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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 2, 2018 21:25:19 GMT -8
He's only .04 seconds slower than the dude down the street, and better bench, that guys projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. RB is a crapshoot position, and there are a ton of them in this draft. SO BB is probably right, he'll probably go day 3 or FA. Although it won't surprise me at all of some team falls in love with him and takes him earlier. Hey, Kareem Hunt-4.62 40 and 18 reps BP. 3rd round pick, 1327 yards as a rookie. CJ Anderson, 4.6 ypc/17 reps. Alex Collins, 4.59 40/18 reps. I said it earlier, put Nall on a top 20 team with an offensive line and he's an All-American. If he can average 5.5 ypc playing behind 3 of the worst offensive lines in the nation, imagine how he would do playing behind Wisconsin's. Ill just politely and respectfully say... you're off your rocker! 😉 So, a guy like Freeman was all offensive line? Scouts can be wrong... but, in the world of NFL RBs Ryan is not a special player. Combine numbers are one aspect. All the guys you mention were rated higher, had higher ceilings as RBs than Ryan. Nall is a low rd pick at best and most likely changing positions IF he can stay healthy. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 3, 2018 7:10:04 GMT -8
He's only .04 seconds slower than the dude down the street, and better bench, that guys projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. RB is a crapshoot position, and there are a ton of them in this draft. SO BB is probably right, he'll probably go day 3 or FA. Although it won't surprise me at all of some team falls in love with him and takes him earlier. Hey, Kareem Hunt-4.62 40 and 18 reps BP. 3rd round pick, 1327 yards as a rookie. CJ Anderson, 4.6 ypc/17 reps. Alex Collins, 4.59 40/18 reps. I said it earlier, put Nall on a top 20 team with an offensive line and he's an All-American. If he can average 5.5 ypc playing behind 3 of the worst offensive lines in the nation, imagine how he would do playing behind Wisconsin's. Ill just politely and respectfully say... you're off your rocker! 😉 So, a guy like Freeman was all offensive line? Scouts can be wrong... but, in the world of NFL RBs Ryan is not a special player. Combine numbers are one aspect. All the guys you mention were rated higher, had higher ceilings as RBs than Ryan. Nall is a low rd pick at best and most likely changing positions IF he can stay healthy.
Freeman is not better than Nall IMO. Yes, Oregon's offensive line was way better (3 were all pac 12, zero for OSU), he played in a dynamic offense, particularly when his QB was healthy, and had far better people surrounding him. Oregon still averaged more than a 100 ypg than OSU with their starting QB out half the year. And your right, Scouts don't always get it right, the kid from USC has been projected as a top RB in this draft, and he's going to be a huge bust. I've seen Ryan Nall carry his team, through wins and losses. Freeman was just part of the system, something Nall could have easily been too had he played RB at Oregon.
I don't disagree with you regarding Nall's future in the NFL. He doesn't have that extra sauce to any aspect of his game. I doubt he's changing positions and sticks, NFL rarely goes that route, especially with a guy projected as a FA. I doubt he sticks because he can't stay healthy, and for a young low round or FA pick, that's a must.
Part of the reason scouts don't have him ranked higher is because he's missed so many games to injury and he played on an uuber s%#tty team, particularly last year. His 2016 highlight tape is in this thread, it's pretty awesome. Compare it to Freeman's, which is just him running through gaping holes for 90 yard TDs. Nall's has him breaking multiple tackles, juking the s%#t out of defenders, showing off his hands, and outrunning the entire WSU defense. That should have been a precursor to 2017. He was all Pac 12 HM in 2016, that should have trended upward if CGA didn't dick out.
Here's a lot of ifs and just my opinion...but if CGA had kept 3M and ran the same offense last year that was working at the end of 2016, and if Nall stayed healthy for all of them, I think he gains 1500 yards and is rated way higher than he is. Would that impact his future NFL career, of course not, but it absolutely would impact his draft prospects.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2018 8:50:34 GMT -8
Ill just politely and respectfully say... you're off your rocker! 😉 So, a guy like Freeman was all offensive line? Scouts can be wrong... but, in the world of NFL RBs Ryan is not a special player. Combine numbers are one aspect. All the guys you mention were rated higher, had higher ceilings as RBs than Ryan. Nall is a low rd pick at best and most likely changing positions IF he can stay healthy.
