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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 22, 2018 14:40:51 GMT -8
Since Stanford and QBs were brought up in this thread, is Keller Chryst a viable option? He has just announced he will be doing the graduate transfer thing for his 5th year. I’d rather see Luton in a real offense with coaches that have a clue.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jan 22, 2018 18:39:38 GMT -8
Big question is whether Luton CAN play. And WANTS to play. I have seen nothing saying he’s back and will be competing this coming year. I do think he has potential. With new staff. Unfortunately he only has 1 year. More potential than he ever had playing under GA.... that whole thing was a joke. I felt bad for Jake before he got hurt.... square peg in a hole that was texagonal... or something.
Beyond him, I don’t think we have anyone that could even hope to be a top PAC QB. No offense to the depth chart. And yes I do believe you need to have a top QB.
When were we really competitive.... ? Who was our QB ? ... think he’s getting paid now. When were we competitive before that.? ..... pretty sure they got paid for play as well. DA is still playing. Getting paid. And not getting hit. Best job in the world.
All respect to QB depth chart. There ain’t anyone going to get paid in the League.
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Post by rockybeav on Jan 22, 2018 21:31:48 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2018 11:32:46 GMT -8
Big question is whether Luton CAN play. And WANTS to play. I have seen nothing saying he’s back and will be competing this coming year. I do think he has potential. With new staff. Unfortunately he only has 1 year. More potential than he ever had playing under GA.... that whole thing was a joke. I felt bad for Jake before he got hurt.... square peg in a hole that was texagonal... or something. Beyond him, I don’t think we have anyone that could even hope to be a top PAC QB. No offense to the depth chart. And yes I do believe you need to have a top QB. When were we really competitive.... ? Who was our QB ? ... think he’s getting paid now. When were we competitive before that.? ..... pretty sure they got paid for play as well. DA is still playing. Getting paid. And not getting hit. Best job in the world. All respect to QB depth chart. There ain’t anyone going to get paid in the League. This is old: www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/11/watch_jake_luton_excited_for_n.htmlI doubt anything has changed but as things develop you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker? Returning QB's: 6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran Incoming: 6'2" 180 Jake Dukart UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall. On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season. What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter? Watching the GOAT this weekend gave me hope for beav fb. One good qb can account for many wins, even before the talent level of the rest of the team catches up. And JS has his qb yoda to get this whirlybird in the air. The force is with us.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 23, 2018 13:19:04 GMT -8
Big question is whether Luton CAN play. And WANTS to play. I have seen nothing saying he’s back and will be competing this coming year. I do think he has potential. With new staff. Unfortunately he only has 1 year. More potential than he ever had playing under GA.... that whole thing was a joke. I felt bad for Jake before he got hurt.... square peg in a hole that was texagonal... or something. Beyond him, I don’t think we have anyone that could even hope to be a top PAC QB. No offense to the depth chart. And yes I do believe you need to have a top QB. When were we really competitive.... ? Who was our QB ? ... think he’s getting paid now. When were we competitive before that.? ..... pretty sure they got paid for play as well. DA is still playing. Getting paid. And not getting hit. Best job in the world. All respect to QB depth chart. There ain’t anyone going to get paid in the League. Hey...former cga is getting paid too!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 23, 2018 13:32:14 GMT -8
We've only really seen one of the QBs in the depth chart, and he was running an offense he really wasn't suited for. He has one decent year and due to his measurables he gets a look as an UDFA. Getting a paycheck or two in the NFL, maybe more, is not impossible.
We'd really need to see what's in the depth chart play under this group of coaches to draw conclusions.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 23, 2018 13:36:58 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker? Returning QB's: 6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran Incoming: 6'2" 180 Jake Dukart UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall. On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season. What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter? Watching the GOAT this weekend gave me hope for beav fb. One good qb can account for many wins, even before the talent level of the rest of the team catches up. And JS has his qb yoda to get this whirlybird in the air. The force is with us. Watching Brady reminded me of Riley’s eye for talent at his position too. We saw several examples of that when he was our HC, but probably the most notorious example is the one that got away...twice. First, when Riley was the OC at USC, he urged John Robinson to pursue Brady, whom he’d seen play many times and developed a great relationship with in SoCal. Robinson went another direction instead, the guy he chose ended up being moved to DB, and Brady ended up at Michigan. Though he had a decent career playing for the run-first Wolverines, I wonder what he could have accomplished playing for MR? 4 years later, San Diego GM Bobby Beathard asked MR who he’d like to draft. He said Brady immediately, but Beathard ignored it and went another direction through 5 rounds, and New England snagged Brady in the 6th. In the right situation, the talent and intangibles that Riley saw in Brady just blew up. To this day, Brady and his dad love and highly respect Riley. Brady’s dad recently said that they had as much respect for Mike Riley as they have for any coach at any level. That’s encouraging to know that JS will be able to consult with MR and mine his vast knowledge and judgment regarding QB prospects.
