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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 4, 2018 14:12:30 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 4, 2018 14:16:33 GMT -8
I'll go completely the other direction... no playoff! What has it truly accomplished? Realistically it's created another layer of elitism. Now a fairly secretive "committee" that answers to no one uses "polls" of statistics and their own opinions to determine the 4 playoff teams. No matter if 4 or 8 teams the entire playoff situation is just bogus. At least with multiple computers/ stats/polls and a algorithm to compile them there was no BULLs%#tE committee of 13. Even the AP/UPI days were better. Just have the 40 bowls create their selection process, play em and take it out of the committee's hands! You can tell exactly how big the $$ are when an organization like the NCAA abdicates control of its major sport's championship. Most don't even realize the D1, now FBS, football title isn't even an NCAA sponsored "title". I'm ok with unbiased computer geeks who know s%#te about the actual game creating a system to take it out of the hands of these clowns. But, to me unless OSU is in a game, the bowl season is meaningless, and basically worthy of watching highlights on SC. Bowl games have always been meaningless, they are nothing more than exhibition games. But the value in them IMO is what it means to the kids who play the game. It's a reward to spend a week doing something you wouldn't normally get to do and play football to boot. I watched a lot of bowl games this year, for the most part, the kids looked to really enjoy the games and experience.
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Post by seastape on Jan 4, 2018 14:23:38 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
I won money on the Bama-SC game that year. Easy call.
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Post by bennyorange on Jan 4, 2018 14:34:44 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
I'm not whining about the OOC schedule as much as I'm whining about the fact they play too many OOC and not enough IN conference. If you're going to be considered conference champion you should attempt to play most of the teams in YOUR conference.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2018 14:44:50 GMT -8
Oh wow....lots of things to agree and disagree with in this thread. Things I agree with:OSU probably doesn't get in to a hypothetical 2000 college football playoff. Oklahoma was undefeated and would've been the 1 seed. Florida State had the Heisman Trophy winner, averaged 42.4 points a game and their only loss was by three points on the road to 11-1 Miami the first week of October. Washington was also 11-1 and beat us head to head. Miami's only loss was to Washington, but also had wins over #1 Florida State and #2 Virginia Tech. I think you probably would've seen Oklahoma-Washington and Florida State-Miami in the semis....unless they didn't want to have a rematch. However, I think given that we've seen Alabama-Clemson three years in a row in the playoffs, that's not really an issue for the committee. Had OSU somehow got into that playoff, I think there's a very good chance we would've won the whole thing. After re-watching the Fiesta Bowl over the holidays, I had forgotten just how incredible our defense was that year. To get in now, I think Oregon State stands a good chance as a one-loss Pac-12 champion, provided you started the season as a highly ranked team. Wisconsin started the season as the AP #9 team, and never got higher than 4th. Oklahoma on the other hand started as preseason #7, but beat #2 Ohio State in week 2 to vault them into the conversation. The SEC is the anomaly here. Georgia started at #15 and didn't beat a top ten team all season until the SEC championship game. SEC is king, it's the way it is. That being said, Alabama did beat a Clemson team that nobody objected to being in the semis, and Georgia did the same to Oklahoma in what might've been the most entertaining Rose Bowl game since....well since USC-Penn State in 2017. Things I disagree with:That the playoffs this year were a turd. Did you watch that Rose Bowl? While I would've loved to see Wisconsin or UCF in the playoff, no way either of those teams give you a better game than Georgia-Oklahoma did. I'm sure Georgia and Alabama will be an entertaining game as well. The thing about 2000 is that it would not have played out exactly the same, because of conference re-alignment and because of the change to 12 games a season rather than 11. To start with, Oregon State never plays both UCLA and USC in the same season any more. If we take the current schedule rotation and project it backward, Oregon