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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 23, 2017 21:08:15 GMT -8
I don’t know about the Pac12 schools, but GT and Pitt definitely field fewer athletic teams than OSU. The only way we are allocating more to football is if we eliminate sports, and I’m not in favor of that. I am totally in favor of eliminating sports that are not supported in part by fan dollars or funded by the general fund. One of the realities (for myself and others) is academia is populated by SOME profs that live in their ivory towers, teaching nonsense that really is not applicable to one's degree or the real world, to make (in their "esteemed" opinion) - a more well rounded individual. I would submit it has also become brainwashing, looking over some of the class offerings at OSU and other institutions - but I digress. If the university and/or the students believe that advanced tiddly-winks is a vital part of a students education, let the university and the students pay for it themselves. Set a bench level of fan support that needs to be achieved for a given sport, to qualify for AD dollars. It makes no sense whatsoever to cut short the major sports to support the minor, maybe even obscure, sports. Allocate dollars where there is the most bang for the buck, so to speak, and let the others fend for themselves, or find other funding. I would even be in favor of eliminating some of the "studies" that are social engineering and PC in nature, allocating those dollars to sports. I believe a little exercise and maybe fresh air (depending on the sport) would be far more beneficial to certain individuals (can anyone say "women's studies"?) than teaching one gender to resent the other. Especially in our increasingly obese society. Harrrumph!!
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Post by greshambeaver on Dec 24, 2017 16:05:33 GMT -8
most of this post is misogynistic, head in your ass bull.
There is much more rounding out of the individual that needs to be completed and this kind of attitude attest to exactly that!
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 24, 2017 16:52:15 GMT -8
most of this post is misogynistic, head in your ass bull. There is much more rounding out of the individual that needs to be completed and this kind of attitude attest to exactly that! So, quick question greshambeaver - would a new unit of study at OSU called "men's studies" with shiny new buildings for millions of dollars be chauvinistic? If not, why not? Or, are you one of those individuals that believe you can justify bad behavior by pointing to/ engaging in other bad behavior? Just curious.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 24, 2017 17:10:51 GMT -8
I go on campus quite often. Where are the shiny new buildings for women's studies located?
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Post by greshambeaver on Dec 24, 2017 18:07:51 GMT -8
The shiny new buildings are right behind the New West Side addition to Reser. Reser will be finished long before enough money is spent for gender equality. This is how we and others have done it to sanction the spending on men's sports.
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 26, 2017 12:54:58 GMT -8
I go on campus quite often. Where are the shiny new buildings for women's studies located?Apparently they do not exist. I apologize for the delayed response, holidays have a way of doing that. I saw a bid sheet for one of the new buildings on campus come across my desk a couple of years' ago, I remembered seeing that the building was for women's studies - apparently, the building wasn't dedicated to that, but maybe housed some of the classes. I stand corrected. Some of the salient points for me in this thread are: What percentage of the AD budget goes to men's football/ basketball and other major spectator sports, as compared to the rest of the Pac12 and the country? If we are lagging in dollars and/or percentage of budget, we need to correct that. And, if we are going to pay for minor, one might even say obscure sports, we should look at all dollars spent at the university, including admin. budgets and classes being offered, and have an honest discussion as to their importance and merit. For me, social engineering is not a priority. It might be for you - good for you. I believe all sports have value, but if it is a minor sport with virtually no spectators, fund it from student fees and the general fund. If the university claims there are not the resources to step up funding for sports, take a hard look at admin and other, as some would argue, frivolous classes as a way to pay for it. I was raised to believe sound mind in a sound body.
