EOBeav
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 8, 2018 8:54:35 GMT -8
Ever since CJSmith & crew came on board, the coaching staff just hasn't seemed all-in on Luton. Even in one of the post-practice interviews, CJSmith has steered far away from committing to Luton as a player and instead has said something to the effect, "We're giving all the guys a chance to compete." Obviously this spring will reveal a lot as to which players are separating themselves, but I have to outwardly wonder if the coaching staff is a lot higher on Colletto than what they're letting on. Even at this point in the spring, even having not put any pads on. I think they've seen enough game film of Luton to see they need to look elsewhere.
The biggest knock against Colletto is that he's a JC transfer and wasn't even a starter there. To his credit, he didn't get the div. 1 offers he was looking for coming out of HS, and chose this route instead. Also, he happened to be the main back up for a guy who will be competing for the starting job at Virginia next year. In fact, the coach at AzWest encouraged Colletto to find a div. 1 school this year rather than spend another season at a JC.
Personally, I've never been sold on Luton. His image as a poor man's Sean Mannion are not without merit. He's got an absolute cannon for an arm, but to me just doesn't have the overall football acumen to compete at this level. In his defense, though, his single season as a Beaver was behind a GA coached offensive line.
Colletto just seems to have the intelligence, skills and background to come in and get the job done right away. Former Washington PoY who led his team to a state championship. Former coaches hold him in high regard. Can take a hit. Can run. Has a decent arm. Wants to study mechanical engineering. Since everybody is learning a new system from the ground up, nobody really has any advantage over him in that regard.
I'm predicting Colletto as the Beavers regular starter next season. If not in Week 1, then shortly thereafter, no later than mid-season. If he's not impressing at the spring game, I'll come back and eat my words. But for now, this is what I'm going on.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 8, 2018 9:52:00 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. I know, I know CJS is the head coach. I would not make any conclusions on evaluations quite yet. Jonathan is probably keeping the comments low key to see how the competition plays out
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 8, 2018 10:26:34 GMT -8
My guess is Luton will need to be significantly better than Colletto to win the job outright for a full season. If it's close, Colletto will probably get the nod at somne point because he's here for 3 years. This isn't a knock on Luton, but they are trying to build a program.
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EOBeav
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 8, 2018 10:54:24 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. And yet in many ways, he is not. From what I could see last year, he's not a field general like DA or a student of the game like Mannion. In fact, when I compare him to the OSU QB's that were successful during the Riley years, he's a long ways from all of them. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 8, 2018 11:01:10 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. And yet in many ways, he is not. From what I could see last year, he's not a field general like DA or a student of the game like Mannion. In fact, when I compare him to the OSU QB's that were successful during the Riley years, he's a long ways from all of them. Maybe I'm just projecting my great white hope onto him. But be careful in comparing previous QB from their senior years vs the growth along the way. After Derek got mauled by SC he didn't look like a field general the rest of the year  and i have never laid eyes on Colleto so I have zero frame of reference there. He might be my guy! |
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Post by seastape on Apr 8, 2018 11:21:31 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. And yet in many ways, he is not. From what I could see last year, he's not a field general like DA or a student of the game like Mannion. In fact, when I compare him to the OSU QB's that were successful during the Riley years, he's a long ways from all of them. I get what you are saying here, but I think our view of Luton is limited in that we only saw him for a few games last year under coaches that we can charitably say sucked. I don't think we had a true opportunity to see what Luton can bring to the table. People compared Luton to a poor man's Mannion; to me, he is more of a (very) poor man's DA with an arm that can sling it all over campus but will definitely make some mental errors that will lead to turnovers. I am taking the comments by CSmith at face value: every position is wide open for whoever steps up and grabs it and that includes QB. And why wouldn't it be that way for a new staff that has inherited a 1-11 team? Maybe Eggers is right and it will come down to Colletto and Luton or maybe one of the other guys will step up. I have no idea; I haven't seen anyone on the roster play except for Luton, so I couldn't judge. |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 8, 2018 11:24:15 GMT -8
Does Colleto have three to play three or four to play three?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 8, 2018 12:00:09 GMT -8
I'm not going to judge Luton by last year other than he's got arm strength. In the right system he should thrive at this level. If he had been in Riley's system for 3 years he might be quite a QB.
We still don't exactly know what Smith/Lindgren are going to do exactly as far as offense goes, so it's tough to really guess what they want/need at QB.
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Post by beaverdude on Apr 8, 2018 14:00:49 GMT -8
Luton left it all on the field last year. He didn't make excuses about poor line play, bad routes, or a porous D that meant the offense had to be perfect on every series. I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt.
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EOBeav
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Post by EOBeav on Apr 8, 2018 18:29:44 GMT -8
Does Colleto have three to play three or four to play three? I believe four to play three. Last year was only his first year out of high school, and he utilized that year with some playing time. |
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 9, 2018 11:47:37 GMT -8
Perhaps some of the quarterback concern is concern for Luton. That was a hell of a bad injury, and my spinal surgeon would be screaming bloody murder at me if I tried to play football at that level after my back surgeries, and my bones are made of concrete (metaphorically, a fortunate genetic trait that has helped me survive a lot of bad accidents without nary a damaged bone).
