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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 20:26:06 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Their one tough OOC game is the equivalent of the ninth conference game played by the Pac-12, Big 12, and, in the future, the Big Ten. So Florida St with Francois is like playing Cal, Oregon St, Baylor without Art Scrupulous, and Kansas? Gee....
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 20:27:49 GMT -8
I won money on the Bama-SC game that year. Easy call. Bama has a respectful OOC. Vandy not so much, so that conference beating of Vandy shows as Bama beat a four win team. Would be a three win team in a nine game conference schedule. You can name the SEC teams I don’t care. Sure the top is good but they appear better by playing crap ooc late in the season and beating conference teams that play four patsies a year. Don’t rig the schedules, don’t get so many compounding cheap wins as a conference and things are different. Conferences need to be standardly sized and schedules harmonized to number of in/ out of conference or it is just a shell game, currently being played best by the SEC. Reality check: Vanderbilt >> Oregon State in 2017. 2016 and 2015 too btw.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 4, 2018 20:45:18 GMT -8
I favor a 12-team playoff rather than an 8-team. But what I'm mostly upset about is the "committee." Someone posted earlier about it and I agree completely. Its function is to reward the traditional moneyed teams. The computers should do the rankings. About seven years ago, the authorities or maybe the folks that became the committee, specified that the computer rankings could not include margin of victory. Then the computer rankings started to seem wrong. What would a reasonable person think if margin of victory was eliminated? Because the computers seemed wrong, the committee was established. There is an easy fix but it will never be used because it is easy and the committee would cease to exist. The computers should allow margin of victory to a point - as a suggestion 28 points. This would still deter the Spurriers and Kellys of the world from trying to stretch that victory over Presbyterian up to nine touchdowns.
Oh, and I'm guessing the 12 teams in my fictional playoff would be Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Auburn, Wisconsin, TCU, Penn State, Notre Dame, Central Florida, and Washington. Those teams play in six traditional bowl games and winners advance to a 6-team playoff with the top two seeds (per the computers) getting a bye.
And then said in jest, let the overall winner play against the James Madison / North Dakota State winner.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 4, 2018 21:29:03 GMT -8
Bama has a respectful OOC. Vandy not so much, so that conference beating of Vandy shows as Bama beat a four win team. Would be a three win team in a nine game conference schedule. You can name the SEC teams I don’t care. Sure the top is good but they appear better by playing crap ooc late in the season and beating conference teams that play four patsies a year. Don’t rig the schedules, don’t get so many compounding cheap wins as a conference and things are different. Conferences need to be standardly sized and schedules harmonized to number of in/ out of conference or it is just a shell game, currently being played best by the SEC. Reality check: Vanderbilt >> Oregon State in 2017. 2016 and 2015 too btw. Washington is in the North division. It played Utah, ASU, Colorado and UCLA in the South. For the sake of argument, let's say Colorado is the 9th game, the equivalent of Alabama's top OOC game. Colorado played for the Pac-12 title last year. Everyone would consider that a quality opponent, if it were an OCC game. It also played that game at Boulder, not at a neutral site, like FSU-Alabama. USC is in the South. It played us, Cal, WSU and Stanford in the North. Let's say that WSU or Stanford is the 9th game, the equivalent of Alabama's best OOC game. That's an across-the-board wash with Alabama playing FSU, especially since USC played AT WSU, on a short week. Don't get suckered by the SEC/ESPN narrative. Alabama is a better team, but Washington and USC's schedules were the equal of Alabama's.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 21:44:50 GMT -8
Reality check: Vanderbilt >> Oregon State in 2017. 2016 and 2015 too btw. Washington is in the North division. It played Utah, ASU, Colorado and UCLA in the South. For the sake of argument, let's say Colorado is the 9th game, the equivalent of Alabama's top OOC game. Colorado played for the Pac-12 title last year. Everyone would consider that a quality opponent, if it were an OCC game. It also played that game at Boulder, not at a neutral site, like FSU-Alabama. USC is in the South. It played us, Cal, WSU and Stanford in the North. Let's say that WSU or Stanford is the 9th game, the equivalent of Alabama's best OOC game. That's an across-the-board wash with Alabama playing FSU, especially since USC played AT WSU, on a short week. Don't get suckered by the SEC/ESPN narrative. Alabama is a better team, but Washington and USC's schedules were the equal of Alabama's. Again, for the 25th time, they hammered the #1 team that people say played a tough schedule. Scoreboard wins.
