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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 9, 2018 11:30:54 GMT -8
It was a bush league "hit," (the helmet contact) regardless of it's legality within NFL rules. I agree with this. Jenkins is not trying to tackle Cooks. He leads with his head down and does not try and use his arms. Jenkins is trash. Whether illegal or not (and I will continue to argue that it was illegal), it should be illegal.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 9, 2018 13:24:08 GMT -8
Not even close to the crown from that graphic. That is from the official NFL definition of the crown since at least 2015. I'm not disputing that yellow area is the crown. I'm saying Jenkins crown, by that graphic, was no where near contacting Cooks.
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 9, 2018 13:26:59 GMT -8
It was a bush league "hit," (the helmet contact) regardless of it's legality within NFL rules. I agree with this. Jenkins is not trying to tackle Cooks. He leads with his head down and does not try and use his arms. Jenkins is trash. Whether illegal or not (and I will continue to argue that it was illegal), it should be illegal. I think you guys are letting your love for Brandin cloud your opinion. Jenkins was chasing Cooks from behind, and Cooks himself turned into the hit. This was not a case of head-hunting.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 9, 2018 14:14:18 GMT -8
I think you guys are letting your love for Brandin cloud your opinion. Jenkins was chasing Cooks from behind, and Cooks himself turned into the hit. This was not a case of head-hunting. It wasn't coincidental contact. lol He was aiming for Cooks head with his own helmet. The speed and cut of Cooks, towards him, only exacerbated the force even more. So you're saying Jenkins knew... - Cooks was going to spin and reverse field... - where Cooks head/helmet would be located after said spin Until Cooks reversed field Jenkins was "chasing". If Cooks doesn't spin back to the outside he's running him down from the side. There was absolutely no time for Jenkins to adjust/do anything but hit Cooks where he did. It was completely situational.
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 9, 2018 14:24:46 GMT -8
Alright everybody... gather around. I have something to say. Some of you might need to sit down for this one:
Sometimes in the game of football, two helmets make contact unintentionally. It is unfortunate, but true.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 9, 2018 15:52:30 GMT -8
Alright everybody... gather around. I have something to say. Some of you might need to sit down for this one: Sometimes in the game of football, two helmets make contact unintentionally. It is unfortunate, but true. There was nothing unintentional about that. Nothing. So says? Lol Did you ever play the game? I'm mean above average HS level? Coach... again at a highly competitive level? Watch the tape... in regular speed... human reaction time doesn't allow any adjustments in that situation. Funny... those in the know aren't complaining. Just casual fan who's biases supersede common sense. Hint... football is not only a violent game, but completely unpredictable. The NFL is not the greatest caretaker of its gladiators, but does realize that those type of hits happen and can not be "legislated". The college game tries and does a miserable job at it. Why? Because the hits often times can't be avoided and reactive penalties can't stop that. While those that are penalized are often not what they seem. Bottom line... a violent sport... and cheap shots will happen, but for the 1000s upon 1000s of collisions 99.9% are not... the Cooks hit falls into that 99.9%. Get over it... the player involved will... and by the way, is less demonstrative about it that you!