State would trade USC for Colorado and Utah. Also, one of the Arizona or UCLA games likely would have been a home game rather than both being road games. Incredibly, Washington actually played Colorado in 2000 and won 17-14. Projecting the current schedule rotation backward, Washington would have traded a home game against UCLA for a home game against USC. As the Huskies played Colorado, they would have also added another non-conference opponent. Projecting backward, Oregon would have traded out UCLA for Stanford and traded Arizona for Colorado and Utah. Colorado under Gary Barnett was 3-8 in 2000, same as California in the Pac-10. Utah was 4-7 but was worse than every team in the Pac-10 at the time and worse than Colorado. The Utes were starting to slip and Urban Meyer was still the wide receivers' coach at Notre Dame (a Lou Holtz holdover). (Does anyone have a picture or video of Meyer at the 2001 Fiesta Bowl? I am uncertain if he quit before or after the bowl game.) It is unlikely that the addition of Colorado and Utah change the top three in the North. The tiebreaker at the time was to use non-conference record and Oregon lost to Wisconsin. Washington then won the tiebreaker over Oregon State, because of the three-point win in Seattle. The tiebreaker now is to use SportSource Analytics to break a tie. What is of interest to me is that, of the eight computer polls in 2000, Washington only was ahead of Oregon State in five of them. Sagarin notably giving the nod to Oregon State over Washington. The big question in my mind is who do the Huskies schedule for a 12th game? If they drop that game, the Beavers likely win the North going away. If Washington won, my gut is that Oregon State still wins the North, unless the Huskies beat a really good team in convincing fashion. If the Beavers won the North, the pollsters likely would have jumped Oregon State over Washington with a win in the Pac-12 Championship Game. UCLA would not have played Oregon and Washington and would likely have won the South at 6-3, 9-3 overall, with wins over #3 Alabama and #3 Michigan. Without the 19-point loss to Oregon, UCLA may have been ranked as high as #10. The Sooners were unstoppable to begin the season but seemed to wear down over the final four weeks, beating 7-5 Texas A&M by 4 in College Station, 7-6 Texas Tech by 14 in Norman, 3-8 Oklahoma State by 5 in Stillwater, and 11-3 Kansas State by three in Kansas City. An extra conference game may have spelled a loss for Oklahoma. Plus, the conference is different now. Oklahoma would not have played Nebraska or Texas A&M and instead would have played Iowa State, TCU, and West Virginia. The Horned Frogs were the best of that bunch with a senior LaDanian Tomlinson. Iowa State was 9-3. West Virginia was 7-5 and won the Music City Bowl over Mississippi. Another week may have resulted in an Oklahoma loss. The ACC has largely absorbed the Big East since 2000. As such, both Florida State and Miami's schedules likely would be more challenging. If I project the ACC's five-year rotating schedules backward, Florida State's lone unprotected crossover would have been Georgia Tech. Florida State would have played Louisville as a division opponent, rather than as a non-conference game. The Canes and Seminoles still would have played their protected crossover game. Florida State would trade 0-11 Duke, 5-6 Maryland, 6-5 North Carolina, and 6-6 Virginia for 7-5 Boston College and 6-5 Syracuse and would have added two more non-conference opponents. One likely would be a home game against Notre Dame. The other would likely be against an FCS team. Miami's one unprotected crossover game would have been Clemson. Miami only played seven conference games in 2000. The only three games that would have remained the same are games with Florida State, Pittsburgh, and Virginia Tech. The Canes would trade games with 7-5 Boston College, 3-8 Rutgers, 6-5 Syracuse, 4-7 Temple, and 7-5 West Virginia for games with 9-3 Clemson, 0-11 Duke, 9-3 Georgia Tech, 6-5 North Carolina, and 6-6 Virginia, a more difficult schedule, and, excluding Duke, a much more difficult schedule. Miami would then have to add a non-conference game. Virginia Tech's one unprotected crossover game would have been NC State. Virginia Tech's protected crossover game is Boston College. The Hokies would trade games with 3-8 Rutgers, 6-5 Syracuse, 4-7 Temple, and 7-5 West Virginia for games with 0-11 Duke, 9-3 Georgia Tech, 8-4 NC State, and 6-5 North Carolina, a more difficult schedule, and (once again) excluding Duke, a much more difficult schedule. Virginia Tech would then have to add a non-conference game. If the season played out like it did in 2000, Florida State would have won the Atlantic and Miami would