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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 10, 2018 18:57:20 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked. Agree...AND...I'd bet my house he'll be asked...
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Post by seastape on Apr 10, 2018 19:26:01 GMT -8
Riley coaches the tight ends; he makes it pretty clear that's his responsibility, not helping with the QBs. He goes out of his way to make that point. Lindgren is the key to QB development. Riley's a nice resource, but I bet he won't be sitting in on the QB meetings unless he's asked. Agree...AND...I'd bet my house he'll be asked... He will definitely be asked. It's not difficult to imagine all of the offensive staff in a meeting along with CSmith and the topic comes up...well, men, who's the starting QB? All of the offensive coaches will be asked. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to see the defensive coaches asked, (<--does a comma belong here?) as well. Same with a lot of the players.
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 10, 2018 21:09:33 GMT -8
The comma was unnecessary, but you didn't lose any style points.
Have we been told the difference between the Associate Head Coach (Michalczik) and Assistant Head Coach (Riley)? Which one is higher up on the food chain?
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 7:18:21 GMT -8
The comma was unnecessary, but you didn't lose any style points. Have we been told the difference between the Associate Head Coach (Michalczik) and Assistant Head Coach (Riley)? Which one is higher up on the food chain? In academia, and in most professional settings Associate is ranked hire than Assistant. as in, an Associate Professor is a higher ranked Professor than Assistant Professor. That doesn't necessarily mean anything here, but it could infer Michalczik is first up if CJS has to be away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 7:28:35 GMT -8
Personally I think it's a waste if Riley isn't coaching quarterbacks.
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Post by biggieorange on Apr 11, 2018 8:54:00 GMT -8
I think your wrong. The prototypical Riley QB is accurate and able to read defenses.
A bit arm is nice, but more like frosting on the cake. I don't know what Coach Smith looks for, but I'm guess the same. Eh, I will push back. To be sure, despite Niner's smaller stature, he had a pretty solid arm. Not always the most pretty ball, but he got it out there and downfield several times. as Riley's passing offense evolved, the arm strength mattered more and more. He has a fairly set standard there. The out route. His targets had to be able to consistently deliver an 10 or 15 yard out without getting that route jumped. Probably one of the every day hardest routes to throw and one that requires a pretty stout arm. It is a fastball pass. Riley needed a QB that could throw ALL pro offense bread and butter routes. outs and digs, posts and corners. Riley loved the sideline pass. Well, he loved lots of routes, and route combinations... but it isn't a mystery about why some of our better SEs out there were also really good on the sideline. A guy that can work the out route, and a QB that can deliver it, with move the chains. Not trying to downplay accuracy and of course, mental ability to read defenses like you need to... but he did have a pretty high arm strength standard. Think back to all the Riley QBs we have had here... none of them were noodle arms. Umm, what about a Mr. Lyle Moevao? But you are right, arm strength matters I didn't intend to totally dismiss it. But evaluating QB ability: reading defense, accuracy, timing, leadership are just MORE important in the QBs you have on your team. To use a basketball analogy, "you can't teach height", same with arm strength which is why you don't offer guys that don't have the physical ability toever play in the Pac12. So I think of all the recruits I EVER saw in Riley's career they had at least a sort of baseline arm. And remember we are not talking about recruiting, we are discussing picking a starter so you already have narrowed the field to the guys in camp.
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Post by biggieorange on Apr 11, 2018 9:00:06 GMT -8
I think your wrong. The prototypical Riley QB is accurate and able to read defenses.
