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Post by korculabeav on Dec 17, 2017 21:13:07 GMT -8
Sounds like it is done deal. Who knows when it'll become public though. I like it. A little revenge on Chryst for him walking out on MR over a decade ago
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Post by obf on Dec 17, 2017 21:18:13 GMT -8
To hear Barry Alvarez tell it... Gary Andersen was one of his greatest blunders, and was happy to have the Beavs "solve" that problem for him... Don't let QA sully your opinion of the football factory that is Wiscy... After Alvarez get the better of BDC last time, though, I fear that Wiscy is not putting up more of a fight for a reason. Or we can hope that Alvarez doesn't make many mistakes... and after Gary he is vetting his coaches / assistants even closer
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 17, 2017 22:03:19 GMT -8
To hear Barry Alvarez tell it... Gary Andersen was one of his greatest blunders, and was happy to have the Beavs "solve" that problem for him... Don't let QA sully your opinion of the football factory that is Wiscy... After Alvarez get the better of BDC last time, though, I fear that Wiscy is not putting up more of a fight for a reason. Just speculation, obviously, but when a guy gets passed over twice for the position of DC at Wisconsin (and Chryst hires really good people instead of Tibesar for that role). I can see a guy who has been a successful DC before jumping at the chance to do it somewhere else. The Badgers current DC did very well again this year, and so Tibesar would likely have to go outside to get the promotion for the foreseeable future. Short of demoting Leonhard, what could Alvarez, Chryst and Co. offer to counter the chance to be a DC at OSU and get a substantial pay raise?
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 17, 2017 22:09:48 GMT -8
Being from Wisky, does he wear "Big Boy Pants" ?? Sorry could not resist. Tweeeeeeeet! 15 yard penalty for unBeaverlike conduct!! Go Beavs!!
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Post by babeav on Dec 17, 2017 22:13:52 GMT -8
Just for the sake of argument let's say those 4 universities were looking to get rid of these guys for under performance. Lute Olsen recommended Jay John to OSU.......UGH.probably good hires but I'll take a wait and see attitude.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Dec 17, 2017 22:25:56 GMT -8
Just for the sake of argument let's say those 4 universities were looking to get rid of these guys for under performance. Lute Olsen recommended Jay John to OSU.......UGH.probably good hires but I'll take a wait and see attitude. Well we never can know for certain, so for anybody (coach, recruit, etc.) your “wait and see” approach is probably wise. But I suspect (and maybe the word is “hope”) our coaching staff has some experience with some or most of these guys.
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Post by jimbeav on Dec 17, 2017 22:26:02 GMT -8
Certainly looks qualified on paper, and he _should_ do well I think, but also has a varied history with many short stops that makes it hard to gauge the results we might expect. His last DC gig was at Purdue for one season in 2012. That was under 4th-year HC Danny Hope, who went 6-7 that year before getting fired after they lost their bowl game against Oklahoma State 58-14 (ouch). Purdue's D had mixed results that year against the big-name schools in the Big 10, holding Ohio State to 29 but giving up 44 to Michigan and 44 to Minnesota. Incidentally, Purdue's new coach the following year went 1-11. Whoops.
Wikipedia says Purdue ran a 4-3 in 2012, so let's hope that's what we can look forward to (personally, I think a 3-4 defense is fool's gold for a school like OSU).
Here's hoping he comes here with the knowledge of what it takes to produce one of the top defenses in the country after his experience at Wiscy...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by blackbug on Dec 18, 2017 1:21:02 GMT -8
If true.... solid solid hire. Coach Smith has grabbed coaches from Colorado, Arizona, Wisconsin & Nebraska. Very impressed so far with his staff I am only impressed by the Colorado and Arizona pulls from the Oregon State perspective. These 2 were lateral moves so we were seen as a more attractive location for many reasons. We we're able to get fired coaches last at Nebraska, we had no competition from Nebraska. This doesn't mean the value isn't there, but I don't see them being grabbed from Nebraska, they were unemployed. Let me reiterate that doesn't mean these are bad coaches, let's be realistic what the competition was and yes there was competition. I am not impressed with grabbing Tibesar from Wisconsin. I would hope that 8 times out of 10 we can convince a coach to come here with a promotion like that. Tibesar has many qualifications and looks like a good hire. I am just not impressed with our ability to grab him from Wisconsin with the circumstances. The article appears on the surface to say that Breckterfield was not interested in the DC position, which would be disappointing if true.