Freeman is not better than Nall IMO. Yes, Oregon's offensive line was way better (3 were all pac 12, zero for OSU), he played in a dynamic offense, particularly when his QB was healthy, and had far better people surrounding him. Oregon still averaged more than a 100 ypg than OSU with their starting QB out half the year. And your right, Scouts don't always get it right, the kid from USC has been projected as a top RB in this draft, and he's going to be a huge bust. I've seen Ryan Nall carry his team, through wins and losses. Freeman was just part of the system, something Nall could have easily been too had he played RB at Oregon.
I don't disagree with you regarding Nall's future in the NFL. He doesn't have that extra sauce to any aspect of his game. I doubt he's changing positions and sticks, NFL rarely goes that route, especially with a guy projected as a FA. I doubt he sticks because he can't stay healthy, and for a young low round or FA pick, that's a must.
Part of the reason scouts don't have him ranked higher is because he's missed so many games to injury and he played on an uuber s%#tty team, particularly last year. His 2016 highlight tape is in this thread, it's pretty awesome. Compare it to Freeman's, which is just him running through gaping holes for 90 yard TDs. Nall's has him breaking multiple tackles, juking the s%#t out of defenders, showing off his hands, and outrunning the entire WSU defense. That should have been a precursor to 2017. He was all Pac 12 HM in 2016, that should have trended upward if CGA didn't dick out.
Here's a lot of ifs and just my opinion...but if CGA had kept 3M and ran the same offense last year that was working at the end of 2016, and if Nall stayed healthy for all of them, I think he gains 1500 yards and is rated way higher than he is. Would that impact his future NFL career, of course not, but it absolutely would impact his draft prospects.
Every NFL scout, analyst, exec has a far far different "opinion". Freeman was surrounded by a bevy of other quality RBs during his career at Oregon and still became the all-time leader. Lol... he's far more than a "system" guy. Extrapolating Nall as playing for Oregon is farcical and complete nonsense as... well, he didn't. However in playing that game one could state with the same degree of confidence that Ryan would not have played RB at all. With his slow start to his career, uncertainty where he fit, the skill set and stable of RBs at Oregon, the type of offensive scheme, and Nall's proclivity for getting dinged one could easily say Ryan would not even be at the invite had he attended Oregon. Who knows what their NFL futures will bring, but Freeman (uck or not) >>> Nall. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 3, 2018 10:25:27 GMT -8
Freeman is not better than Nall IMO. Yes, Oregon's offensive line was way better (3 were all pac 12, zero for OSU), he played in a dynamic offense, particularly when his QB was healthy, and had far better people surrounding him. Oregon still averaged more than a 100 ypg than OSU with their starting QB out half the year. And your right, Scouts don't always get it right, the kid from USC has been projected as a top RB in this draft, and he's going to be a huge bust. I've seen Ryan Nall carry his team, through wins and losses. Freeman was just part of the system, something Nall could have easily been too had he played RB at Oregon.
I don't disagree with you regarding Nall's future in the NFL. He doesn't have that extra sauce to any aspect of his game. I doubt he's changing positions and sticks, NFL rarely goes that route, especially with a guy projected as a FA. I doubt he sticks because he can't stay healthy, and for a young low round or FA pick, that's a must.
Part of the reason scouts don't have him ranked higher is because he's missed so many games to injury and he played on an uuber s%#tty team, particularly last year. His 2016 highlight tape is in this thread, it's pretty awesome. Compare it to Freeman's, which is just him running through gaping holes for 90 yard TDs. Nall's has him breaking multiple tackles, juking the s%#t out of defenders, showing off his hands, and outrunning the entire WSU defense. That should have been a precursor to 2017. He was all Pac 12 HM in 2016, that should have trended upward if CGA didn't dick out.