A bit arm is nice, but more like frosting on the cake. I don't know what Coach Smith looks for, but I'm guess the same. I think you are really bagging on a guy who (along with the receivers) received poor coaching and played in a system that wasn't geared towards his strengths yet still have a better completion percentage than Smith, Anderson or Moore ever did at OSU (and much better than Canfield's first year of extensive play) in his limited play at OSU. I don't think he's really had the opportunity to show whether he's got accuracy or not. I'm waiting for fall scrimmage before coming up with any kind of judgement about the QB talent we have here unless someone just really stands out this spring. I'm thinking the biggest difference between this coaching staff and the last might be that Smith is taking his time on this decision, and the last HC made up his mind about who the starting QB was going to be in two of his three seasons before they even hit campus. And I think you are maybe living up to your profile name. Exactly where did I bag on Luton? People read stuff that isn't there because they just want to anoint the ALL AIRPORT team. Ill add that if Riley thought this way, the "team manager" QB would not have ever started. I am just suggesting that arm strength and height isn't enough to separate him from the pack. This mistake (naming a QB early) JUST FING happened last season with PREDICTABLY bad results and everyone is ready to jump back to it with a guy coming off a pretty serious injury and very short season. I'd be glad if Luton blows the doors off the competition, but why crown him yet?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 11, 2018 9:20:14 GMT -8
I think you are really bagging on a guy who (along with the receivers) received poor coaching and played in a system that wasn't geared towards his strengths yet still have a better completion percentage than Smith, Anderson or Moore ever did at OSU (and much better than Canfield's first year of extensive play) in his limited play at OSU. I don't think he's really had the opportunity to show whether he's got accuracy or not. I'm waiting for fall scrimmage before coming up with any kind of judgement about the QB talent we have here unless someone just really stands out this spring. I'm thinking the biggest difference between this coaching staff and the last might be that Smith is taking his time on this decision, and the last HC made up his mind about who the starting QB was going to be in two of his three seasons before they even hit campus. And I think you are maybe living up to your profile name. Exactly where did I bag on Luton? People read stuff that isn't there because they just want to anoint the ALL AIRPORT team. Ill add that if Riley thought this way, the "team manager" QB would not have ever started. I am just suggesting that arm strength and height isn't enough to separate him from the pack. This mistake (naming a QB early) JUST FING happened last season with PREDICTABLY bad results and everyone is ready to jump back to it with a guy coming off a pretty serious injury and very short season. I'd be glad if Luton blows the doors off the competition, but why crown him yet? I read your post as though you were saying Luton is inaccurate and can’t read defenses. I still read it that way. I’m saying the guy only played 4 or 5 games under a staff that may not have been using him in the best manner, and we really don’t have much to judge him on. I figure Luton is in the top two or three choices to start this season. I don’t think either Smith or Lindgren are married to height, not sure about arm strength. They are the ones who are the primary decision makers in this.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 9:20:46 GMT -8
I think you are really bagging on a guy who (along with the receivers) received poor coaching and played in a system that wasn't geared towards his strengths yet still have a better completion percentage than Smith, Anderson or Moore ever did at OSU (and much better than Canfield's first year of extensive play) in his limited play at OSU. I don't think he's really had the opportunity to show whether he's got accuracy or not. I'm waiting for fall scrimmage before coming up with any kind of judgement about the QB talent we have here unless someone just really stands out this spring. I'm thinking the biggest difference between this coaching staff and the last might be that Smith is taking his time on this decision, and the last HC made up his mind about who the starting QB was going to be in two of his three seasons before they even hit campus. And I think you are maybe living up to your profile name. Exactly where did I bag on Luton? People read stuff that isn't there because they just want to anoint the ALL AIRPORT team. Ill add that if Riley thought this way, the "team manager" QB would not have ever started. I am just suggesting that arm strength and height isn't enough to separate him from the pack. This mistake (naming a QB early) JUST FING happened last season with PREDICTABLY bad results and everyone is ready to jump back to it with a guy coming off a pretty serious injury and very short season. I'd be glad if Luton blows the doors off the competition, but why crown him yet? Everyone???