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 26, 2017 16:19:03 GMT -8
Apparently they do not exist. I apologize for the delayed response, holidays have a way of doing that. I saw a bid sheet for one of the new buildings on campus come across my desk a couple of years' ago, I remembered seeing that the building was for women's studies - apparently, the building wasn't dedicated to that, but maybe housed some of the classes. I stand corrected. Some of the salient points for me in this thread are: What percentage of the AD budget goes to men's football/ basketball and other major spectator sports, as compared to the rest of the Pac12 and the country? If we are lagging in dollars and/or percentage of budget, we need to correct that. And, if we are going to pay for minor, one might even say obscure sports, we should look at all dollars spent at the university, including admin. budgets and classes being offered, and have an honest discussion as to their importance and merit. For me, social engineering is not a priority. It might be for you - good for you. I believe all sports have value, but if it is a minor sport with virtually no spectators, fund it from student fees and the general fund. If the university claims there are not the resources to step up funding for sports, take a hard look at admin and other, as some would argue, frivolous classes as a way to pay for it. I was raised to believe sound mind in a sound body. "For me, social engineering is not a priority" How about building and fighting straw men? Where does that rank in your priorities? If you look at all of the classes and corresponding syllabuses offered at OSU and conclude that they are necessary, and anyone suggesting otherwise is just building and fighting straw men, once again, good for you. At the end of the day, it still comes down to allocation of limited resources.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 26, 2017 17:12:50 GMT -8
"For me, social engineering is not a priority" How about building and fighting straw men? Where does that rank in your priorities? If you look at all of the classes and corresponding syllabuses offered at OSU and conclude that they are necessary, and anyone suggesting otherwise is just building and fighting straw men, once again, good for you. At the end of the day, it still comes down to allocation of limited resources. Careful, some of those "unnecessary" classes may be the very ones that football and basketball players take to lift their GPA's over the NCAA's "Mendoza Line".
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Post by thetruebeav on Dec 26, 2017 18:18:29 GMT -8
We sure get off topic don't we?!?! We turn on subjects of grammar & women studies & other important things that matter 2 Beaver football. I see it now..... Oh no bring out the the sarcasm police now.
I will comment on the Garry Andersen thread to SMU.... maybe if someone hires him he can finally put on his "big boy pants" & actually face the music & explain why he quit in the middle of the season and went Bigfoot dark & was never seen again.
Sincerely, I probably misspelled something & went to a different subject then Beav football bringing up Sasquatch
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Post by usmc1958 on Dec 26, 2017 19:25:37 GMT -8
I am totally in favor of eliminating sports that are not supported in part by fan dollars or funded by the general fund. One of the realities (for myself and others) is academia is populated by SOME profs that live in their ivory towers, teaching nonsense that really is not applicable to one's degree or the real world, to make (in their "esteemed" opinion) - a more well rounded individual. I would submit it has also become brainwashing, looking over some of the class offerings at OSU and other institutions - but I digress. If the university and/or the students believe that advanced tiddly-winks is a vital part of a students education, let the university and the students pay for it themselves. Set a bench level of fan support that needs to be achieved for a given sport, to qualify for AD dollars. It makes no sense whatsoever to cut short the major sports to support the minor, maybe even obscure, sports. Allocate dollars where there is the most bang for the buck, so to speak, and let the others fend for themselves, or find other funding. I would even be in favor of eliminating some of the "studies" that are social engineering and PC in nature, allocating those dollars to sports. I believe a little exercise and maybe fresh air (depending on the sport) would be far more beneficial to certain individuals (can anyone say "women's studies"?) than teaching one gender to resent the other. Especially in our increasingly obese society. Harrrumph!!
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Post by prothro on Dec 26, 2017 19:27:41 GMT -8
Wish him the best of luck. The Oregon State head coaching job requires a level of intestinal fortitude, persistence, and talent than he has within him at present.
That coordinator position would give him the chance to rebuild his reputation. If he can do the job at SMU, then I could see a mid-major giving him another shot based on his Utah State experience.
It stills surprises me a coach who could rebuild a losing Utah State program in a state dominated by the Utes and Cougars would so comprehensively lose faith in himself and his abilities here.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 26, 2017 19:28:38 GMT -8
So, GA to SMU? Interesting. All the other crap? Not interesting.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 26, 2017 19:30:17 GMT -8
Wish him the best of luck. The Oregon State head coaching job requires a level of intestinal fortitude, persistence, and talent than he has within him at present. That coordinator position would give him the chance to rebuild his reputation. If he can do the job at SMU, then I could see a mid-major giving him another shot based on his Utah State experience. It stills surprises me a coach who could rebuild a losing Utah State program in a state dominated by the Utes and Cougars would so comprehensively lose faith in himself and his abilities here. I’m pretty sure we need Paul Harvey to fully understand what happened. Just my thought.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Dec 26, 2017 19:35:19 GMT -8
I’d be surprised SMU touches CGA..... after what he did. That’s a Dallas problem.
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Post by zeroposter on Dec 26, 2017 19:52:59 GMT -8
I’d be surprised SMU touches CGA..... after what he did. That’s a Dallas problem. Scoop has now said that Andersen and SMU are no longer talking.
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