Here's a lot of ifs and just my opinion...but if CGA had kept 3M and ran the same offense last year that was working at the end of 2016, and if Nall stayed healthy for all of them, I think he gains 1500 yards and is rated way higher than he is. Would that impact his future NFL career, of course not, but it absolutely would impact his draft prospects.
Every NFL scout, analyst, exec has a far far different "opinion". Freeman was surrounded by a bevy of other quality RBs during his career at Oregon and still became the all-time leader. Lol... he's far more than a "system" guy. Extrapolating Nall as playing for Oregon is farcical and complete nonsense as... well, he didn't. However in playing that game one could state with the same degree of confidence that Ryan would not have played RB at all. With his slow start to his career, uncertainty where he fit, the skill set and stable of RBs at Oregon, the type of offensive scheme, and Nall's proclivity for getting dinged one could easily say Ryan would not even be at the invite had he attended Oregon. Who knows what their NFL futures will bring, but Freeman (uck or not) >>> Nall.
Other not a system Duck RBs....LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, De'anthony Thomas. Freeman became the leading rusher at hole because he played 4 years, James would have had 1,000 yards more than him if he stayed his Senior year. He has the lowest YPC of all of them, and only 0.1 YPC more than that kid 40 miles north. Granted, Freeman is much larger, but still mostly ran through the same 10 yard holes untouched as the other three. Good luck finding many clips of Freeman trucking defenders, they exist, but usually after he'd already rushed 15 yards.
Freeman's not really faster than Nall, he's not as strong as Nall, he's not more athletic than Nall, but he did go to a school that played in a NC while he was there, that wears super fancy uniforms, and he carried the ball more than any Oregon RB in history, so he's gotta be better, in fact >>> better than Nall.
And yeah, the guy who trucked Oregon for 174 yards and 9.2 ypc his freshman year and pretty much single-handedly pounded out Oregon's defense his sophomore year wouldn't play RB at Oregon.
But just because I respect your opinion, and love arguing with you, come to Reno in Sept and I'll buy beers. Just don't wear a Freeman jersey 
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2018 13:06:39 GMT -8
Every NFL scout, analyst, exec has a far far different "opinion". Freeman was surrounded by a bevy of other quality RBs during his career at Oregon and still became the all-time leader. Lol... he's far more than a "system" guy. Extrapolating Nall as playing for Oregon is farcical and complete nonsense as... well, he didn't. However in playing that game one could state with the same degree of confidence that Ryan would not have played RB at all. With his slow start to his career, uncertainty where he fit, the skill set and stable of RBs at Oregon, the type of offensive scheme, and Nall's proclivity for getting dinged one could easily say Ryan would not even be at the invite had he attended Oregon. Who knows what their NFL futures will bring, but Freeman (uck or not) >>> Nall.
Other not a system Duck RBs....LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, De'anthony Thomas. Freeman became the leading rusher at hole because he played 4 years, James would have had 1,000 yards more than him if he stayed his Senior year. He has the lowest YPC of all of them, and only 0.1 YPC more than that kid 40 miles north. Granted, Freeman is much larger, but still mostly ran through the same 10 yard holes untouched as the other three. Good luck finding many clips of Freeman trucking defenders, they exist, but usually after he'd already rushed 15 yards.
Freeman's not really faster than Nall, he's not as strong as Nall, he's not more athletic than Nall, but he did go to a school that played in a NC while he was there, that wears super fancy uniforms, and he carried the ball more than any Oregon RB in history, so he's gotta be better, in fact >>> better than Nall.
And yeah, the guy who trucked Oregon for 174 yards and 9.2 ypc his freshman year and pretty much single-handedly pounded out Oregon's defense his sophomore year wouldn't play RB at Oregon.