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Post by thewizard on Dec 18, 2017 7:24:33 GMT -8
Can he really be any worse than Banker?
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Post by ee1990 on Dec 18, 2017 7:36:12 GMT -8
On paper (the big caveat), looks like a great choice. Of course, it'll be awhile before anyone confirms it. (I think) Agreed. This is an easy to like hire. Go Beavs!
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Post by thetruebeav on Dec 18, 2017 8:12:32 GMT -8
If true.... solid solid hire. Coach Smith has grabbed coaches from Colorado, Arizona, Wisconsin & Nebraska. Very impressed so far with his staff I am only impressed by the Colorado and Arizona pulls from the Oregon State perspective. These 2 were lateral moves so we were seen as a more attractive location for many reasons. We we're able to get fired coaches last at Nebraska, we had no competition from Nebraska. This doesn't mean the value isn't there, but I don't see them being grabbed from Nebraska, they were unemployed. Let me reiterate that doesn't mean these are bad coaches, let's be realistic what the competition was and yes there was competition. I am not impressed with grabbing Tibesar from Wisconsin. I would hope that 8 times out of 10 we can convince a coach to come here with a promotion like that. Tibesar has many qualifications and looks like a good hire. I am just not impressed with our ability to grab him from Wisconsin with the circumstances. The article appears on the surface to say that Breckterfield was not interested in the DC position, which would be disappointing if true. Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 18, 2017 8:24:34 GMT -8
I am only impressed by the Colorado and Arizona pulls from the Oregon State perspective. These 2 were lateral moves so we were seen as a more attractive location for many reasons. We we're able to get fired coaches last at Nebraska, we had no competition from Nebraska. This doesn't mean the value isn't there, but I don't see them being grabbed from Nebraska, they were unemployed. Let me reiterate that doesn't mean these are bad coaches, let's be realistic what the competition was and yes there was competition. I am not impressed with grabbing Tibesar from Wisconsin. I would hope that 8 times out of 10 we can convince a coach to come here with a promotion like that. Tibesar has many qualifications and looks like a good hire. I am just not impressed with our ability to grab him from Wisconsin with the circumstances. The article appears on the surface to say that Breckterfield was not interested in the DC position, which would be disappointing if true. Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!! Trent Bray absolutely is a good pull and he would of had his choice of likely many jobs had he hit the open market. Do not underestimate the Bray hire. The opinion of Tibesar seems to be mixed. Some Whisky fans a mad he is leaving, they view him as a good coach. Others, of course, say good riddance. The angle I am interested is the why he didn't replace Wilcox. According to some at Wisconsin, he was the choice, then ultimately they hired Leonhard because according to rumors, the players liked him better. Leonhard is younger... and has almost zero coaching experience. He played in the NFL for 10 years though, making it as a UDFA. So that is interesting, and probably the driving factor for Tibesar to apply for other jobs. By all measurses, it appears he is perfectly qualified, but that angle that the players didn't like him as much has me mildly concerned. But in the end, I trust JS. more so, I trust that Niner is going to pick coaches of high character. I just can't see him having patience for anybody on his staff that is a tool.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 18, 2017 8:33:08 GMT -8
I am only impressed by the Colorado and Arizona pulls from the Oregon State perspective. These 2 were lateral moves so we were seen as a more attractive location for many reasons. We we're able to get fired coaches last at Nebraska, we had no competition from Nebraska. This doesn't mean the value isn't there, but I don't see them being grabbed from Nebraska, they were unemployed. Let me reiterate that doesn't mean these are bad coaches, let's be realistic what the competition was and yes there was competition. I am not impressed with grabbing Tibesar from Wisconsin. I would hope that 8 times out of 10 we can convince a coach to come here with a promotion like that. Tibesar has many qualifications and looks like a good hire. I am just not impressed with our ability to grab him from Wisconsin with the circumstances. The article appears on the surface to say that Breckterfield was not interested in the DC position, which would be disappointing if true. Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!! Agreed. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the staff (I guess cautiously optimistic given that I was excited about some of the hires last time around). My knee jerk reaction when JS was hired was that the staff would probably be made up of ex-Beavs and mid-major assistants that JS worked with at earlier stops. The fact that we are building a staff with quality guys from other P5 schools certainly gives us some credibility out on the recruiting trail.
