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Post by beavadelic on Dec 18, 2017 9:51:22 GMT -8
Blackbug...thx for your opinions and I guess time will tell on hires but I disagree with your take. Tisebar has been successful every place he has been, coached in 2 pro leagues & been a DC multiple places. I couldn't be more thrilled on this experienced hire on the defensive side. Bray is a very well respected coach and recruiter. He would have been hired either by OSU or someone else. This bring us to Riley.... wow pretty good resume for an assistant coach. Again, on paper I think Coach Smith is killing it! But as we all know, coaching is so much more.... they have to be able to mesh together as a staff, recruit, coach kids up etc. I'm so excited to see the next hires at WR, DL & secondary coaches. If it's any like the other hires...COUNT ME IN!! Trent Bray absolutely is a good pull and he would of had his choice of likely many jobs had he hit the open market. Do not underestimate the Bray hire. The opinion of Tibesar seems to be mixed. Some Whisky fans a mad he is leaving, they view him as a good coach. Others, of course, say good riddance. The angle I am interested is the why he didn't replace Wilcox. According to some at Wisconsin, he was the choice, then ultimately they hired Leonhard because according to rumors, the players liked him better. Leonhard is younger... and has almost zero coaching experience. He played in the NFL for 10 years though, making it as a UDFA. So that is interesting, and probably the driving factor for Tibesar to apply for other jobs. By all measurses, it appears he is perfectly qualified, but that angle that the players didn't like him as much has me mildly concerned. But in the end, I trust JS. more so, I trust that Niner is going to pick coaches of high character. I just can't see him having patience for anybody on his staff that is a tool. I hear your reservations, but.....Our hoops kids overwhelmingly endorsed Jimmy Anderson in 1990. Jimmy was s great assistant, but not the right guy to pass the torch to from Ralph. Our football kids endorsed hiring Cory Hall when he took over for Andersen. The immediate emotional lift was great, but on the field we saw a steady decline. He isn’t ready. Players overwhelmingly supporting the promotion of Crystal Ball at uo, but his debut on the field was poop. Not that the player’s favorite should be ignored, or that they never pay dividends, but I’m pretty sure that a lot of really successful head coaches are not the player favorites. The Beavs don’t need buddies coaching them, they need confident, competent leaders who help to make them better as players and people and get results on the field. Time of course will tell just how good Tibesar and the others will be, but if they change the culture and the results on the field, something tells me that there will be plenty of love for them among current players and future prospects.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 18, 2017 10:10:31 GMT -8
Looks like a very solid hire to me. Plus, maybe he'll have a little chip on his shoulder after not getting the job at UW before. And adding another former DC with the guy from Hawaii, this is shaping up to be an excellent staff.
Most who played for him did not "like" Ralph Miller. They did respect him. They were well-coached. They did develop as players. And most acknowledged learned later in life that the lessons he taught them were extremely valuable.
You don't choose coaches based on who the players like. You choose the best coach. I'm thrilled uo hastily chose a coach based largely on who the players liked, instead of having a more extensive search that most likely would have resulted in a better hire. They sure responded well in Las Vegas.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 18, 2017 10:33:14 GMT -8
Completely agree here - so called "player-coaches" never work out in the long run. I'm pretty sure nobody on the Patriots roster has any desire to hang out with Bill Belichick in their free time. It's the thing about Newheisel that concerned me the most - he seemed to care too much that his players 'liked' him. That trait pays dividends in his current job, not so much when you need to be demanding as a coach. Of course, you can't unlikable and incompetent - then you get our last coach.
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Post by Angus on Dec 18, 2017 10:53:24 GMT -8
Being from Wisky, does he wear "Big Boy Pants" ?? Sorry could not resist. To hear Barry Alvarez tell it... Gary Andersen was one of his greatest blunders, and was happy to have the Beavs "solve" that problem for him... Don't let QA sully your opinion of the football factory that is Wiscy... Yea, I guess after GA, Barry is going to be real careful who he hires for his assistants from now on.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 18, 2017 11:14:08 GMT -8
Gary Andersen won 19 games for Wisconsin. He got them to two major bowls. Alvarez had no intention of firing him before the 2015 season.
Yes, Gary failed here. But he succeeded at Wisconsin, and many of the players he recruited were important parts of this year's 12-1 UW team and last year's Cotton Bowl champions. Alvarez's constant shots at him reek of pettiness.
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Post by cake on Dec 18, 2017 11:16:20 GMT -8
Can he really be any worse than Banker? Considering Banker had a couple defenses in the top 25 in total defense and the last guy we had was absolutely atrocious, yes...it can be worse.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 18, 2017 11:42:37 GMT -8
Can he really be any worse than Banker? Considering Banker had a couple defenses in the top 25 in total defense and the last guy we had was absolutely atrocious, yes...it can be worse. Banker gets a bad rap. His Nebraska team gave up 27 points a game year one, 23 in year two. The AD essentially forced Riley to hire defensive “guru” Diaco and they gave up 36 a game. They should have stuck with Banker. Banker’s D at OSU was more successful than the last couple guys defenses were.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 18, 2017 11:49:59 GMT -8
Considering Banker had a couple defenses in the top 25 in total defense and the last guy we had was absolutely atrocious, yes...it can be worse. Banker gets a bad rap. His Nebraska team gave up 27 points a game year one, 23 in year two. The AD essentially forced Riley to hire defensive “guru” Diaco and they gave up 36 a game. They should have stuck with Banker. Banker’s D at OSU was more successful than the last couple guys defenses were. Rumor out of Nebraska is that the ousted AD wanted Diaco to replace Riley. One of the reasons their season was a train wreck was Diaco was actively making power plays all season and disrupting everything. Apparently nobody on the staff liked him, and the players hated him. (Diaco). The AD also forced Billy Devaney on Riley as "special assistant to the head coach". Basically putting a GM on the team to dictate player decisions. Moos got rid of Devaney... I have heard from more connected Nebraska fans, that Riley likely would still be there if Echorist didn't try to put his guy into place, and let Riley be Riley. But hey, that is hersey as well. who really knows the truth.