But just because I respect your opinion, and love arguing with you, come to Reno in Sept and I'll buy beers. Just don't wear a Freeman jersey
I'll be in Columbus, Reno, Boulder, Tempe, Palo Alto... NOT Seattle as a sunny hoops trip sounds better... Drinking discussions are always welcome with fun intelligent "combatants"... but, will prob be scotch or G&T... Long Island's after Ws... especially since Reno is walking distance from stadium to hotels! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 3, 2018 14:26:49 GMT -8
Other not a system Duck RBs....LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, De'anthony Thomas. Freeman became the leading rusher at hole because he played 4 years, James would have had 1,000 yards more than him if he stayed his Senior year. He has the lowest YPC of all of them, and only 0.1 YPC more than that kid 40 miles north. Granted, Freeman is much larger, but still mostly ran through the same 10 yard holes untouched as the other three. Good luck finding many clips of Freeman trucking defenders, they exist, but usually after he'd already rushed 15 yards.
Freeman's not really faster than Nall, he's not as strong as Nall, he's not more athletic than Nall, but he did go to a school that played in a NC while he was there, that wears super fancy uniforms, and he carried the ball more than any Oregon RB in history, so he's gotta be better, in fact >>> better than Nall.
And yeah, the guy who trucked Oregon for 174 yards and 9.2 ypc his freshman year and pretty much single-handedly pounded out Oregon's defense his sophomore year wouldn't play RB at Oregon.
But just because I respect your opinion, and love arguing with you, come to Reno in Sept and I'll buy beers. Just don't wear a Freeman jersey
I'll be in Columbus, Reno, Boulder, Tempe, Palo Alto... NOT Seattle as a sunny hoops trip sounds better... Drinking discussions are always welcome with fun intelligent "combatants"... but, will prob be scotch or G&T... Long Island's after Ws... especially since Reno is walking distance from stadium to hotels!
I'm down for whatever's on the menu, looking forward to it. Beavs gonna whoop some Wolfpack ass, I'm pretty sure I'll start drinking the Monday before the game. A lot more Beaver fans in Reno than in Las Vegas, and strangely have seen very little of O. I thought there bandwagon fans infested every city on the West Coast.
That's an awesome road schedule to travel to, I don't know if you can beat that.
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Post by beavadelic on Mar 3, 2018 15:04:08 GMT -8
I'll be in Columbus, Reno, Boulder, Tempe, Palo Alto... NOT Seattle as a sunny hoops trip sounds better... Drinking discussions are always welcome with fun intelligent "combatants"... but, will prob be scotch or G&T... Long Island's after Ws... especially since Reno is walking distance from stadium to hotels!
I'm down for whatever's on the menu, looking forward to it. Beavs gonna whoop some Wolfpack ass, I'm pretty sure I'll start drinking the Monday before the game. A lot more Beaver fans in Reno than in Las Vegas, and strangely have seen very little of O. I thought there bandwagon fans infested every city on the West Coast.
That's an awesome road schedule to travel to, I don't know if you can beat that.
That's for sure on the road schedule next year. I hadn't thought about it until you listed those locales, and to each his own in terms of what you're looking for. For me Palo Alto>> Berkeley, Seattle>>Pullman, Boulder=Salt Lake, Tempe>>>Tucson. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 3, 2018 18:08:07 GMT -8
I'm down for whatever's on the menu, looking forward to it. Beavs gonna whoop some Wolfpack ass, I'm pretty sure I'll start drinking the Monday before the game. A lot more Beaver fans in Reno than in Las Vegas, and strangely have seen very little of O. I thought there bandwagon fans infested every city on the West Coast.
That's an awesome road schedule to travel to, I don't know if you can beat that.
That's for sure on the road schedule next year. I hadn't thought about it until you listed those locales, and to each his own in terms of what you're looking for. For me Palo Alto>> Berkeley, Seattle>>Pullman, Boulder=Salt Lake, Tempe>>>Tucson.