have won the Coastal and would have met in a rematch to determine the conference champion with 11-1 Virginia Tech being on the outside looking in. The SEC Champion was Florida in 2000, finishing with two losses: one to Mississippi State in Florida's lone unprotected non-conference game in 2000 and one to Florida State. Projecting the SEC schedule backward, Florida likely would have traded its game with 9-4 Western Division Champion Auburn for a game with 3-8 Missouri. The Gators also would have had to add another game, likely against an FCS team. Florida likely would have finished 11-2 before the bowls. Notre Dame's 2000 schedule likely includes Michigan State, Navy, Stanford, and USC. The Irish went 3-1 against those four. The Irish are now slotted to play five ACC teams. Judging by how those teams are scheduled, they likely would have been Boston College, Florida State, Louisville, Syracuse, and Wake Forest in 2000. Boston College was on the schedule in 2000 and was a win. Notre Dame's game against Florida State is a likely loss. The other three are likely wins. The question is what games get lopped to make up for the extra four ACC teams? Purdue is probably one. That leaves Air Force, Nebraska, Rutgers, Texas A&M, and West Virginia. Two of those games probably do not get played. If Nebraska is one, that likely eliminates a loss and leaves Notre Dame with the potential to play in a New Years Six Bowl Game. If not, Texas probably takes their place. 10-2 Colorado State was the highest-rated of the Group of Five and likely would have earned a spot in the New Years Six. The real wildcard is the Big Ten. Nebraska would have been the best team in the Big Ten in 2000. The question is how many losses would they have wound up with? A 12-1 Nebraska likely gets a spot in a playoff. How would the committee treat an 11-2 Nebraska? My thought is that, if things played out how I think that they would have, Oklahoma would have gone 13-0 and been given the #1 seed. #2 would have been given to Miami with its win over Florida State. #3 would have gone to Pac-12 Champion, Oregon State. Judging by how the pollsters treated the teams, #4 would have gone to Washington. If the Huskies would have won the Pac-12, the four seed would have probably went to Oregon State but may have gone to Virginia Tech, depending on how the Committee viewed the two teams. If Washington would have lost the Pac-12 Championship to UCLA, both Oregon State and Virginia Tech would have made it into the playoff. The 2000 CFP would have been played in the Cotton and Orange Bowls. I do not know how the Committee would have handled the Miami situation. I doubt that the Canes get a home game in the semifinal. So, I will say that Miami would have played Oregon State in the Cotton Bowl and Oklahoma and Washington would have played in the Orange Bowl. If Washington won the Pac-12, I think that Oregon State travels to Miami to play Oklahoma. Oregon goes to the Rose Bowl to play Nebraska. The Sugar Bowl is Florida v. Kansas State. The Fiesta Bowl is likely Colorado State v. Florida State. The Peach Bowl is likely Notre Dame/Texas v. Virginia Tech. At least, that's how I think it would have happened........
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 4, 2018 14:48:15 GMT -8
I'll go completely the other direction... no playoff! What has it truly accomplished? Realistically it's created another layer of elitism. Now a fairly secretive "committee" that answers to no one uses "polls" of statistics and their own opinions to determine the 4 playoff teams. No matter if 4 or 8 teams the entire playoff situation is just bogus. At least with multiple computers/ stats/polls and a algorithm to compile them there was no BULLs%#tE committee of 13. Even the AP/UPI days were better. Just have the 40 bowls create their selection process, play em and take it out of the committee's hands! You can tell exactly how big the $$ are when an organization like the NCAA abdicates control of its major sport's championship. Most don't even realize the D1, now FBS, football title isn't even an NCAA sponsored "title". I'm ok with unbiased computer geeks who know s%#te about the actual game creating a system to take it out of the hands of these clowns. But, to me unless OSU is in a game, the bowl season is meaningless, and basically worthy of watching highlights on SC. Bowl games have always been meaningless, they are nothing more than exhibition games. But the value in them IMO is what it means to the kids who play the game. It's a reward to spend a week doing something you wouldn't normally get to do and play football to boot. I watched a lot of bowl games this year, for the most part, the kids looked to really enjoy the games and experience.