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 9, 2018 16:09:21 GMT -8
Alright everybody... gather around. I have something to say. Some of you might need to sit down for this one: Sometimes in the game of football, two helmets make contact unintentionally. It is unfortunate, but true. There was nothing unintentional about that. Nothing. Dude... dude... yeah. even on the very last slo mo you can see Jenkins tuck his head down and away. Jenkins was closing from behind, Cooks cut back towards him, Jenkins put his shoulder into a guy that is now suddenly in his lap. If Jenkins was going for his head, he had every opportunity to basically decapitate Cooks. he did not, it became a glancing blow across the chin. That simple.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 9, 2018 16:33:40 GMT -8
It looks to me like he definitely wanted to put a big hit on Cooks.....Don’t blame him. He wasn’t trying to go helmet to helmet, in my opinion. These guys are running at tremendous speeds. If Brandin doesn’t turn back into him...... a different conversation. Very much like Al Afalava and Jake Locker’s collision. No way Al was trying to take his head off. Locker went low.....BOOM
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Post by seastape on Feb 10, 2018 10:50:18 GMT -8
It looks to me like he definitely wanted to put a big hit on Cooks.....Don’t blame him. He wasn’t trying to go helmet to helmet, in my opinion. These guys are running at tremendous speeds. If Brandin doesn’t turn back into him...... a different conversation. Very much like Al Afalava and Jake Locker’s collision. No way Al was trying to take his head off. Locker went low.....BOOM Jordan Poyer got called for a helmet-to-helmet targeting call (not sure if it was called targeting at that time) against Stanford's Christian Owusu. It was a play in which Owusu made the catch and Poyer arrived to make the tackle just after. The ball popped out after Poyer's hit and Poyer recovered the fumble. The video clearly showed that the Stanford receiver saw/heard/"felt" Poyer coming and unfortunately lowered his head into what became the helmet-to-helmet contact. Poyer looked like he was proceeding to make a good tackle with a hard hit: lowering his shoulders to hit the runner in the waist and rive through him. Poyer later called it a "bang bang play" that happened too quickly for anyone to do anything differently and I agree with him. My point is that it was yet another play that was called a foul in college football but in which the receiver was more at fault for the type of contact than the tackler. These things happen in football with men who run 4.5 40s and should not be called illegal. I think Jenkins' hit on Cooks was similar in nature. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jordan+poyer+hit+on+christian+owusu&view=detail&mid=3197097B64E6B92880623197097B64E6B9288062&FORM=VIREBy the way, Poyer is one of my favorite Beavs of all time.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 10, 2018 12:24:28 GMT -8
It looks to me like he definitely wanted to put a big hit on Cooks.....Don’t blame him. He wasn’t trying to go helmet to helmet, in my opinion. These guys are running at tremendous speeds. If Brandin doesn’t turn back into him...... a different conversation. Very much like Al Afalava and Jake Locker’s collision. No way Al was trying to take his head off. Locker went low.....BOOM Jordan Poyer got called for a helmet-to-helmet targeting call (not sure if it was called targeting at that time) against Stanford's Christian Owusu. It was a play in which Owusu made the catch and Poyer arrived to make the tackle just after. The ball popped out after Poyer's hit and Poyer recovered the fumble. The video clearly showed that the Stanford receiver saw/heard/"felt" Poyer coming and unfortunately lowered his head into what became the helmet-to-helmet contact. Poyer looked like he was proceeding to make a good tackle with a hard hit: lowering his shoulders to hit the runner in the waist and rive through him. Poyer later called it a "bang bang play" that happened too quickly for anyone to do anything differently and I agree with him. My point is that it was yet another play that was called a foul in college football but in which the receiver was more at fault for the type of contact than the tackler. These things happen in football with men who run 4.5 40s and should not be called illegal. I think Jenkins' hit on Cooks was similar in nature. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jordan+poyer+hit+on+christian+owusu&view=detail&mid=3197097B64E6B92880623197097B64E6B9288062&FORM=VIREBy the way, Poyer is one of my favorite Beavs of all time. [That was Genius Coach Shaw’s fault all the way. Playing a guy who hadn’t recovered from a concussion suffered previously, against USC maybe. No need to even play him. They could have lined up with double tights and mowed us down all day. Full circle on the thread: A single concussion is not life altering. A second concussion suffered before the first one is healed is what can cause permanent damage. This is known and SIS, Secondary Impact Syndrome. All the discussions about which sport is the most dangerous are actually irrelevant. They all are if a concussion is not handled properly. My advice to parents is to make sure your kids league and coach have and follow a good concussion recognition and treatment policy. This has been a public service announcement