I love Berkeley, I love Jack London Square, pretty much anything bay area for me is better than LA. But I lived in SoCal for 25 years so maybe if you live in Oregon and its late October or November, a trip to LA sounds like relief. I wouldn't doubt OSU fans travel better to Pasadena than they do Palo Alto, besides it's the only time you get to see OSU play in the Rose Bowl. I'm pretty sure I've seen Oregon State more in LA/SD the past 25 years than I have in Oregon, which is horrible. Now that I think about it I've seen them more in Las Vegas and Eugene than I have in Corvallis 
Boulder is awesome, love that place. Without a doubt, it's a phenomenal road schedule for fans that travel a lot with the team. And it starts with Columbus, not a bad way to start your college football season, notwithstanding the royal ass kicking OSU is sure to get.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 5, 2018 8:49:46 GMT -8
He is right in line with other big-boy RBs in the draft... which while not bad, it also doesn't separate him. Certainly not bad... but it is pretty neutral. He didn't help himself, but he didn't hurt himself either. It wasn't that real eyebrow raising time he probably needed to nudge himself to a middle round guy instead of a 6-7 guy. I personally think he can be faster. We love our former BEAVERS... but, Ryan is not one of the "hyped" in a position that is not been drafted highly in recent times. RBs are almost a throw away position these days with tons of talent found in the lower rounds and FA. Ryan is seen with lots of questions and a rd 6/7/FA... more of a FB or HB. Nothing so far has raised that bar over the scouting they've already done thru tape. He got invited, that's good. But, there are guys nit there that'll be drafted. If Nall had a 4.48 instead of a 4.58... Twitter is talking about him right now. I know it is insane in reality. the difference in speed is minuscule. We all know that Ryan is a long strider as well, and has pull away speed. But it is what it is. Nall had a good combine. A nice, solid showing. He did not have a GREAT one that moved his stock up. I don't think he is FA... but he is a late round guy. Depending on his interviews and maybe some team work, anything from 5 later. For the record, I believe he could of been pretty close to those 4.4s. As for lvbeaver comments, I totally agree with you. I think Nall is a pretty dang good RB. we all know CGA wasted him like he wasted basically every position and player here. We know he screwed this team over spectacularly each year, but no years MORE spectacularly then 2017, when he ran off 3M and imploded everything. I agree, that a stable team, with a good QB and some consistency and Nall could of been a 1500 yard back for us. I believe it. |
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 5, 2018 10:12:59 GMT -8
We love our former BEAVERS... but, Ryan is not one of the "hyped" in a position that is not been drafted highly in recent times. RBs are almost a throw away position these days with tons of talent found in the lower rounds and FA. Ryan is seen with lots of questions and a rd 6/7/FA... more of a FB or HB. Nothing so far has raised that bar over the scouting they've already done thru tape. He got invited, that's good. But, there are guys nit there that'll be drafted. If Nall had a 4.48 instead of a 4.58... Twitter is talking about him right now. I know it is insane in reality. the difference in speed is minuscule. We all know that Ryan is a long strider as well, and has pull away speed. But it is what it is. Nall had a good combine. A nice, solid showing. He did not have a GREAT one that moved his stock up. I don't think he is FA... but he is a late round guy. Depending on his interviews and maybe some team work, anything from 5 later. For the record, I believe he could of been pretty close to those 4.4s. As for lvbeaver comments, I totally agree with you. I think Nall is a pretty dang good RB. we all know CGA wasted him like he wasted basically every position and player here. We know he screwed this team over spectacularly each year, but no years MORE spectacularly then 2017, when he ran off 3M and imploded everything. I agree, that a stable team, with a good QB and some consistency and Nall could of been a 1500 yard back for us. I believe it. Not a single thing about Ryan's measurable stats hurt him. But when we are having this "better than" discussion above about Nall vs Freeman and what Nall would have done behind Wisconsin's line.. Ryan's style of play lends itself well to the college level. He is big and glides well behind blockers, and when he gets a lane he is a freight train and he runs with a low pad level that takes him through arm tackles that smaller backs get tripped up with. But he has stiff hips. And at the pro level, that's a skillset that you can't cover up for. Royce has the potential to be a good back because he's much more fluid and almost equally as strong in short yardage as Nall. I don't think he has quite the top gear that Nall does but at the pro level you just don't get that open field. The defenders you face at that level are so technically sound that you need something to get an angle and if you don't, you get stopped in your tracks, no matter what your top gear or bench press or 40 time looks like. Unless you can be placed in a position where you don't need that extra shimmy, like FB or H-Back instead of RB. |
