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Post by nexus73 on Jan 5, 2018 17:42:14 GMT -8
Quick answer: Hire Nick Saban and give him 5 years to build a real machine that reloads and never rebuilds.
Price for coaching has gone up. Gruden just signed with the Raiders. 10 year deal for $100 million. Not bad for a former coach who has been out of the game for almost a decade. Pro or college, you want premium grade HC's, it looks like $10 million per year is the mark to meet. Even with such a coach, there are no guarantees of success. Injuries happen. NCAA violations crop up. Another team gets hot at just the wrong time for the one you have and wins a critical game.
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 5, 2018 17:43:38 GMT -8
Bama has a respectful OOC. Vandy not so much, so that conference beating of Vandy shows as Bama beat a four win team. Would be a three win team in a nine game conference schedule. You can name the SEC teams I don’t care. Sure the top is good but they appear better by playing crap ooc late in the season and beating conference teams that play four patsies a year. Don’t rig the schedules, don’t get so many compounding cheap wins as a conference and things are different. Conferences need to be standardly sized and schedules harmonized to number of in/ out of conference or it is just a shell game, currently being played best by the SEC. Reality check: Vanderbilt >> Oregon State in 2017. 2016 and 2015 too btw. Did I miss that game? Or miss when I compared the two
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Post by ostate on Jan 5, 2018 18:30:15 GMT -8
...To make the college football playoffs. To be upfront I'm not one who really cares about that being our goal. I'd be happy with winning seasons, and mid level bowl wins. A Rose Bowl victory over the BIG 10 Champ would be my idea of a perfect season, a true dream season, but not something I expect. Anyhow, if Wisconsin who went undefeated in the regular season can't get in over a 1 loss SEC team who didn't even win their division, or UCF who won their conference and went 13-0 can't get in, what on earth would the Beavers have to do to ever get a shot at the CFP? The best chance the Beavs have ever had to get into the playoffs occurs next year: 1) Beat Ohio State on the road and Ohio State wins the B10 2) Go undefeated the rest of the way including beating uDub in SEA 3) Win the P12 Conf Champ Game Without a quality non-conference win and an undefeated season, the P12 champion will find it hard to be in the playoffs with espn controlling the selection committee...
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 5, 2018 20:47:37 GMT -8
Reality check: Vanderbilt >> Oregon State in 2017. 2016 and 2015 too btw. Did I miss that game? Or miss when I compared the two You must have missed all our games because we sucked!
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 5, 2018 20:49:15 GMT -8
...To make the college football playoffs. To be upfront I'm not one who really cares about that being our goal. I'd be happy with winning seasons, and mid level bowl wins. A Rose Bowl victory over the BIG 10 Champ would be my idea of a perfect season, a true dream season, but not something I expect. Anyhow, if Wisconsin who went undefeated in the regular season can't get in over a 1 loss SEC team who didn't even win their division, or UCF who won their conference and went 13-0 can't get in, what on earth would the Beavers have to do to ever get a shot at the CFP? The best chance the Beavs have ever had to get into the playoffs occurs next year: 1) Beat Ohio State on the road and Ohio State wins the B10 2) Go undefeated the rest of the way including beating uDub in SEA 3) Win the P12 Conf Champ Game Without a quality non-conference win and an undefeated season, the P12 champion will find it hard to be in the playoffs with espn controlling the selection committee... I’m booking tickets!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 5, 2018 22:29:56 GMT -8
I guess you could say they played a tougher schedule....but it isn't that different Conference schedules are conference schedules. Nothing you can do about that (except play 9 games instead of 8) Ohio State OOC: Oklahoma, Army, UNLV Alabama OOC: Florida State (neutral site), Fresno State, CSU, Mercer Mercer is the killer, but the FSUs and CSU all made bowl games. UNLV lost to Howard as a 45 point favorite at home. My analysis is that both teams are sissies for not playing on the road, but at least Alabama played the preseason #3 at a neutral site (though Alabama has played at least one game in Atlanta every season since 2012.) Florida State made a bowl game, but probably didn't actually qualify, because Delaware State probably failed to comply with the 90% rule. The Fresno State that Alabama beat was not the Fresno State that won the Mountain West West. (Hilarious, Mountain West, by the way! Almost ranks up there with the Leaders and Legends Divisions.) Colorado State finished fifth in the Mountain West and lost to the sixth-best Conference USA in the New Mexico Bowl. Oklahoma is a far better team than any team that Alabama played. Army went 10-3 and beat the third-best Mountain West team. UNLV lost to Howard, but they also beat Fresno State by double-digits in Fresno. Ohio State scored 54 points, the most points scored by any team on UNLV in more than two years.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 6, 2018 11:18:38 GMT -8
Alabama OOC schedule: Fresno State, Mercer, Colorado State, all at home. Washington OOC schedule: Fresno State, @ Rutgers, Montana. Seems like a total wash to me. Washington even played a road game. If Washington's OOC was a joke, what is Alabama's? Oh don't stop there. Who did Washington play the rest of the year. WSU? Oregon? They lost to ASU and Stanford.