Good point... except my post had zero to do with them being meaningless to players. Not sure of the players' perspective was ever mentioned... and honestly that perspective will never matter over $$
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2018 15:07:15 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
This is the problem, though. Alabama did not beat anyone. The best team that they played, they lost to and that was the second-best team in the SEC, Auburn. The Tide played Arkansas, Mississippi on probation, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Vandy. Utah, the ninth-best Pac-12 team, could have beaten any of those five teams on a neutral field. The only teams that they beat with pulses were LSU (by 14) and Mississippi State (on a last-minute touchdown pass). Colorado State was mediocre and Alabama's defense gave up more points than Colorado or Wyoming allowed. Fresno State did not have a quarterback, when Alabama played them. Florida State needed to schedule a game against a directional Louisiana school and cook the books to get a bowl bid. The Buckeyes did not play an FCS team and won nine games against conference teams. Ohio State beat four 10-win teams and lost to a fifth. Alabama beat 10-4 Fresno State and lost to the other 10-win team they played. Inasmuch as it is not "Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year," the Tide also should not be rewarded for beating a bunch of mediocre teams. Ohio State was far more deserving than Bama to play in the Playoff.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 15:21:51 GMT -8
64 team 6 day playoffs! A manly schedule for a manly game. 3pm games every day until one team is left standing! Better than Shark Week. With a play-in game!
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 15:23:15 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
Plus FSU had their starting qb at that time, unfortunately he got hurt in that game.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 15:31:38 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
This is the problem, though. Alabama did not beat anyone. The best team that they played, they lost to and that was the second-best team in the SEC, Auburn. The Tide played Arkansas, Mississippi on probation, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Vandy. Utah, the ninth-best Pac-12 team, could have beaten any of those five teams on a neutral field. The only teams that they beat with pulses were LSU (by 14) and Mississippi State (on a last-minute touchdown pass). Colorado State was mediocre and Alabama's defense gave up more points than Colorado or Wyoming allowed. Fresno State did not have a quarterback, when Alabama played them. Florida State needed to schedule a game against a directional Louisiana school and cook the books to get a bowl bid. The Buckeyes did not play an FCS team and won nine games against conference teams. Ohio State beat four 10-win teams and lost to a fifth. Alabama beat 10-4 Fresno State and lost to the other 10-win team they played. Inasmuch as it is not "Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year," the Tide also should not be rewarded for beating a bunch of mediocre teams. Ohio State was far more deserving than Bama to play in the Playoff. "Alabama did not beat anyone."Again, and sorry for being repetitive, except the #1 college team, Clemson. Like a drum.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 4, 2018 15:41:36 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Their one tough OOC game is the equivalent of the ninth conference game played by the Pac-12, Big 12, and, in the future, the Big Ten.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 4, 2018 19:21:13 GMT -8
Oh wow....lots of things to agree and disagree with in this thread. Things I agree with:OSU probably doesn't get in to a hypothetical 2000 college football playoff. Oklahoma was undefeated and would've been the 1 seed. Florida State had the Heisman Trophy winner, averaged 42.4 points a game and their only loss was by three points on the road to 11-1 Miami the first week of October. Washington was also 11-1 and beat us head to head. Miami's only loss was to Washington, but also had wins over #1 Florida State and #2 Virginia Tech. I think you probably would've seen Oklahoma-Washington and Florida State-Miami in the semis....unless they didn't want to have a rematch. However, I think given that we've seen Alabama-Clemson three years in a row in the playoffs, that's not really an issue for the committee. Had OSU somehow got into that playoff, I think there's a very good chance we would've won the whole thing. After re-watching the Fiesta Bowl over the holidays, I had forgotten just how incredible our defense was that year. To get in now, I think Oregon State stands a good chance as a one-loss Pac-12 champion, provided you started the season as a highly ranked team. Wisconsin started the season as the AP #9 team, and never got higher than 4th. Oklahoma on the other hand started as preseason #7, but beat #2 Ohio State in week 2 to vault them into the conversation. The SEC is the anomaly here. Georgia started at #15 and didn't beat a top ten team all