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Post by obf on Mar 5, 2018 10:14:47 GMT -8
I know 40 times get all the buzz, and yeah Nall's could have been faster (maybe his pro day will be better), but for the scouts who actually know and care, 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle are way more important for an RB than just pure 40 yard sprint speed (40 is more important for CB and WR who DO run long sprints as a part of their position, RB will never run a 40 in an actual game except for the rare break away run). Nall did pretty well on these, not top of the class, but top 5 for both:
| 3 Cone | 20-Yard Shuttle | 40 yard | Bench | | Nall (class rank) | 6.95 (6th) | 4.16 (4th) | 4.58 (14th) | 15 (18th) | | Historical average | 6.99 | 4.28 | 4.53 | 20.4 |
If I take my orange colored glasses off for a minute (HARD TO DO!) I have to admit that those numbers, with his game film, and his raw stats from college make him a 5th or 6th round flyer... I am STILL pissed that QA did such a colossal, masterful MAJESTIC f$%^ job on 2017. I know, I know, hindsight, wishcasting and the butterfly effect, but I truly believe that Nall is in the running for Pac-12 POY and rushs for 1250-1500 yards (and heck we probably even win a few more games) if QA had quit before 2017 spring practice and we installed my pet rock as the new HC... Siiiggh, I really probably just need to let it go.... maybe I can get in on some of that sweet liquid therapy with RenoBeaver and baseba1111  |
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 5, 2018 10:20:20 GMT -8
If Nall had a 4.48 instead of a 4.58... Twitter is talking about him right now. I know it is insane in reality. the difference in speed is minuscule. We all know that Ryan is a long strider as well, and has pull away speed. But it is what it is. Nall had a good combine. A nice, solid showing. He did not have a GREAT one that moved his stock up. I don't think he is FA... but he is a late round guy. Depending on his interviews and maybe some team work, anything from 5 later. For the record, I believe he could of been pretty close to those 4.4s. As for lvbeaver comments, I totally agree with you. I think Nall is a pretty dang good RB. we all know CGA wasted him like he wasted basically every position and player here. We know he screwed this team over spectacularly each year, but no years MORE spectacularly then 2017, when he ran off 3M and imploded everything. I agree, that a stable team, with a good QB and some consistency and Nall could of been a 1500 yard back for us. I believe it. But when we are having this "better than" discussion above about Nall vs Freeman and what Nall would have done behind Wisconsin's line.. Ryan's style of play lends itself well to the college level. He is big and glides well behind blockers, and when he gets a lane he is a freight train and he runs with a low pad level that takes him through arm tackles that smaller backs get tripped up with. But he has stiff hips. And at the pro level, that's a skillset that you can't cover up for. Royce has the potential to be a good back because he's much more fluid and almost equally as strong in short yardage as Nall. I don't think he has quite the top gear that Nall does but at the pro level you just don't get that open field. The defenders you face at that level are so technically sound that you need something to get an angle and if you don't, you get stopped in your tracks, no matter what your top gear or bench press or 40 time looks like. Unless you can be placed in a position where you don't need that extra shimmy, like FB or H-Back instead of RB. Nope, I agree. His stats were good and he was not harmed. He was just not HELPED. he is not going to be one of those NFL combine wunderkids. that turns heads and flies up the boards. Basically, he walked into the Combine and showed all the scouts he is exactly what they thought he was. |
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 5, 2018 10:45:33 GMT -8
