the most effective way possible.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 14, 2017 9:57:46 GMT -8
Absolutely. Believers want to believe and quitters want to quit. Platitude hmmmm, I'd say "trust the process" is an example of a platitude.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 14, 2017 10:48:47 GMT -8
I'm a Beaver alum, got my degrees here, spent many days attending the best and worst sports had to offer, but have never wavered in my allegiance or my belief in this school and the people who helped me get my education and who earned my loyalty as a fan of all things OSU. Sometimes it's not so good, and sometimes it's awesome, but its Oregon State all the time and that is what matters! Go Beavs!
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Post by prothro on Dec 14, 2017 11:04:22 GMT -8
I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Where's the return on investment from finishing the west side? I'd love to see a symmetrical stadium, but when you have limited resources, put them where you get the best return. What return would we get? Good point. You can't spend money you don't have in the account unless you receive the required donations, generate the necessary revenue, or get the kind of loan that will not injure your athletic department over the long term. I love Clemson's set-up with its emphasis on making the football workplace fun with the type of amusements people enjoy in their down time. If there is a way OSU can take a part of that paradigm and put it in play for our athletes, then I would love to see it happen. But that environment takes an incredible amount of money to create and maintain, requiring a level of funding Oregon State doesn't have right now. Some of these issues would be partially-resolved with some competence at the conference level when it comes to selling media rights. No excuse for a P5 conference to have the modern-day equivalent of 1970s exposure on nationwide television. Stronger management of those conference-level rights would give Oregon State a bit more room to maneuver in competing in terms of investment. Problem is that by the time the present contracts are up for renegotiation, the landscape of sports broadcasting may well be such that the big-money national cable deals won by the SEC and Big 10 in recent years will simply not be there for the PAC 12. The Disney-Fox deal could lead to a buyer's market at that time: one organization with the money, the latitude, and the strength to name both their price...and ours.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 14, 2017 13:07:43 GMT -8
OSU football has recorded only 11 winning seasons in the past 47 years (0.234 winning season percentage) and men’s basketball has only 4 winning seasons in the last 27 years (0.148 winning season percentage). No other Power 5 program has a combined record of futility in the two top revenue producing sports. But is this the fault of Ed Ray? Dr. Ray has only been here for the latter part of those long streaks of poor football and basketball. If you remember, he raised over a billion for the university and built many buildings, and created one of the top Ecampus programs in the nation. Part of that billion went to the new side of Reser and subsequent athletic projects. On his watch, OSU has had two national championships in baseball, more bowl games than any other OSU president, and a final four women's basketball team. Under president Ray, OSU has one of the highest institutional subsidy of sports. The question that you should be asking is how that money was spent. Presidents, athletic directors, coaches and the players come and go, but the one constant over time in the program is the FANS. These multi-decade problems can't be attributed to a president, or any athletic department employee. This is a systemic deep-seated problem and the solution is transformational change of our programs and expectations of the fan base. The biggest impediment holding back OSU's athletics and the fan base is the attitude that "we can't.” Absolutely. Believers want to believe and quitters want to quit. Before and during the "quitting" process includes "blaming others" for all their and society's woes. Lol... and "the Pat guy" runs a biz... yah.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 14, 2017 14:43:19 GMT -8
Well... at least the dude is consistent and leaves no doubt in his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^. It is just nonstop and it helps me understand how we are where we are today... just WOW. I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Alright I'm mostly convinced this is purely a troll account now.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 14, 2017 14:46:39 GMT -8
I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Alright I'm mostly convinced this is purely a troll account now. I was convinced by springfieldpatricia's second or third post.
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 14, 2017 14:59:43 GMT -8
I know you socialists would prefer you only have like minded opinions on this board, you gain a lot of your self worth and confirmation from mingling only with folks who agree with you. Half a stadium, 11th or 12th in coaching salaries (Football, comprende?), lack of investment in your business segment that generates all the revenue? It doesn't take a rocket rocket scientist to figure out the result, but then again when you have never run a real business you would not comprehend it. I think ill stay on the board. Go Beavs Ps. I put in a repeating word for those teachers and profs out there that cant deal with facts so they critique grammar on a chat board. Alright I'm mostly convinced this is purely a troll account now. Fuzz? Gordo? Sven?
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 14, 2017 15:15:46 GMT -8
Alright I'm mostly convinced this is purely a troll account now. Fuzz? Gordo? Sven? you're the wizard behind the curtain these days.. can I get an IP check please??
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Post by obf on Dec 14, 2017 16:09:38 GMT -8
First I'm not sure how you could hope to top "Your our are correct." in illiterate stupidity but darned if you didn't up the stakes 2 sentences/15 words later.
"Ed Ray and the liberal socialist administration that has assumed control of our once conservative university..."
When was that - 1930?
I suggest you should try this board: angrybeavs.com/ Lots more like-minded pals for you to play with over there.
And here we are, not even a week later, and even Mr. AngryPants himself is begrudgingly coming around on "Mediocre Mike" and "Jonathan Riley" HaHaHa, that was quick.... what a tool. It's like it finally clicked in his brain that Mike was NOT coming back as head coach... and is still a great asset to the university.... Next mircle we see will be DIT calling the JBS to recant the epic rant he had last week
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 14, 2017 16:12:54 GMT -8
you're the wizard behind the curtain these days.. can I get an IP check please?? that takes all the mystery out of it...
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