season until the SEC championship game. SEC is king, it's the way it is. That being said, Alabama did beat a Clemson team that nobody objected to being in the semis, and Georgia did the same to Oklahoma in what might've been the most entertaining Rose Bowl game since....well since USC-Penn State in 2017. Things I disagree with:That the playoffs this year were a turd. Did you watch that Rose Bowl? While I would've loved to see Wisconsin or UCF in the playoff, no way either of those teams give you a better game than Georgia-Oklahoma did. I'm sure Georgia and Alabama will be an entertaining game as well. The thing about 2000 is that it would not have played out exactly the same, because of conference re-alignment and because of the change to 12 games a season rather than 11. To start with, Oregon State never plays both UCLA and USC in the same season any more. If we take the current schedule rotation and project it backward, Oregon State would trade USC for Colorado and Utah. Also, one of the Arizona or UCLA games likely would have been a home game rather than both being road games. Incredibly, Washington actually played Colorado in 2000 and won 17-14. Projecting the current schedule rotation backward, Washington would have traded a home game against UCLA for a home game against USC. As the Huskies played Colorado, they would have also added another non-conference opponent. Projecting backward, Oregon would have traded out UCLA for Stanford and traded Arizona for Colorado and Utah. Colorado under Gary Barnett was 3-8 in 2000, same as California in the Pac-10. Utah was 4-7 but was worse than every team in the Pac-10 at the time and worse than Colorado. The Utes were starting to slip and Urban Meyer was still the wide receivers' coach at Notre Dame (a Lou Holtz holdover). (Does anyone have a picture or video of Meyer at the 2001 Fiesta Bowl? I am uncertain if he quit before or after the bowl game.) It is unlikely that the addition of Colorado and Utah change the top three in the North. The tiebreaker at the time was to use non-conference record and Oregon lost to Wisconsin. Washington then won the tiebreaker over Oregon State, because of the three-point win in Seattle. The tiebreaker now is to use SportSource Analytics to break a tie. What is of interest to me is that, of the eight computer polls in 2000, Washington only was ahead of Oregon State in five of them. Sagarin notably giving the nod to Oregon State over Washington. The big question in my mind is who do the Huskies schedule for a 12th game? If they drop that game, the Beavers likely win the North going away. If Washington won, my gut is that Oregon State still wins the North, unless the Huskies beat a really good team in convincing fashion. If the Beavers won the North, the pollsters likely would have jumped Oregon State over Washington with a win in the Pac-12 Championship Game. UCLA would not have played Oregon and Washington and would likely have won the South at 6-3, 9-3 overall, with wins over #3 Alabama and #3 Michigan. Without the 19-point loss to Oregon, UCLA may have been ranked as high as #10. The Sooners were unstoppable to begin the season but seemed to wear down over the final four weeks, beating 7-5 Texas A&M by 4 in College Station, 7-6 Texas Tech by 14 in Norman, 3-8 Oklahoma State by 5 in Stillwater, and 11-3 Kansas State by three in Kansas City. An extra conference game may have spelled a loss for Oklahoma. Plus, the conference is different now. Oklahoma would not have played Nebraska or Texas A&M and instead would have played Iowa State, TCU, and West Virginia. The Horned Frogs were the best of that bunch with a senior LaDanian Tomlinson. Iowa State was 9-3. West Virginia was 7-5 and won the Music City Bowl over Mississippi. Another week may have resulted in an Oklahoma loss. The ACC has largely absorbed the Big East since 2000. As such, both Florida State and Miami's schedules likely would be more challenging. If I project the ACC's five-year rotating schedules backward, Florida State's lone unprotected crossover would have been Georgia Tech. Florida State would have played Louisville as a division opponent, rather than as a non-conference game. The Canes and Seminoles still would have played their protected crossover game. Florida State would trade 0-11 Duke, 5-6 Maryland, 6-5 North Carolina, and 6-6 Virginia for 7-5 Boston College and 6-5 Syracuse and would have added two more non-conference opponents. One likely would be a home game against Notre Dame. The other would likely be against an FCS team. Miami's one unprotected crossover game would have been Clemson. Miami only played seven conference games in 2000. The only three games that would have remained the same are games with Florida State, Pittsburgh, and Virginia Tech. The Canes would trade games with 7-5 Boston College, 3-8 Rutgers, 6-5 Syracuse, 4-7 Temple, and 7-5 West Virginia for games with 9-3 Clemson, 0-11 Duke, 9-3 Georgia Tech, 6-5 North Carolina, and 6-6 Virginia, a more difficult schedule, and, excluding Duke, a much more difficult schedule. Miami would then have to add a non-conference game. Virginia Tech's one unprotected crossover game would have been NC State. Virginia