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 12, 2018 12:37:01 GMT -8
Jordan Poyer got called for a helmet-to-helmet targeting call (not sure if it was called targeting at that time) against Stanford's Christian Owusu. It was a play in which Owusu made the catch and Poyer arrived to make the tackle just after. The ball popped out after Poyer's hit and Poyer recovered the fumble. The video clearly showed that the Stanford receiver saw/heard/"felt" Poyer coming and unfortunately lowered his head into what became the helmet-to-helmet contact. Poyer looked like he was proceeding to make a good tackle with a hard hit: lowering his shoulders to hit the runner in the waist and rive through him. Poyer later called it a "bang bang play" that happened too quickly for anyone to do anything differently and I agree with him. My point is that it was yet another play that was called a foul in college football but in which the receiver was more at fault for the type of contact than the tackler. These things happen in football with men who run 4.5 40s and should not be called illegal. I think Jenkins' hit on Cooks was similar in nature. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jordan+poyer+hit+on+christian+owusu&view=detail&mid=3197097B64E6B92880623197097B64E6B9288062&FORM=VIREBy the way, Poyer is one of my favorite Beavs of all time. [That was Genius Coach Shaw’s fault all the way. Playing a guy who hadn’t recovered from a concussion suffered previously, against USC maybe. No need to even play him. They could have lined up with double tights and mowed us down all day. Full circle on the thread: A single concussion is not life altering. A second concussion suffered before the first one is healed is what can cause permanent damage. This is known and SIS, Secondary Impact Syndrome. All the discussions about which sport is the most dangerous are actually irrelevant. They all are if a concussion is not handled properly. My advice to parents is to make sure your kids league and coach have and follow a good concussion recognition and treatment policy. This has been a public service announcement Wasn't Hardballs still coaching Stanford when Owusu got KO'd? I distinctly remember sitting on the Stanford side for that game and watching CJH in his khakis jump up and down in apoplectic fashion
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 12, 2018 12:44:13 GMT -8
There was nothing unintentional about that. Nothing. Dude... dude... yeah. even on the very last slo mo you can see Jenkins tuck his head down and away. Jenkins was closing from behind, Cooks cut back towards him, Jenkins put his shoulder into a guy that is now suddenly in his lap. If Jenkins was going for his head, he had every opportunity to basically decapitate Cooks. he did not, it became a glancing blow across the chin. That simple. How about this then, Jenkins ignored all general tackling technique and went with the wildly more dangerous throw my side into the runner's sternum technique made popular by the SEC that came with the inescapable physical impossibility of Cooks' helmet being a foot higher. If Jenkins is not trying to hurt Cooks, he is going about it all wrong, i.e. he is recklessly disregarding the fact that his helmet will basically land a roundhouse punch to Cooks' left jaw. Jenkins could have made a legitimate tackle on Cooks but took his right arm completely out of the play. At best, he is trying to crack a rib. At worst, he is head-hunting. In any light, that is a cowardly hit by human trash, who then proceeds to celebrate knocking Cooks out cold. Bush league, man! I believe there is enough there that the hit was illegal, even using the NFL's very permissive rules. If it is not an illegal hit, it should have been an illegal hit. Jenkins should have been ejected. Hits like that without repercussion are why NFL ratings are in the toilet.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 12, 2018 12:48:05 GMT -8
[That was Genius Coach Shaw’s fault all the way. Playing a guy who hadn’t recovered from a concussion suffered previously, against USC maybe. No need to even play him. They could have lined up with double tights and mowed us down all day. Full circle on the thread: A single concussion is not life altering. A second concussion suffered before the first one is healed is what can cause permanent damage. This is known and SIS, Secondary Impact Syndrome. All the discussions about which sport is the most dangerous are actually irrelevant. They all are if a concussion is not handled properly. My advice to parents is to make sure your kids league and coach have and follow a good concussion recognition and treatment policy. This has been a public service announcement Wasn't Hardballs still coaching Stanford when Owusu got KO'd? I distinctly remember sitting on the Stanford side for that game and watching CJH in his khakis jump up and down in apoplectic fashion No. Owusu got KO'd in 2011, Shaw's first year. Tough break for Owusu, too. That hit basically cost him being drafted.
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