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Post by atownbeaver on May 15, 2018 11:04:56 GMT -8
Heard Bachmeier in an interview. He comes across very intelligent. Based on the information in interviews his academics are good. This is not the first time Boise State beat us out on a quarterback. Their starter last year chose them over us and others and was also a 4 star. They typically have at least 5 recruits we wanted per year. They already beat out us and many programs on 2 four stars. Casey Kline is the second. Harsin is not as good as coach as Peterson, but he is still good. The recruiting has not tailed off at all since Peterson left and may have even improved depending on how you compare. For whatever reason Harsin's staff is winning their fair of recruiting battles despite the winning falling off a bit. 4 stars picking BSU is relatively common. Now if their class started being mostly 4 stars, it would make one wonder. Again, it's not choosing Boise State over Oregon State that makes me wonder. It's Boise State over all the other offers. Cal Georgia Ole Miss Tennessee Boise State Which one of these things is not like the other? 4-stars picking Boise State is not that unusual, I agree - but there are about 400 prep kids that are 4-stars per year. There are 50-ish or less 5-star preps (the data I found says that there were only 33 in 2013). So what I am saying is that you're talking about the top 450 players in the country, and yeah BSU does sometimes sign some of those fringe 4-star athletes. But the top half of the 4-star kids are really rare, sought after players. There are 65 P5 schools that are each signing on average 20 kids per year, which means there are 1300 spots open in conferences with better exposure and opportunity than Boise provides. Competition for the top 250 is FIERCE. So yeah, it's really surprising, to the point of it being a legitimate question as to whether something else is at play, for Boise to get a commitment from a top 250 prospect over traditional powers when they do not have a generational coaching staff in place. According to the last about 10 years of BSU I went though on Rivals, 4 stars picking BSU is certainly the exception, not the norm. This year they have two of their 3 recruits at 4*, including Hank. But in previous years they have managed to grab one here and there. They are mostly 2 and 3 star recruits, top to bottom. No unheard of, but not exactly something one comes to expect there. Hank is the 8th ranked pro QB prospect in the nation and had an offer from nearly every meaningful school in most P5 conferences. Without a doubt, BSU is the "one of these is not like the other". I do not want to be sour grapes, but it is kind of baffling to me. It isn't just not picking us, it is not picking ANY of those great schools, that would give him a respected degree and/or be living in a cool place. I like Boise, I have family there... but Boise State is like a half step up the ladder from community college. It is a commuter school with limited degree offerings and basically zero entrance standards. The Boise State Endowment is less than $100 million. Which is to say, the value of all their patents, research contributions and donated gifts is less than $100 million. University of Idaho at Moscow is over $200 million and they are a pretty small state school. Oregon State is $550 million, and among the lowest in the Pac-12. Washington State and University of Oregon are both $800 million endowments. Nearly every other university in the Pac-12 are billion dollar or more endowed schools. Which says to me, Hank ain't going to Boise State to play school if you know what I mean...