Tech's protected crossover game is Boston College. The Hokies would trade games with 3-8 Rutgers, 6-5 Syracuse, 4-7 Temple, and 7-5 West Virginia for games with 0-11 Duke, 9-3 Georgia Tech, 8-4 NC State, and 6-5 North Carolina, a more difficult schedule, and (once again) excluding Duke, a much more difficult schedule. Virginia Tech would then have to add a non-conference game. If the season played out like it did in 2000, Florida State would have won the Atlantic and Miami would have won the Coastal and would have met in a rematch to determine the conference champion with 11-1 Virginia Tech being on the outside looking in. The SEC Champion was Florida in 2000, finishing with two losses: one to Mississippi State in Florida's lone unprotected non-conference game in 2000 and one to Florida State. Projecting the SEC schedule backward, Florida likely would have traded its game with 9-4 Western Division Champion Auburn for a game with 3-8 Missouri. The Gators also would have had to add another game, likely against an FCS team. Florida likely would have finished 11-2 before the bowls. Notre Dame's 2000 schedule likely includes Michigan State, Navy, Stanford, and USC. The Irish went 3-1 against those four. The Irish are now slotted to play five ACC teams. Judging by how those teams are scheduled, they likely would have been Boston College, Florida State, Louisville, Syracuse, and Wake Forest in 2000. Boston College was on the schedule in 2000 and was a win. Notre Dame's game against Florida State is a likely loss. The other three are likely wins. The question is what games get lopped to make up for the extra four ACC teams? Purdue is probably one. That leaves Air Force, Nebraska, Rutgers, Texas A&M, and West Virginia. Two of those games probably do not get played. If Nebraska is one, that likely eliminates a loss and leaves Notre Dame with the potential to play in a New Years Six Bowl Game. If not, Texas probably takes their place. 10-2 Colorado State was the highest-rated of the Group of Five and likely would have earned a spot in the New Years Six. The real wildcard is the Big Ten. Nebraska would have been the best team in the Big Ten in 2000. The question is how many losses would they have wound up with? A 12-1 Nebraska likely gets a spot in a playoff. How would the committee treat an 11-2 Nebraska? My thought is that, if things played out how I think that they would have, Oklahoma would have gone 13-0 and been given the #1 seed. #2 would have been given to Miami with its win over Florida State. #3 would have gone to Pac-12 Champion, Oregon State. Judging by how the pollsters treated the teams, #4 would have gone to Washington. If the Huskies would have won the Pac-12, the four seed would have probably went to Oregon State but may have gone to Virginia Tech, depending on how the Committee viewed the two teams. If Washington would have lost the Pac-12 Championship to UCLA, both Oregon State and Virginia Tech would have made it into the playoff. The 2000 CFP would have been played in the Cotton and Orange Bowls. I do not know how the Committee would have handled the Miami situation. I doubt that the Canes get a home game in the semifinal. So, I will say that Miami would have played Oregon State in the Cotton Bowl and Oklahoma and Washington would have played in the Orange Bowl. If Washington won the Pac-12, I think that Oregon State travels to Miami to play Oklahoma. Oregon goes to the Rose Bowl to play Nebraska. The Sugar Bowl is Florida v. Kansas State. The Fiesta Bowl is likely Colorado State v. Florida State. The Peach Bowl is likely Notre Dame/Texas v. Virginia Tech. At least, that's how I think it would have happened........ Disagree.
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 4, 2018 20:11:30 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Eliminate Incarnate Word but could they play the Citadel in late November?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 20:22:38 GMT -8
I'd love to see an eight team playoff but ONLY if they mandate minimum conference games so the SEC can't load up the Incarnate Word's of the world while we're beating the crap out of each other in the PAC12. Eliminate Incarnate Word but could they play the Citadel in late November? Benny’s House fave 3M’s team played Incarnate Word, whatever that is. Word!
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 4, 2018 20:22:40 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
I won money on the Bama-SC game that year. Easy call. Bama has a respectful OOC. Vandy not so much, so that conference beating of Vandy shows as Bama beat a four win team. Would be a three win team in a nine game conference schedule. You can name the SEC teams I don’t care. Sure the top is good but they appear better by playing crap ooc late in the season and beating conference teams that play four patsies a year. Don’t rig the schedules, don’t get so many compounding cheap wins as a conference and things are different. Conferences need to be standardly sized and schedules harmonized to number of in/ out of conference or it is just a shell game, currently being played best by the SEC.
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