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Post by youngbuckbeav on Dec 18, 2017 11:50:04 GMT -8
Sounds like it is done deal. Who knows when it'll become public though. I like it. Can he coach a D that is going against a spread Offense each week? Big10 offenses are nothing like what we have in the Pac12. He certainly has a strong resume with the Ds he has coached but just concerned with the types of offenses he has schemed/prepared for. #GoBeavs
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 18, 2017 11:53:57 GMT -8
Can he really be any worse than Banker? We just had worse than Banker... hopefully he is as good as Banker to start with!
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Post by bill82 on Dec 18, 2017 11:57:20 GMT -8
To soon to FOIA texts between Canzanno and Smith to see what coach really thinks of his new staff?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 18, 2017 12:52:35 GMT -8
Can he really be any worse than Banker? Considering Banker had a couple defenses in the top 25 in total defense and the last guy we had was absolutely atrocious, yes...it can be worse. Banker's defenses: 2007 12008 22 3 returning starters: Afalava, Hughes, and Lewis.2009 64 3 returning starters: Kristick, Paea, and Pankey. 2010 56 5 returning starters: Dockery, Miller, Mitchell, Paea, and Roberson.2011 66 1 returning starter: Lance Mitchell.2012 16 10 returning starters. Only Mitchell graduated.2013 51 7 returning starters. Alexander, Crichton, Doctor, Murphy, Reynolds, Wynn, and Zimmerman. Alexander was hurt for the first two games and the USC game. Doctor only played the first two games. With injuries, effectively, Oregon State returned fewer than six.2014 67 6 returning starters. Alexander, Johnson, Murphy, Nelson, Wynn, and Zimmerman. Doctor also returned, so Johnson was shifted to MLB, which still seems an odd choice, considering Mageo rode pine as a result. As Johnson had no starting experience at MLB, he effectively was starting over. After USKnee, Wynn started at DT, a position for which he had limited experience. Oregon State effectively returned fewer than five starters.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 18, 2017 13:00:18 GMT -8
To soon to FOIA texts between Canzanno and Smith to see what coach really thinks of his new staff? I'm still waiting for the FOIA texts to people other than Canzano from GA.....if he's saying that to a reporter, imagine what he was texting to others!
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 18, 2017 13:17:34 GMT -8
To soon to FOIA texts between Canzanno and Smith to see what coach really thinks of his new staff? I'm still waiting for the FOIA texts to people other than Canzano from GA.....if he's saying that to a reporter, imagine what he was texting to others! I can't imagine being a state employee and being stupid enough to use your work phone for that sort of thing. I have a work phone. Do you know how many texts I have sent on it? Zero. If anybody wants to FOIA my state work phone, all they are going to get are a lot of sweet 0 money down offers on foreclosed homes! (whomever had my work number before me didn't know how to not give their number out to everything and everyone)
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 18, 2017 14:07:17 GMT -8
Considering Banker had a couple defenses in the top 25 in total defense and the last guy we had was absolutely atrocious, yes...it can be worse. Banker's defenses: 2007 12008 22 3 returning starters: Afalava, Hughes, and Lewis.2009 64 3 returning starters: Kristick, Paea, and Pankey. 2010 56 5 returning starters: Dockery, Miller, Mitchell, Paea, and Roberson.2011 66 1 returning starter: Lance Mitchell.2012 16 10 returning starters. Only Mitchell graduated.2013 51 7 returning starters. Alexander, Crichton, Doctor, Murphy, Reynolds, Wynn, and Zimmerman. Alexander was hurt for the first two games and the USC game. Doctor only played the first two games. With injuries, effectively, Oregon State returned fewer than six.2014 67 6 returning starters. Alexander, Johnson, Murphy, Nelson, Wynn, and Zimmerman. Doctor also returned, so Johnson was shifted to MLB, which still seems an odd choice, considering Mageo rode pine as a result. As Johnson had no starting experience at MLB, he effectively was starting over. After USKnee, Wynn started at DT, a position for which he had limited experience. Oregon State effectively returned fewer than five starters. Depth was, and may always be, an issue at OSU on defense for one reason or another. When Banker had it his teams did great, a few injuries in thin areas or early pro or retirement guys and it gets tough. Still, being ranked in the 50s and 60s in the "bad" years beats the heck out of being ranked at or near the bottom. I'm always amazed at people who say "the game has passed them by" about Banker, Riley and others when they don't even pay attention to the situations that exist at the time.
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