Let me put it this way. LSU plays Washington's schedule, I think they go undefeated. Auburn certainly does.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 6, 2018 11:31:33 GMT -8
I guess you could say they played a tougher schedule....but it isn't that different Conference schedules are conference schedules. Nothing you can do about that (except play 9 games instead of 8) Ohio State OOC: Oklahoma, Army, UNLV Alabama OOC: Florida State (neutral site), Fresno State, CSU, Mercer Mercer is the killer, but the FSUs and CSU all made bowl games. UNLV lost to Howard as a 45 point favorite at home. My analysis is that both teams are sissies for not playing on the road, but at least Alabama played the preseason #3 at a neutral site (though Alabama has played at least one game in Atlanta every season since 2012.) Florida State made a bowl game, but probably didn't actually qualify, because Delaware State probably failed to comply with the 90% rule. The Fresno State that Alabama beat was not the Fresno State that won the Mountain West West. (Hilarious, Mountain West, by the way! Almost ranks up there with the Leaders and Legends Divisions.) Colorado State finished fifth in the Mountain West and lost to the sixth-best Conference USA in the New Mexico Bowl. Oklahoma is a far better team than any team that Alabama played. Army went 10-3 and beat the third-best Mountain West team. UNLV lost to Howard, but they also beat Fresno State by double-digits in Fresno. Ohio State scored 54 points, the most points scored by any team on UNLV in more than two years. C'mon Wilky. Georgia, which just beat OK, lost to Auburn. Oklahoma is not far and away better than Auburn, I wouldn't argue they aren't better, but your comment is hyperbole. OK's D is horrendous, their offense is just uuber productive.
That said, this NCAA math is mumbo jumbo BS, so here's the bottom line. There are a small handful of really good football teams. Ohio State, Wisky, Penn St, OK, Auburn, Georgia, Bama, Clemson. I'll even throw CF in there, but they have the Boise State thing going, I think a season in a power conference drains their depth through attrition. Regardless, I think it's safe to say all those teams could beat one of the others given the right circumstances (home or away, time of year, etc.). Even the next tier of teams down could compete and potentially win (Wash, ND, TCU, Miami, etc), but they really aren't at the same level.
If this debate is Alabama didn't deserve to play in the NC tournament the way they have it structured, no argument from me. But are they one of the best teams in the country, without a doubt. They just proved it by thoroughly crushing the #1 team in the country. Had there been an 8-team playoff, Bama would have been the odds on favorite. I would have rooted against them to lose in every game they played, as I did last week and will Monday, but if I had to pick one to win in an 8 game format, I'd pick Bama to win it.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 6, 2018 12:44:01 GMT -8
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Post by blackbug on Jan 6, 2018 13:20:33 GMT -8
The best part is when it uses the transitive theory to prove a team is better than a team they were defeated by. Such as, we are better than Washington because we lost to Stanford by 1 point and Washington lost by 8. Good for some laughs.
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 6, 2018 20:12:48 GMT -8
Did I miss that game? Or miss when I compared the two You must have missed all our games because we sucked! [ And that changes the fact that Vandy gets wins by playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers on November 4 @ Home - how?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 6, 2018 20:17:46 GMT -8
You must have missed all our games because we sucked! [ And that changes the fact that Vandy gets wins by playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers on November 4 @ Home - how? If I have to explain it, you weren’t paying attention.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jan 7, 2018 18:00:58 GMT -8
Screw everything above.... all I know and remember is that by end of 2000.... Beavs would be in any game against anyone.... with a very good chance to win.
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Post by prothro on Jan 8, 2018 18:22:58 GMT -8
But what about #9? They should have been in! Blah blah blah I don’t think #9 would have a leg to stand on, but 8 teams (IMO) is the only thing that makes sense. How can you say that if a conference is deemed worthy of “equal status” with the other 4, that their champion shouldn’t automatically deserve a spot in the playoff - even when the conference has what’s perceived as a down year? They play virtually no common opponents with other conference members as very few teams in the conversation find much value in scheduling solid opponents from other Power 5 conferences in their OOC schedules. Lame excuses like “it would trivialize the regular season” are just justification from greedy bowl reprentatives and the NCAA. They have little interest in what we want, it’s all about the benjamins. I consider any argument that suggests that a system that always leaves out at least one conference champion from the playoff as not worth my energy to debate. It’s just wrong. The system is incredibly subjective, and such a joke given the love affair that exists for all things SEC. Even knowing that we have an all SEC final and the fact that the PAC 12 was horrible in bowl games doesn’t change my opinion an iota. The way the SEC did in almost every other bowl game shows that it wasn’t a deep conference - so how tough was the road they traveled to get there? Unless we want them to rate worthiness of each conference on a yearly basis, when you are judged as competitively equal - which they claim that the Power 5 are - the champion of all 5 deserve a spot. Period. Georgia earned their way in as SEC champs. Not going to deny that even though the rest of the SEC East are P5 in name only. I have an issue with Alabama being in it for reasons similar to those you point out above. They were not the champion of their conference. I would also argue that a team should not receive an advantage due to their lack of presence in the title game. Alabama avoided their conference's title game and by doing so were able to rest and prepare players an extra week that was not available to the other teams in the playoff. As this game will represent the kind of offensive football that would make the Flying Wedge seem inventive by comparison, I'm not watching a down of it. I remember the last all-SEC final, easily the worst one played in this BCS/playoff era. I'm a fan of an 8-team playoff myself. Only problem is that unless you make the P5 champions automatic entrants, it will end up getting stacked with Big 10/SEC teams to the exclusion of more worthy teams in other conferences.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 9, 2018 7:27:53 GMT -8
I think the Georgia Alabama game will be a snoozefest. This statement aged well.......
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