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 23, 2018 14:12:53 GMT -8
Coaching is a lot about QB success. Figure out what he can do and what he ca't do. Adjust the offense to what he can do and, like with any employee, put him in a position to succeed. Asking him to do what he can't do is setting the entire team up for failure.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jan 23, 2018 18:03:40 GMT -8
Big question is whether Luton CAN play. And WANTS to play. I have seen nothing saying he’s back and will be competing this coming year. I do think he has potential. With new staff. Unfortunately he only has 1 year. More potential than he ever had playing under GA.... that whole thing was a joke. I felt bad for Jake before he got hurt.... square peg in a hole that was texagonal... or something. Beyond him, I don’t think we have anyone that could even hope to be a top PAC QB. No offense to the depth chart. And yes I do believe you need to have a top QB. When were we really competitive.... ? Who was our QB ? ... think he’s getting paid now. When were we competitive before that.? ..... pretty sure they got paid for play as well. DA is still playing. Getting paid. And not getting hit. Best job in the world. All respect to QB depth chart. There ain’t anyone going to get paid in the League. Hey...former cga is getting paid too! Certainly not because of any head coaching skills and QB talent evaluation acumen.....
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 23, 2018 20:03:56 GMT -8
Hey...former cga is getting paid too! Certainly not because of any head coaching skills and QB talent evaluation acumen..... So running back evaluation? Or must be the defensive coordinator skills then? he is assistant head coach. But I'm trying to figure what his value add is
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 24, 2018 8:46:42 GMT -8
Certainly not because of any head coaching skills and QB talent evaluation acumen..... So running back evaluation? Or must be the defensive coordinator skills then? he is assistant head coach. But I'm trying to figure what his value add is I believe he the coach in charge of "toughness".
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Post by biggieorange on Jan 24, 2018 9:30:39 GMT -8
The Pac has always been called "the QB conference". That begs the question can you be successful in the P12 without a highly effective QB? Do we have one currently on our roster capable of being a difference maker? Returning QB's: 6'7" 234 Sr. Jake Luton 6'1" 202 Rs-So. Connor Blount 6'2" 188 Rs-Fr. Aidan Willard 6'3" 196 Rs-So. Mason Moran Incoming: 6'2" 180 Jake Dukart UCLA had the conferences' leading passer and were losers at 4-5, and 6-7 overall. On the other hand Stanford's Costello ranked 11th in total pass yards yet Stanford was North Division Champs. It appears with a strong enough defense and run game, a team can be successful in the P12 with an average QB who does not turn the ball over. Costello threw only 4 INT's in 11 games. Browning ranked 8th in total passing yards, but also limited turnovers, 5 INT's in 13 games, to help UW to a 10 win season. What will OSU need from the QB position in order to be successful and who do you see coming out of fall camp as the starter? I mean, yes you can to answer your question see Stanford under David (round hole square peg) Shaw. But there is an upper ceiling to how far you can go with below average QB play, even with GREAT olines, RB, and defensive front 7's
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 24, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -8
So running back evaluation? Or must be the defensive coordinator skills then? he is assistant head coach. But I'm trying to figure what his value add is I believe he the coach in charge of "toughness". I think you may be on to it. Addtional duties as assigned. ie: washing Big Boy Pants
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:09:38 GMT -8
Since Stanford and QBs were brought up in this thread, is Keller Chryst a viable option? He has just announced he will be doing the graduate transfer thing for his 5th year. It is believed he is going to go to Wisconsin. Paul Chryst is his uncle. But, you never know. He probably doesn't start there. If he is transferring to be able to start, not sure he goes there. As for him coming here. Eh, I'd rather have an incoming QB have more than a year available to them, particularly in a year that is clearly (ugh, again) rebuilding. I'd rather have the guy that is going to be here a few years starting. and if we are going to go with a one and done, I'd favor just having Luton fight for that right. That, and I have never really been overwhelmed with him. He seems spectacularly average. agreed. Darryl outplayed Keller Chryst. Darryl.
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