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Post by kersting13 on Feb 5, 2018 8:53:45 GMT -8
i am never going to believe that women's soccer does more damage to brains than football. Just forget about that one. It's silly. Anectdotal of course, but I played organized soccer as a kid, and I remember disliking heading and especially heading practice because it made me feel ill afterwards. Perhaps not a concussion, but certainly I was whacking my brains against my skull doing all of that heading. Once I got into football, I never had the same feelings from tackling practice - granted, I was a DB/WR so I wasn't in the trenches pounding every play against other big uglies, but I wouldn't just dismiss the stats out of hand.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 5, 2018 8:59:45 GMT -8
Youre wrong about OT. College OT is terrible. Sudden death is FAR superior to Kansas plan. Ties are superior to Kansas plan. Honestly, stats from College OT should not count, as the value of TDs are diminished due to the ease with which they are obtained. College OT is like hybrid baseball/football. You probably are going for a trifecta. Ban the Designated Hitter! NFL OT...coin toss winner wins. CFB OT...equal shot I will give you the stats argument in the interest of BiPartinship and reach (around) the aisle TBH, I'm a much bigger fan of NL baseball than AL baseball, but back to the subject - NFL OT: even before the rule change to give both teams a possession barring the first possession resulting in a TD, the coin toss winner was less than 60%. An advantage? Yes, but not even close to "coin toss winner wins". At least it was still football. And CFB OT is NOT an equal shot - it's MUCH more advantageous to get the 2nd possession of an OT "inning".
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Post by NativeBeav on Feb 5, 2018 9:10:45 GMT -8
i am never going to believe that women's soccer does more damage to brains than football. Just forget about that one. It's silly. People often don't believe the truth, even with numerous studies and evidence. It happens all the time... believe what you want, it doesn't change the truth. It is exactly that line of thinking is why abominations like Larry Nassar are allowed to perpetuate their crimes. I have no dog in this fight, but I can give lots of examples of certain groups of people that cherry pick and skew the numbers to arrive at their pre- conceived beliefs on most any topic. Accountants are famous for this. The studies you cite might be right on - they may not. Back to the original point - the NFL has proven as of late they are not very good at getting out if front of certain issues - backing the wrong horse, so to speak. They ignore spearing and helmet to helmet hits to their own peril - no matter if the ball carrier is a receiver or a running back. Much like the Romans did in gladiator' times - or RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris did, for that matter. Hiding behind studies, and pointing out that other sports are worse than football, is classic denial. Let's not address the issue at hand, let's point to someone else that is worse, to make us feel better, right? On a side note, maybe one of the best ways to handle this would be to go back to the old school leather helmets and little or no pads. I guarantee no one will lead with their head at that point. The advances in equipment have contributed to harder hits, since the perception is we are better protected.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2018 10:08:27 GMT -8
People often don't believe the truth, even with numerous studies and evidence. It happens all the time... believe what you want, it doesn't change the truth. It is exactly that line of thinking is why abominations like Larry Nassar are allowed to perpetuate their crimes. I have no dog in this fight, but I can give lots of examples of certain groups of people that cherry pick and skew the numbers to arrive at their pre- conceived beliefs on most any topic. Accountants are famous for this. The studies you cite might be right on - they may not. Back to the original point - the NFL has proven as of late they are not very good and getting out if front of certain issues - backing the wrong horse, so to speak. They ignore spearing and helmet to helmet hits to their own peril - no matter if the ball carrier is a receiver or a running back. Much like the Romans did in gladiator' times - or RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris did, for that matter. Hiding behind studies, and pointing out that other sports are worse than football, is classic denial. Let's not address the issue at hand, let's point to someone else that is worse, to make us feel better, right? On a side note, maybe one of the best ways to handle this would be to go back to the old school leather helmets and little or no pads. I guarantee no one will lead with their head at that point. The advances in equipment have contributed to harder hits, since the perception is we are better protected. Yet the study includes all sports and compares the rates for not only concussions but all injuries. You can pick several that say the same thing. But... the issue isn't the NFL as it involves very few overall participates that have been playing the sport previously. So you study "football" as the NFL stats are highly skewed by thousands of previous practices and games. The NFL is the cash cow. It is gets you in the news. On the front page. A movie made.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 5, 2018 11:05:05 GMT -8
People often don't believe the truth, even with numerous studies and evidence. It happens all the time... believe what you want, it doesn't change the truth. It is exactly that line of thinking is why abominations like Larry Nassar are allowed to perpetuate their crimes. I have no dog in this fight, but I can give lots of examples of certain groups of people that cherry pick and skew the numbers to arrive at their pre- conceived beliefs on most any topic. Accountants are famous for this. The studies you cite might be right on - they may not. Back to the original point - the NFL has proven as of late they are not very good and getting out if front of certain issues - backing the wrong horse, so to speak. They ignore spearing and helmet to helmet hits to their own peril - no matter if the ball carrier is a receiver or a running back. Much like the Romans did in gladiator' times - or RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris did, for that matter. Hiding behind studies, and pointing out that other sports are worse than football, is classic denial. Let's not address the issue at hand, let's point to someone else that is worse, to make us feel better, right? On a side note, maybe one of the best ways to handle this would be to go back to the old school leather helmets and little or no pads. I guarantee no one will lead with their head at that point. The advances in equipment have contributed to harder hits, since the perception is we are better protected. That was always my dad's argument, although he said just get rid of the face masks. He thought the broken noses and busted teeth would be a good trade off for fewer head and neck injuries. I don't know what he thought about leather helmets, but I do remember him saying that he thought he was moving up in the world when in his junior year at Washington HS (Portland, 1948?) he got a hard shell helmet instead of a leather one.