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 9:29:37 GMT -8
Eh, I will push back. To be sure, despite Niner's smaller stature, he had a pretty solid arm. Not always the most pretty ball, but he got it out there and downfield several times. as Riley's passing offense evolved, the arm strength mattered more and more. He has a fairly set standard there. The out route. His targets had to be able to consistently deliver an 10 or 15 yard out without getting that route jumped. Probably one of the every day hardest routes to throw and one that requires a pretty stout arm. It is a fastball pass. Riley needed a QB that could throw ALL pro offense bread and butter routes. outs and digs, posts and corners. Riley loved the sideline pass. Well, he loved lots of routes, and route combinations... but it isn't a mystery about why some of our better SEs out there were also really good on the sideline. A guy that can work the out route, and a QB that can deliver it, with move the chains. Not trying to downplay accuracy and of course, mental ability to read defenses like you need to... but he did have a pretty high arm strength standard. Think back to all the Riley QBs we have had here... none of them were noodle arms. Umm, what about a Mr. Lyle Moevao? But you are right, arm strength matters I didn't intend to totally dismiss it. But evaluating QB ability: reading defense, accuracy, timing, leadership are just MORE important in the QBs you have on your team. To use a basketball analogy, "you can't teach height", same with arm strength which is why you don't offer guys that don't have the physical ability toever play in the Pac12. So I think of all the recruits I EVER saw in Riley's career they had at least a sort of baseline arm. And remember we are not talking about recruiting, we are discussing picking a starter so you already have narrowed the field to the guys in camp. Moevao and Ryan Katz were great examples actually. They both had zero touch. They did not have nuanced passing ability and the the full suite of passing. But they both had the flat laser beam fast balls. and deep out balls. LM and Anthony Brown and a pretty solid connection on the deep crossing route to the opposite side of the field. The ONLY pass Katz could make is the 95 MPH fast ball. and I think you have it right. "Can't teach arm strength" for right or for wrong, Riley held you could teach a guy to dial it down, have touch... but you can't really fundamentally teach them to throw it harder and faster once they have peaked there. Anybody remember Alex Brink? Sorry, I should say Washington State LEGEND Alex Brink? Oregon product, Sheldon high school superstar. 3.90 GPA and a pretty good pitcher to boot. Riley didn't even offer him. (maybe we did, but it was a tepid offer at best) Of course, it could be because this was in the Erickson/Riley II transition year, so the claim could be made Erickson didn't like him either... but I think more honestly is that Brink had a noodle arm. Brink is clearly a kid that check every other box. smarts, brain, attitude, general size... he just actually didn't really, truly, have a great arm. and yes, he ended up be a prolific passer. but his bread and butter was the back shoulder fade, really because that is all he COULD throw. WSU made it work. But the local kid didn't have the one real important thing. an arm that could hit a deep out.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Apr 11, 2018 10:28:28 GMT -8
I didn't like the idea of Luton coming to OSU in the first place, and certainly hated it when he was handed the reigns to start considering OSU actually had a better starting QB on its roster. But Luton clearly has the raw skills to be a really good QB. Great coaching can take that kid a long way, too bad he doesn't have another year.
I don't care whatsoever who they choose to be QB, but I certainly can't bang on Luton for last year's effort. Dude was running for his life 75% of the times he dropped back to pass, and it wasn't because he held on to the ball too long. I think the kid has shown nothing but class and dedication and commitment to OSU.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 11, 2018 11:42:13 GMT -8
It certainly didn't help that we have been plagued with receivers who couldn't catch the clap in a duck sorority house over the past few seasons as well. A lot of off season work needs to be put in on both ends of the passing game.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 11, 2018 13:57:45 GMT -8
Imagine how fired up we'd be with 3M starting his senior season with this coaching staff.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 14:36:52 GMT -8
Imagine how fired up we'd be with 3M starting his senior season with this coaching staff. Dammit dude... you just triggered the s%#t out of me.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 11, 2018 17:15:00 GMT -8
In a twisted, weird kind of way, even though I’m a Luton guy, I hope Mason Moran makes a run and competes for the role. A great way to stick another dagger in the QCGA “legacy”. Moved to WR this week....
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