Not a single thing about Ryan's measurable stats hurt him. But when we are having this "better than" discussion above about Nall vs Freeman and what Nall would have done behind Wisconsin's line.. Ryan's style of play lends itself well to the college level. He is big and glides well behind blockers, and when he gets a lane he is a freight train and he runs with a low pad level that takes him through arm tackles that smaller backs get tripped up with. But he has stiff hips. And at the pro level, that's a skillset that you can't cover up for. Royce has the potential to be a good back because he's much more fluid and almost equally as strong in short yardage as Nall. I don't think he has quite the top gear that Nall does but at the pro level you just don't get that open field. The defenders you face at that level are so technically sound that you need something to get an angle and if you don't, you get stopped in your tracks, no matter what your top gear or bench press or 40 time looks like. Unless you can be placed in a position where you don't need that extra shimmy, like FB or H-Back instead of RB. Nope, I agree. His stats were good and he was not harmed. He was just not HELPED. he is not going to be one of those NFL combine wunderkids. that turns heads and flies up the boards. Basically, he walked into the Combine and showed all the scouts he is exactly what they thought he was. I think that the 20 yard time is a bit of an eye-popper. He may not have wiggles but he does have a freakishly explosive start/stop. Those kind of soft hands with that ability to glide behind blockers and then the jets to get that big body going downhill... picture him getting swing routes and outrunning a LB on a wheel with ease. Wonder if NFL strength training makes him into a Brandon Jacobs type RB. I could see it. |
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Post by obf on Mar 5, 2018 10:45:56 GMT -8
Not a single thing about Ryan's measurable stats hurt him. But when we are having this "better than" discussion above about Nall vs Freeman and what Nall would have done behind Wisconsin's line.. Ryan's style of play lends itself well to the college level. He is big and glides well behind blockers, and when he gets a lane he is a freight train and he runs with a low pad level that takes him through arm tackles that smaller backs get tripped up with. But he has stiff hips. And at the pro level, that's a skillset that you can't cover up for. Royce has the potential to be a good back because he's much more fluid and almost equally as strong in short yardage as Nall. I don't think he has quite the top gear that Nall does but at the pro level you just don't get that open field. The defenders you face at that level are so technically sound that you need something to get an angle and if you don't, you get stopped in your tracks, no matter what your top gear or bench press or 40 time looks like. Unless you can be placed in a position where you don't need that extra shimmy, like FB or H-Back instead of RB. Nope, I agree. His stats were good and he was not harmed. He was just not HELPED. he is not going to be one of those NFL combine wunderkids. that turns heads and flies up the boards. Basically, he walked into the Combine and showed all the scouts he is exactly what they thought he was. Yeah, to really make a move in the draft (ie, get into the top three rounds), Nall would have needed a best performer of the draft type result, Like this guy: Shaquem GriffinNall's disability that he overcame, of course, was being coached by QA |
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Post by kersting13 on Mar 5, 2018 12:07:03 GMT -8
Not a single thing about Ryan's measurable stats hurt him. But when we are having this "better than" discussion above about Nall vs Freeman and what Nall would have done behind Wisconsin's line.. Ryan's style of play lends itself well to the college level. He is big and glides well behind blockers, and when he gets a lane he is a freight train and he runs with a low pad level that takes him through arm tackles that smaller backs get tripped up with. But he has stiff hips. And at the pro level, that's a skillset that you can't cover up for. Royce has the potential to be a good back because he's much more fluid and almost equally as strong in short yardage as Nall. I don't think he has quite the top gear that Nall does but at the pro level you just don't get that open field. The defenders you face at that level are so technically sound that you need something to get an angle and if you don't, you get stopped in your tracks, no matter what your top gear or bench press or 40 time looks like. Unless you can be placed in a position where you don't need that extra shimmy, like FB or H-Back instead of RB. Nope, I agree. His stats were good and he was not harmed. He was just not HELPED. he is not going to be one of those NFL combine wunderkids. that turns heads and flies up the boards. Basically, he walked into the Combine and showed all the scouts he is exactly what they thought he was. I have to say I DISAGREE. Nall did NOT go into the combine and "show the scouts he is exactly what they thought he was". They THOUGHT he was a 230 lb, slow, white kid at RB who needs to be turned into a FB, TE, or H-Back in the NFL. What he showed at the combine is that he's got VERY good speed for a player his size, and the agility to be drafted (likely in the later rounds) as a legitmate NFL RB. He's basically fighting the same kind of battle that Lamar Jackson is fighting: Not fitting the mold of what NFL teams expect a player at that position to look like. |
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