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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 9, 2018 13:58:22 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. I know, I know CJS is the head coach. I would not make any conclusions on evaluations quite yet. Jonathan is probably keeping the comments low key to see how the competition plays out I think your wrong. The prototypical Riley QB is accurate and able to read defenses.
A bit arm is nice, but more like frosting on the cake. I don't know what Coach Smith looks for, but I'm guess the same. I think you are really bagging on a guy who (along with the receivers) received poor coaching and played in a system that wasn't geared towards his strengths yet still have a better completion percentage than Smith, Anderson or Moore ever did at OSU (and much better than Canfield's first year of extensive play) in his limited play at OSU. I don't think he's really had the opportunity to show whether he's got accuracy or not. I'm waiting for fall scrimmage before coming up with any kind of judgement about the QB talent we have here unless someone just really stands out this spring. I'm thinking the biggest difference between this coaching staff and the last might be that Smith is taking his time on this decision, and the last HC made up his mind about who the starting QB was going to be in two of his three seasons before they even hit campus.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Apr 9, 2018 14:09:13 GMT -8
You may be right. At the same time this was a great chance to get a player with a lot of upside and 3 years of eligibility. So it's a win win either way.
Who knows with Jake, he stepped in to a mess and got hurt - maybe the fates will go his way in the end with a coaching staff that knows how to coach a passing game.
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Post by jim94 on Apr 9, 2018 18:37:14 GMT -8
R. Gunderson...
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 9, 2018 20:00:24 GMT -8
It might be too early for CJSmith to name his starter, but it's definitely not too early for us to start arguing about who that should (or shouldn't) be.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 9, 2018 20:27:02 GMT -8
In a twisted, weird kind of way, even though I’m a Luton guy, I hope Mason Moran makes a run and competes for the role. A great way to stick another dagger in the QCGA “legacy”.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 9, 2018 21:53:15 GMT -8
Riley's first consideration was arm strength. He wanted that deep out to get there in a hurry. A big piece of the recruiting trick was to see a 16-year-old in his junior year of high school and project as a 20-year-old. I believe he said he completely whiffed on Kapernick.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 9, 2018 21:56:41 GMT -8
From what I've heard of the offensive staff so far, I have full confidence that they will find the guy on the current roster that will give us the best chance on Saturdays. He may not be their "guy" but they will taylor the offense they want to run to his skill set. And that, my Beaver brothers and sisters, is a most wecome change!!
I saw a video interview of coach Riley today. He seems truly excited to be a part of this program. I hope it is contagious!!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 3:08:33 GMT -8
From what I've heard of the offensive staff so far, I have full confidence that they will find the guy on the current roster that will give us the best chance on Saturdays. He may not be their "guy" but they will taylor the offense they want to run to his skill set. And that, my Beaver brothers and sisters, is a most wecome change!! I saw a video interview of coach Riley today. He seems truly excited to be a part of this program. I hope it is contagious!! Go Beavs!! The aforementioned Riley interview perhaps.
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Post by nexus73 on Apr 10, 2018 7:24:59 GMT -8
Luton struck me as an MR kind of player. Whether that translates into him being the starter is unknown at this time. JS will have lots of thoughts to process as he sorts through the debris to find the diamonds in the rough that can be polished out to become real gems. Between JS and MR, we will likely get the best of what we have at QB.
Then we'll see how long they last behind the OL...
2018 is a season to stop the bleeding. Do that and I'll count it as a win. E for Effort will mean everything. Compete every game. Compete every play. Once that attitude is instilled, we can then add in/develop the athletic talent that gives us a good chance to win against almost every opponent we would face.
What I look forward to is us getting back to pulling off stunning upsets!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2018 8:30:37 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 10, 2018 10:06:14 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked. Riley is the tight end position coach yes... But he is also the assistant head coach as well. by title. I think you can be assured he is CJS's main adviser. He may not be actively coaching QBs everyday, but he is offering thoughts, opinions and insight to Smith and Lindgren on them. And he should be. No way you bury a guy with the breadth of knowledge that Riley has with TEs. That is just not effectively using your resources.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 10, 2018 11:11:12 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked. Riley is the tight end position coach yes... But he is also the assistant head coach as well. by title. I think you can be assured he is CJS's main adviser. He may not be actively coaching QBs everyday, but he is offering thoughts, opinions and insight to Smith and Lindgren on them. And he should be. No way you bury a guy with the breadth of knowledge that Riley has with TEs. That is just not effectively using your resources. As MR said, "I coach the TE's, beyond that, if anyone wants to talk football, I'm available and have probably seen it before." Great resource and on big red's dime!!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2018 14:58:49 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked. Riley is the tight end position coach yes... But he is also the assistant head coach as well. by title. I think you can be assured he is CJS's main adviser. He may not be actively coaching QBs everyday, but he is offering thoughts, opinions and insight to Smith and Lindgren on them. And he should be. No way you bury a guy with the breadth of knowledge that Riley has with TEs. That is just not effectively using your resources. Of course you use him, and Smith and Lindgren will. Just noting that MR is taking definite pains to make sure people know it's JS's program and Lindgren's offense, and that he's very happy being a complementary piece.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 10, 2018 15:36:47 GMT -8
Riley is the tight end position coach yes... But he is also the assistant head coach as well. by title. I think you can be assured he is CJS's main adviser. He may not be actively coaching QBs everyday, but he is offering thoughts, opinions and insight to Smith and Lindgren on them. And he should be. No way you bury a guy with the breadth of knowledge that Riley has with TEs. That is just not effectively using your resources. Of course you use him, and Smith and Lindgren will. Just noting that MR is taking definite pains to make sure people know it's JS's program and Lindgren's offense, and that he's very happy being a complementary piece. Also, if he is coaching tight ends, someone has to be throwing to them, and he wants to make sure they have as many good opportunities as they can
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 10, 2018 17:44:12 GMT -8
And yet in many ways, he is not. From what I could see last year, he's not a field general like DA or a student of the game like Mannion. In fact, when I compare him to the OSU QB's that were successful during the Riley years, he's a long ways from all of them. I get what you are saying here, but I think our view of Luton is limited in that we only saw him for a few games last year under coaches that we can charitably say sucked. I don't think we had a true opportunity to see what Luton can bring to the table. People compared Luton to a poor man's Mannion; to me, he is more of a (very) poor man's DA with an arm that can sling it all over campus but will definitely make some mental errors that will lead to turnovers. I am taking the comments by CSmith at face value: every position is wide open for whoever steps up and grabs it and that includes QB. And why wouldn't it be that way for a new staff that has inherited a 1-11 team? Maybe Eggers is right and it will come down to Colletto and Luton or maybe one of the other guys will step up. I have no idea; I haven't seen anyone on the roster play except for Luton, so I couldn't judge. I agree.... I don’t place a whole lot of stock in last year.... mainly because of coaching staff. Wouldn’t judge Jake on that, myself. And he got hurt early. Actually, he did make some plays when healthy. Even on last years team. Im not saying Luton should start. Now. That’s earned. Maybe it is Colletto. Or someone else. I haven’t seen Colletto. Hopefully OL will be better.... or we’re gonna see more than 1 or 2 of these QB’s
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