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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 5, 2018 14:03:50 GMT -8
Here is slo mo video of every concussion in the NFL this year. I don't have any solutions, but this video is frightening.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 5, 2018 14:43:59 GMT -8
What's the end game here? Concussions happen when you play football. This isn't new information. Every single person who plays knows this...knows the risks. Nobody is forcing them to put a helmet on and play for millions of dollars. I played one year of football as a kid and I hated getting hit, so I quit. The NFL should offer excellent health care because of this line of work I agree....but then again, if you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, shouldn't you be able to afford health care?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 5, 2018 16:03:46 GMT -8
You probably are going for a trifecta. Ban the Designated Hitter! NFL OT...coin toss winner wins. CFB OT...equal shot I will give you the stats argument in the interest of BiPartinship and reach (around) the aisle TBH, I'm a much bigger fan of NL baseball than AL baseball, but back to the subject - NFL OT: even before the rule change to give both teams a possession barring the first possession resulting in a TD, the coin toss winner was less than 60%. An advantage? Yes, but not even close to "coin toss winner wins". At least it was still football. And CFB OT is NOT an equal shot - it's MUCH more advantageous to get the 2nd possession of an OT "inning". The real answer to the DH rule is exactly what is happening. Some players hit the ball well but cannot field to save their lives. Those players play in the AL. Some pitchers can knock the cover off the ball. Those pitchers should pitch in the NL. The AL way works in the AL and the NL way works in the NL. If you like one more than the other, watch that league. Great! NFL overtime is far superior to NCAA overtime. NCAA overtime is hokey. It needs to be fixed.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 5, 2018 16:15:46 GMT -8
NFL overtime is far superior to NCAA overtime. NCAA overtime is hokey. It needs to be fixed. An OT in which it's possible for one team to not even get the ball if the other team scores a TD? I bet you'd love baseball if the game ended in the top of the 10th with a homer, too.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 5, 2018 16:28:59 GMT -8
baseba11, I like Fox News as much as the next guy, but the author of your article, John Lott is citing two studies: one from 11 years ago and another from 12 years ago. As of 2013, according to the University of North Carolina, concussion rates are 34.5 per 10,000 athletic exposure, more than five times the number that Mr. Lott is reporting. Mr. Lott is an economist and Second Amendment activist. To say that he is out of his depth and talking out of his arse is an understatement. No, football is wildly more dangerous than the other sports, when it comes to concussions.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 5, 2018 16:35:14 GMT -8
NFL overtime is far superior to NCAA overtime. NCAA overtime is hokey. It needs to be fixed. An OT in which it's possible for one team to not even get the ball if the other team scores a TD? I bet you'd love baseball if the game ended in the top of the 10th with a homer, too. A baseball analogy to attempt to sway us that NCAA overtime is not baseball on a football field? Curious. To answer your final statement, though. No, not really. The best system would be to just leave the thing tied. (I was a huge fan of the USC and Washington tie in 1995. Genius on the part of John Robinson/Mike Riley.) Ties lead to a lot more strategy and complex thinking and a more generally entertaining 60 minutes. But people with limited attention spans seem to profoundly dislike that avenue for some reason.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 5, 2018 16:48:48 GMT -8
Are ya kidding me?? Brandon Cooks got laid the eff out by a clear helmet to helmet hit, and the defender was LEADING with his helmet! Although terrible that Cooks is out and I hope he's ok... It's football, people get hurt... In my opinion, the targeting penalty is ruining college football... Even if it was a penalty in the nfl, it would not have made a difference on that play, in this game... Malcolm Jenkins is a scumbag for other reasons, but Jenkins led with the crown of his helmet straight into the side of Cooks' helmet. That is spearing. It is illegal, even in the NFL. They just did not call it. Concussions are ruining the game. Spearing and targeting is a huge reason for the number of concussions. The NFL should implement a rule that a hit to a players head with the crown of your helmet is a penalty that results in automatic ejection. Any team who loses a player to targeting should receive the option to activate one of the inactive players. The NFL was marred by far too many instances of this throughout the year. As for making a difference, in college teams generally carry at least six active receivers. The Patriots only had four on the 46-man active squad. After Cooks was speared, they were down to three receivers. If my rule had been implemented, Kenny Britt could be activated, which would have given the Patriots a lot more options in the passing game. The helmet-to-helmet hit limited the Patriots' passing options, especially the Patriots' vertical passing options. Additionally, it made the other Patriot receivers have to play more, which caused them to be more fatigued at game's end.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 5, 2018 17:23:17 GMT -8