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 9, 2018 12:07:17 GMT -8
Ever since CJSmith & crew came on board, the coaching staff just hasn't seemed all-in on Luton. Even in one of the post-practice interviews, CJSmith has steered far away from committing to Luton as a player and instead has said something to the effect, "We're giving all the guys a chance to compete." Obviously this spring will reveal a lot as to which players are separating themselves, but I have to outwardly wonder if the coaching staff is a lot higher on Colletto than what they're letting on. Even at this point in the spring, even having not put any pads on. I think they've seen enough game film of Luton to see they need to look elsewhere. The biggest knock against Colletto is that he's a JC transfer and wasn't even a starter there. To his credit, he didn't get the div. 1 offers he was looking for coming out of HS, and chose this route instead. Also, he happened to be the main back up for a guy who will be competing for the starting job at Virginia next year. In fact, the coach at AzWest encouraged Colletto to find a div. 1 school this year rather than spend another season at a JC. Personally, I've never been sold on Luton. His image as a poor man's Sean Mannion are not without merit. He's got an absolute cannon for an arm, but to me just doesn't have the overall football acumen to compete at this level. In his defense, though, his single season as a Beaver was behind a GA coached offensive line. Colletto just seems to have the intelligence, skills and background to come in and get the job done right away. Former Washington PoY who led his team to a state championship. Former coaches hold him in high regard. Can take a hit. Can run. Has a decent arm. Wants to study mechanical engineering. Since everybody is learning a new system from the ground up, nobody really has any advantage over him in that regard. I'm predicting Colletto as the Beavers regular starter next season. If not in Week 1, then shortly thereafter, no later than mid-season. If he's not impressing at the spring game, I'll come back and eat my words. But for now, this is what I'm going on. Actions always speak louder than words. What I have seen of CJS is he is really, really good at giving a non-answer to almost every question, but he delivers it well and doesn't ruffle feathers doing it. He is sufficiently vague without being a jerk. He is non-committal without sounding wishy-washy. Luton is taking first team reps. Until he is not, Luton is your odds on favorite. That doesn't mean something doesn't change, but it means that for now, Luton is the de facto #1. A name nobody is talking about that maybe we should halfway pay attention to is Willard. Word is that he looks pretty sharp with his opportunities. |
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Post by biggieorange on Apr 9, 2018 12:32:49 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. I know, I know CJS is the head coach. I would not make any conclusions on evaluations quite yet. Jonathan is probably keeping the comments low key to see how the competition plays out I think your wrong. The prototypical Riley QB is accurate and able to read defenses.
A bit arm is nice, but more like frosting on the cake. I don't know what Coach Smith looks for, but I'm guess the same. |
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Post by biggieorange on Apr 9, 2018 12:40:10 GMT -8
Ever since CJSmith & crew came on board, the coaching staff just hasn't seemed all-in on Luton. Even in one of the post-practice interviews, CJSmith has steered far away from committing to Luton as a player and instead has said something to the effect, "We're giving all the guys a chance to compete." Obviously this spring will reveal a lot as to which players are separating themselves, but I have to outwardly wonder if the coaching staff is a lot higher on Colletto than what they're letting on. Even at this point in the spring, even having not put any pads on. I think they've seen enough game film of Luton to see they need to look elsewhere. The biggest knock against Colletto is that he's a JC transfer and wasn't even a starter there. To his credit, he didn't get the div. 1 offers he was looking for coming out of HS, and chose this route instead. Also, he happened to be the main back up for a guy who will be competing for the starting job at Virginia next year. In fact, the coach at AzWest encouraged Colletto to find a div. 1 school this year rather than spend another season at a JC. Personally, I've never been sold on Luton. His image as a poor man's Sean Mannion are not without merit. He's got an absolute cannon for an arm, but to me just doesn't have the overall football acumen to compete at this level. In his defense, though, his single season as a Beaver was behind a GA coached offensive line. Colletto just seems to have the intelligence, skills and background to come in and get the job done right away. Former Washington PoY who led his team to a state championship. Former coaches hold him in high regard. Can take a hit. Can run. Has a decent arm. Wants to study mechanical engineering. Since everybody is learning a new system from the ground up, nobody really has any advantage over him in that regard. I'm predicting Colletto as the Beavers regular starter next season. If not in Week 1, then shortly thereafter, no later than mid-season. If he's not impressing at the spring game, I'll come back and eat my words. But for now, this is what I'm going on. I'd steer away too. I mean all he was able to see was Luton on a poorly coached team so you want to stay unbiased and see how the players will do with YOUR offense and YOUR coaches. Still Luton has tools, so do the other guys, but fit with the offense and talent on hand is a tricky thing. Plus if he started hinting at giving the job to anyone, without them proving it to NOT JUST THE Staff, but to the other QBs as well,...a very good chance the other QBs bolt. Unlike Gary, Coach Smith and Riley realize this. I do think this position will be resolved in camp. FALL CAMP.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 9, 2018 12:45:50 GMT -8
Luton is the prototypical Riley QB. Tall and strong armed. I know, I know CJS is the head coach. I would not make any conclusions on evaluations quite yet. Jonathan is probably keeping the comments low key to see how the competition plays out I think your wrong. The prototypical Riley QB is accurate and able to read defenses.
A bit arm is nice, but more like frosting on the cake. I don't know what Coach Smith looks for, but I'm guess the same. Eh, I will push back. To be sure, despite Niner's smaller stature, he had a pretty solid arm. Not always the most pretty ball, but he got it out there and downfield several times. as Riley's passing offense evolved, the arm strength mattered more and more. He has a fairly set standard there. The out route. His targets had to be able to consistently deliver an 10 or 15 yard out without getting that route jumped. Probably one of the every day hardest routes to throw and one that requires a pretty stout arm. It is a fastball pass. Riley needed a QB that could throw ALL pro offense bread and butter routes. outs and digs, posts and corners. Riley loved the sideline pass. Well, he loved lots of routes, and route combinations... but it isn't a mystery about why some of our better SEs out there were also really good on the sideline. A guy that can work the out route, and a QB that can deliver it, with move the chains. Not trying to downplay accuracy and of course, mental ability to read defenses like you need to... but he did have a pretty high arm strength standard. Think back to all the Riley QBs we have had here... none of them were noodle arms. |
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