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Post by rockybeav on Dec 18, 2017 8:52:40 GMT -8
Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!! Trent Bray absolutely is a good pull and he would of had his choice of likely many jobs had he hit the open market. Do not underestimate the Bray hire. The opinion of Tibesar seems to be mixed. Some Whisky fans a mad he is leaving, they view him as a good coach. Others, of course, say good riddance. The angle I am interested is the why he didn't replace Wilcox. According to some at Wisconsin, he was the choice, then ultimately they hired Leonhard because according to rumors, the players liked him better. Leonhard is younger... and has almost zero coaching experience. He played in the NFL for 10 years though, making it as a UDFA. So that is interesting, and probably the driving factor for Tibesar to apply for other jobs. By all measurses, it appears he is perfectly qualified, but that angle that the players didn't like him as much has me mildly concerned. But in the end, I trust JS. more so, I trust that Niner is going to pick coaches of high character. I just can't see him having patience for anybody on his staff that is a tool. Getting passed over for a promotion twice would certainly make me look elsewhere. Interesting about Leonhard getting promoted over Tibesar due to being more likeable. Then again, maybe Tibesar is more technical and drives the players harder? I agree with you in that CJS wouldn’t hire someone he Didn’t think would get along nicely with others. I always look at Saban when thinking about players and how much they like their coaches. In my personal experiences (not just sports) some of the best leaders I had were those who pushed me hard to be my best. I didn’t always appreciate it until afterwards though. Saban probably wouldn’t be listed as a favorite of most players or assistants, but he makes everyone around him better. I would think Tibesar would have good connections for bringing in assistants. Any ideas on how he is as a recruiter?
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Post by blackbug on Dec 18, 2017 9:20:46 GMT -8
I am only impressed by the Colorado and Arizona pulls from the Oregon State perspective. These 2 were lateral moves so we were seen as a more attractive location for many reasons. We we're able to get fired coaches last at Nebraska, we had no competition from Nebraska. This doesn't mean the value isn't there, but I don't see them being grabbed from Nebraska, they were unemployed. Let me reiterate that doesn't mean these are bad coaches, let's be realistic what the competition was and yes there was competition. I am not impressed with grabbing Tibesar from Wisconsin. I would hope that 8 times out of 10 we can convince a coach to come here with a promotion like that. Tibesar has many qualifications and looks like a good hire. I am just not impressed with our ability to grab him from Wisconsin with the circumstances. The article appears on the surface to say that Breckterfield was not interested in the DC position, which would be disappointing if true. Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!! Let me try again. I guess I did not communicate well. My post had very little to do with the quality of the coaches, which looks above average for us(to me). It is about the perception of grabbing coaches from other schools. It is impressive to get a P5 coach to make a lateral move here as found in 2 of the situations. We were not competing with Nebraska for Riley or Bray so it is not accurate, to me, to say we grabbed them from Nebraska. I have no clue who we were competing with on Bray. With Riley, if I were to guess, we were competing with 2 schools UCLA and either Michigan or Wisconsin. Tibesar has the experience and past results to be a good DC here. On the surface pulling a DC from a lesser conference is usually equivalent to pulling a position coach from a P5 in terms of quality, but Tibesar has been a DC at a P5 before. This does not change the fact that we should be able to able to easily obtain coaches from other schools when promoting them. So the real competition with Tibesar was any school willing to promote like we were and Wisconsin was not one of those schools. To sum up we do not disagree on the coaches other than where we are grabbing them from.
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