baseba11, I like Fox News as much as the next guy, but the author of your article, John Lott is citing two studies: one from 11 years ago and another from 12 years ago. As of 2013, according to the University of North Carolina, concussion rates are 34.5 per 10,000 athletic exposure, more than five times the number that Mr. Lott is reporting. Mr. Lott is an economist and Second Amendment activist. To say that he is out of his depth and talking out of his arse is an understatement. No, football is wildly more dangerous than the other sports, when it comes to concussions. There are multitudes of studies... but you're wrong. Football doesn't cause more overall injuries, nor more serious injuries than other sports. Head in the sand approach at best. There are many sports deemed dangerous, and making the NFL the bell cow as such is just that. Head in the sand. It's been shown repeatedly since those studies that soccer, wrestling, and hockey cause the most severe head injuries. www.google.com/amp/usatodayhss.com/2017/new-study-shows-that-girls-soccer-has-higher-per-capita-rate-of-concussions-than-any-other-sport/ampIt's lunacy to equate the NFL with a major factor in CTE and concussions when there is a cumulative effect and NFL players have had 1000s of collisions before ever reaching that level. They are the cash cow plain and simple.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 5, 2018 21:25:15 GMT -8
Although terrible that Cooks is out and I hope he's ok... It's football, people get hurt... In my opinion, the targeting penalty is ruining college football... Even if it was a penalty in the nfl, it would not have made a difference on that play, in this game... Malcolm Jenkins is a scumbag for other reasons, but Jenkins led with the crown of his helmet straight into the side of Cooks' helmet. That is spearing. It is illegal, even in the NFL. They just did not call it. Concussions are ruining the game. Spearing and targeting is a huge reason for the number of concussions. The NFL should implement a rule that a hit to a players head with the crown of your helmet is a penalty that results in automatic ejection. Any team who loses a player to targeting should receive the option to activate one of the inactive players. The NFL was marred by far too many instances of this throughout the year. As for making a difference, in college teams generally carry at least six active receivers. The Patriots only had four on the 46-man active squad. After Cooks was speared, they were down to three receivers. If my rule had been implemented, Kenny Britt could be activated, which would have given the Patriots a lot more options in the passing game. The helmet-to-helmet hit limited the Patriots' passing options, especially the Patriots' vertical passing options. Additionally, it made the other Patriot receivers have to play more, which caused them to be more fatigued at game's end. Your definition of the "crown of the helmet" seems to be different from mine. Jenkins appeared to hit Cooks with the side of his helmet. The crown is the top of the helmet. If you want to see spearing, you only need to look back at NFL playoffs 2015: This is not the crown of the helmet Cooks at 30 secondsTHIS is the crown of the helmet. Bernard
One of these is a guy intentionally launching the crown of his helmet into a player with the intent to injure. The other is a runner who spun back into the path of a defender who hit him with the side of his helmet. Not sure why my video imbeds didn't work - here's the link. SaveSave
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 5, 2018 21:54:43 GMT -8
We're not talking about a knee, an ankle, a shoulder or ribs, for phuks sake. The brain can't be mended with a cast, splint, or physical therapy. Damage to it changes one's entire being. I LOVE football. Love it. Always have, but my/our NEED for entertainment/leisure gratification should never trump another human being's long term quality of life. The NFL, NCAA, and every organization in America that sanctions football need to SERIOUSLY ACT on this thing. Money should be NO object (although, I KNOW that is being naive). Until someone, somewhere comes up with a protective shell that miraculously insures NO brain trauma while absorbing the collision, the need for stiffer, more uniform and ENFORCED penalties are necessary. We need to make damn sure the helmet is NEVER used as a weapon, and only necessary for PROTECTION. I grew up LOVING the "big hit!" "Jacking somebody up" was something we all talked about in the locker room. I grew up. I changed my mind. Thank God I still have one. I was a running back and linebacker from the time I was 10 playing Pop Warner FB in San Diego, until I was 18 playing for the CCC Cougars. Hell...for years after that, a group of us got together in the Lebanon area, and played tackle football SANS helmets. I'm DAMN sure I never jacked anyone up with my head at Century Park, Seven Oak Middle school, or any other muddy turf we played on. Some had broken jaws, ACLs, other sprains and strains, but NO head trauma (maybe the broken jaw...but that was a freak accident. Two guys went up for a pass...one of them came down a bit later with his chin on the other's shoulder. Ouch. Brutal looking). I wonder if head/brain trauma would be such a factor if leather was sitting atop heads and not a polycarbonate shell? Someone argue with me, dammit. The older I get....... PS...See the little angel in my "avitar?" He's my youngest grandson. A blessed joy. I have five grandbabies. Four boys. It is my prayer they never play the game UNTIL the time comes that their precious brains can be protected.
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