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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 17, 2018 14:35:42 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker?
Returning QB's:
6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran
Incoming:
6'2" 180 Jake Dukart
UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall.
On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season.
What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 15:16:44 GMT -8
an offensive line that can protect him, a running game that keeps every team we play from stacking the box, and receivers that can get open and catch the ball when it hits them in the hands ( a QB that doesn't drop every other snap is a plus). If Lutton can actually play, he hasn't proved that he is a Pac 12 QB yet, although he did show some potential to be. None of the others are probably even 3rd stringers on any Pac 12 team, at least this coming year. The defense also has a "long way" to go, but even if they were solid, they are just going to be on the field too long and will wear down unless we can occasionally move the ball. Honestly, we need a quality mobile QB to transfer in to have a chance at being competitive offensively next year(s). He is going to be running for his life. The QB situation is poor. Stanford is not a relevant comparison, because they control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Now if you can get those big guys up front to transfer in, yea we could get by with and average QB. Lets hope having a "non-dysfunctional" coaching staff pleasantly surprises us given how weak the roster is.
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 17, 2018 15:29:14 GMT -8
Someone who can hit a receiver coming across the middle, or running flat out 50 yards down the field, 60% completion rate w/at least a 2/1 td to int ratio and can hand the ball off - but really it starts with an O-line that gives him time to do all these things
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 17, 2018 16:43:50 GMT -8
Everything. Repeat Everything starts up front. Both sides of the ball. I knew from the get go we were in serious trouble when PSU lines manhandled the Beavs. Our strength was terrible across the board.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:45:45 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker? Returning QB's: 6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran Incoming: 6'2" 180 Jake Dukart UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall. On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season. What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter? not saying Blount, Willard & Moran is a baloney sandwich but isn't Dukart the back up already?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 17, 2018 17:02:29 GMT -8
FWIW Costello only started 8 games.
Between Smith and Riley, I expect our QB play to improve immensely. I'd hope to see it on par with the guy from Fresno State at minimum.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 17, 2018 21:03:20 GMT -8
an offensive line that can protect him, a running game that keeps every team we play from stacking the box, and receivers that can get open and catch the ball when it hits them in the hands ( a QB that doesn't drop every other snap is a plus). If Lutton can actually play, he hasn't proved that he is a Pac 12 QB yet, although he did show some potential to be. None of the others are probably even 3rd stringers on any Pac 12 team, at least this coming year. The defense also has a "long way" to go, but even if they were solid, they are just going to be on the field too long and will wear down unless we can occasionally move the ball. Honestly, we need a quality mobile QB to transfer in to have a chance at being competitive offensively next year(s). He is going to be running for his life. The QB situation is poor. Stanford is not a relevant comparison, because they control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Now if you can get those big guys up front to transfer in, yea we could get by with and average QB. Lets hope having a "non-dysfunctional" coaching staff pleasantly surprises us given how weak the roster is. I agree with a lot of your post. The only thing I really don’t agree with is the mobile qb thing. So there you go. The truth, not just words to say my past criticisms were honest too. I hope Luton is physically able to return without risk of long term serious injuries. I think he can do it, especially with CJS tutoring him.
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Post by zebraworks on Jan 17, 2018 22:00:20 GMT -8
still hope we land a late transfer or JC guy. Luton stinks even if he was healthy. who saw willard in practice action this year?? I haven't heard much on him, if GA thought he was bad he could be awesome!! Otherwise maybe we'll flashback to having a true frosh start again. Hopefully it turns out like JS and not Seth Collins.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 18, 2018 6:18:55 GMT -8
still hope we land a late transfer or JC guy. Luton stinks even if he was healthy. who saw willard in practice action this year?? I haven't heard much on him, if GA thought he was bad he could be awesome!! Otherwise maybe we'll flashback to having a true frosh start again. Hopefully it turns out like JS and not Seth Collins. I think Luton has a ton of potential and will do much better in a new system with coaches that know what they are doing. He struggles to throw on the run, which was 75% of the time, so yeah, we are going to need better line play.
Redundant statement by me, but Luton looks like your classic Riley QB and had he been in that system from the get go, I think he would have been Mannion-esque.
I'll think back to the 2017 season and always wonder what the f that was I saw offensively. Coming off the tail end of 2016 with a scheme that was clearly starting to click, a QB that mastered it, and a super stud RB who should have gained 1500 yards last season. I've never seen that level of dips%#ttery by a coaching staff ever, not even at OSU. It literally was the opposite of building on success, it was deconstructing it, or reconstructing incompetence, however you want to look at it.
I can't make Luton the fall guy for Andersen's idiocy. he didn't have a prayer to succeed in whatever scheme they drew up for 2017, which was basically brand new.
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Post by coforange on Jan 18, 2018 7:04:12 GMT -8
still hope we land a late transfer or JC guy. Luton stinks even if he was healthy. who saw willard in practice action this year?? I haven't heard much on him, if GA thought he was bad he could be awesome!! Otherwise maybe we'll flashback to having a true frosh start again. Hopefully it turns out like JS and not Seth Collins. From what I heard through a player on the team, he feels that Blount has the best arm in the current roster from last year. I watched spring practice last year and felt Willard showed some signs of being a mobile player that could throw on the run. He scrambled once for a 12 yd td as well. Then Moran came from the high school where he backed up two great qb's that both played at d1 level.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 18, 2018 7:16:38 GMT -8
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 18, 2018 7:52:51 GMT -8
Wow, that's some deep digging.
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Post by bennyorange on Jan 18, 2018 8:11:12 GMT -8
This might be the best description (dips%#ttery) for the offensive scheme decisions of the prior coaching staff. Completely mind boggling when looked at from outside the forest. I'll think back to the 2017 season and always wonder what the f that was I saw offensively. Coming off the tail end of 2016 with a scheme that was clearly starting to click, a QB that mastered it, and a super stud RB who should have gained 1500 yards last season. I've never seen that level of dips%#ttery by a coaching staff ever, not even at OSU. It literally was the opposite of building on success, it was deconstructing it, or reconstructing incompetence, however you want to look at it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 18, 2018 10:19:38 GMT -8
Wow, that's some deep digging. Yep. Always check your sources.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2018 10:29:50 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker? Returning QB's: 6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran Incoming: 6'2" 180 Jake Dukart UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall. On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season. What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter? Based with only what we know right now. Luton is probably the odds favorite to be the starter next season. As mentioned, he is a prototypical Riley style QB AND he is what we can imagine CJS wants in a QB: Big arm, reasonable mobility. He is the kind of guy that would play for Erickson, play for Riley or play for Petersen (if he proves himself savvy enough to understand Petersen's schemes. brains is big for Petersen). Of course that can change. And of course we have seen a propensity for turnovers with Luton as well. But I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based on some past coaches of his... We know he has been cleared to return to some activities. He has been throwing the football again and all that since October. We know his fracture was stable and he himself reported he is not at any increased risk of harm from it. While we don't know for sure what his plans are, I am still saying he is the front runner. That of course can change if we grab a JC QB that we are targeting.
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