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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 4, 2018 22:09:18 GMT -8
"Alabama did not beat anyone."Again, and sorry for being repetitive, except the #1 college team, Clemson. Like a drum. With several weeks to prepare there are a handful of teams who also could have beat Clemson in one game. tOSU, Penn State, Wiscy, Oklahoma, heck give Boise that much time to prepare for a team and I wouldn't bet against them. The problem is only Alabama got the chance and undeservedly based on comparative resumes.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 5, 2018 13:19:32 GMT -8
This is the problem, though. Alabama did not beat anyone. The best team that they played, they lost to and that was the second-best team in the SEC, Auburn. The Tide played Arkansas, Mississippi on probation, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Vandy. Utah, the ninth-best Pac-12 team, could have beaten any of those five teams on a neutral field. The only teams that they beat with pulses were LSU (by 14) and Mississippi State (on a last-minute touchdown pass). Colorado State was mediocre and Alabama's defense gave up more points than Colorado or Wyoming allowed. Fresno State did not have a quarterback, when Alabama played them. Florida State needed to schedule a game against a directional Louisiana school and cook the books to get a bowl bid. The Buckeyes did not play an FCS team and won nine games against conference teams. Ohio State beat four 10-win teams and lost to a fifth. Alabama beat 10-4 Fresno State and lost to the other 10-win team they played. Inasmuch as it is not "Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year," the Tide also should not be rewarded for beating a bunch of mediocre teams. Ohio State was far more deserving than Bama to play in the Playoff. "Alabama did not beat anyone."Again, and sorry for being repetitive, except the #1 college team, Clemson. Like a drum. I meant in the regular season. I figured that that was clear from context. Ohio State played a far more difficult regular season schedule than Alabama and got punished for it.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2018 14:50:02 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
I'm not whining about the OOC schedule as much as I'm whining about the fact they play too many OOC and not enough IN conference. If you're going to be considered conference champion you should attempt to play most of the teams in YOUR conference. Thus the "bang on them for the 8 game schedule" comment
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2018 14:56:46 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Their one tough OOC game is the equivalent of the ninth conference game played by the Pac-12, Big 12, and, in the future, the Big Ten. Then all things are equal and nothing to bitch about.
Take that game out of the equation, their OOC schedule is basically on par with OS. Compare their schedule to Washington's, which was a total joke.
FWIW, I don't think Bama deserves to play for the NC by any means, or that they didn't get by on playing bad SEC teams. They still beat a decent LSU, Miss St and A&M. Lost to Auburn.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 5, 2018 15:02:24 GMT -8
I guess you could say they played a tougher schedule....but it isn't that different Conference schedules are conference schedules. Nothing you can do about that (except play 9 games instead of 8)
Ohio State OOC: Oklahoma, Army, UNLV Alabama OOC: Florida State (neutral site), Fresno State, CSU, Mercer
Mercer is the killer, but the FSUs and CSU all made bowl games.
UNLV lost to Howard as a 45 point favorite at home.
My analysis is that both teams are sissies for not playing on the road, but at least Alabama played the preseason #3 at a neutral site (though Alabama has played at least one game in Atlanta every season since 2012.)
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 5, 2018 15:05:26 GMT -8
Alabama OOC schedule: Fresno State, Mercer, Colorado State, all at home.
Washington OOC schedule: Fresno State, @ Rutgers, Montana.
Seems like a total wash to me. Washington even played a road game. If Washington's OOC was a joke, what is Alabama's?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2018 15:05:52 GMT -8
Simply not true. Bag on them for the 8 game schedule, but the OOC whining doesn't hold merit when it comes to the top-level SEC teams, which routinely schedule at least one tough OOC game.
Georgia played Notre Dame and Georgia Tech (which it plays every year). Not Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year, they also beat Fresno State and Colorado State. Last year they crushed USC. Wisconsin the year before.
This is the problem, though. Alabama did not beat anyone. The best team that they played, they lost to and that was the second-best team in the SEC, Auburn. The Tide played Arkansas, Mississippi on probation, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Vandy. Utah, the ninth-best Pac-12 team, could have beaten any of those five teams on a neutral field. The only teams that they beat with pulses were LSU (by 14) and Mississippi State (on a last-minute touchdown pass). Colorado State was mediocre and Alabama's defense gave up more points than Colorado or Wyoming allowed. Fresno State did not have a quarterback, when Alabama played them. Florida State needed to schedule a game against a directional Louisiana school and cook the books to get a bowl bid. The Buckeyes did not play an FCS team and won nine games against conference teams. Ohio State beat four 10-win teams and lost to a fifth. Alabama beat 10-4 Fresno State and lost to the other 10-win team they played. Inasmuch as it is not "Bama's fault that Florida State sucked this year," the Tide also should not be rewarded for beating a bunch of mediocre teams. Ohio State was far more deserving than Bama to play in the Playoff. Please don't assume any Pac 12 team can beat so and so. We just saw the Pac 12 get outed as a complete fraud. The Pac 12 is basically an inch better than the MWC this year. SDSU beat Stanford and ASU, Boise State beat hole, CSU beat OSU.
I was 100% against Bama playing in the NC, should have been OSU...stated that several times here. I'm not defending Bama, I'm simply stating the obvious when it comes to how they schedule OOC. They usually schedule a tough OOC game. Someone in Beaverville always whines about SEC not playing tough OOC games. No one can hold a match to the Pac 12 in that department certainly.
And if you are going to go through this exercise to denigrate other teams scheduling, please do so with Washington, which also played a joke of a schedule and got to beat up on crappy Pac 12 teams.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Jan 5, 2018 16:06:58 GMT -8
I think the argument that Ohio State played a tougher schedule is obvious. However, they played a tougher schedule and lost at HOME to Oklahoma. So I'm okay with Bama getting in over them.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 5, 2018 17:06:46 GMT -8
I wasn't the one denigrating UW's OOC schedule. That was ESPN, when in truth Alabama's OOC (given the 9th conference game equivalency to FSU) was just as soft. But ESPN is never gonna criticize the SEC.
I think several teams (tOSU, Wisconsin, UCF) would have defeated Clemson. Alabama's the only one that got that opportunity, however.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 17:13:17 GMT -8
Well Washington got in the playoff last year with this schedule: Rutgers W Idaho W Portland State W @ Arizona W(OT) Stanford W @ Oregon W Oregon State W @ Utah W @ Cal W USC L Arizona State W @washington State W Pac 12 Championship vs Colorado W OSU, or any PAC 12 team, would need to have only one loss and be the conference champion to have a shot to get in the playoff
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