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Post by orangeattack on May 15, 2018 11:18:00 GMT -8
So yeah, it's really surprising, to the point of it being a legitimate question as to whether something else is at play, for Boise to get a commitment from a top 250 prospect over traditional powers when they do not have a generational coaching staff in place. I think it has more to do with the power of marketing, branding and reputation than it does impugning the academics and intelligence of a high school student. For whatever reason Boise State has been identified (I would say they specifically positioned themselves) as the Mid Major school that is the David to Alabama and Ohio States Goliath. That brand, that reputation holds a GREAT amount of weight, and is going to stick in the minds of the public much longer than actual reality (BSU has only been middling lately, UCF and others SHOULD be the mid major darlings). So is Hank swayed by the excitement of being on a team that is fighting against "the man", being on a team that is successful year in and year out, being on a team that gets national attention even though it is a lowly G5 school? Or is he just too dumb to get into the other schools that have offered him (Like Georgia wouldn't get him into school???)? I think they enjoyed this reputation under Pete (and Hawkins... when CP was the OC). I do not think that they have that brand/reputation any more, that was more than a decade ago that they were running the Statue of Liberty against Oklahoma. The wisecrack about someone going to a WAC school because of academics is a vestigal fin from nearly 20 years ago when non P5 schools accepted non-qualifiers and partial-qualifiers, so-called Prop 48 signees. That loophole is long since closed and for prep students the entry qualifications are the same for about 95% of Division 1 football programs, Oregon State included. So again... something is up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 15, 2018 11:29:00 GMT -8
Again, it's not choosing Boise State over Oregon State that makes me wonder. It's Boise State over all the other offers. Cal Georgia Ole Miss Tennessee Boise State Which one of these things is not like the other? 4-stars picking Boise State is not that unusual, I agree - but there are about 400 prep kids that are 4-stars per year. There are 50-ish or less 5-star preps (the data I found says that there were only 33 in 2013). So what I am saying is that you're talking about the top 450 players in the country, and yeah BSU does sometimes sign some of those fringe 4-star athletes. But the top half of the 4-star kids are really rare, sought after players. There are 65 P5 schools that are each signing on average 20 kids per year, which means there are 1300 spots open in conferences with better exposure and opportunity than Boise provides. Competition for the top 250 is FIERCE. So yeah, it's really surprising, to the point of it being a legitimate question as to whether something else is at play, for Boise to get a commitment from a top 250 prospect over traditional powers when they do not have a generational coaching staff in place. According to the last about 10 years of BSU I went though on Rivals, 4 stars picking BSU is certainly the exception, not the norm. This year they have two of their 3 recruits at 4*, including Hank. But in previous years they have managed to grab one here and there. They are mostly 2 and 3 star recruits, top to bottom. No unheard of, but not exactly something one comes to expect there. Hank is the 8th ranked pro QB prospect in the nation and had an offer from nearly every meaningful school in most P5 conferences. Without a doubt, BSU is the "one of these is not like the other". I do not want to be sour grapes, but it is kind of baffling to me. It isn't just not picking us, it is not picking ANY of those great schools, that would give him a respected degree and/or be living in a cool place. I like Boise, I have family there... but Boise State is like a half step up the ladder from community college. It is a commuter school with limited degree offerings and basically zero entrance standards. The Boise State Endowment is less than $100 million. Which is to say, the value of all their patents, research contributions and donated gifts is less than $100 million. University of Idaho at Moscow is over $200 million and they are a pretty small state school. Oregon State is $550 million, and among the lowest in the Pac-12. Washington State and University of Oregon are both $800 million endowments. Nearly every other university in the Pac-12 are billion dollar or more endowed schools. Which says to me, Hank ain't going to Boise State to play school if you know what I mean... If I was choosing a college, of those five, I would choose California, but Berkeley is a hole. If I had to bide my time for three years before I could go pro, I would choose Boise in a heartbeat over Athens, Berkeley, Knoxville, and Oxford, and it is not even close. Mississippi and Oregon State both got shut out in the NFL draft. California only had two seventh rounders. Tennessee is on a new head coach after a ton of off-season drama. Georgia's quarterback is probably going to be true sophomore Jake Fromm, the #3 pro-style quarterback from 2017. Barring injury, Hank would not be seeing playing time until at least 2020 and maybe 2021, if Fromm sticks around. At Boise, Rypien may be gone next year. And the only thing between you and starting is probably going to be Chase Cord, a 6'3" three-star quarterback. If you look at every situation, you can certainly make a very plausible case that Hank is making a well thought out decision to go to Boise State.
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Post by biggieorange on May 15, 2018 12:29:27 GMT -8
According to the last about 10 years of BSU I went though on Rivals, 4 stars picking BSU is certainly the exception, not the norm. This year they have two of their 3 recruits at 4*, including Hank. But in previous years they have managed to grab one here and there. They are mostly 2 and 3 star recruits, top to bottom. No unheard of, but not exactly something one comes to expect there. Hank is the 8th ranked pro QB prospect in the nation and had an offer from nearly every meaningful school in most P5 conferences. Without a doubt, BSU is the "one of these is not like the other". I do not want to be sour grapes, but it is kind of baffling to me. It isn't just not picking us, it is not picking ANY of those great schools, that would give him a respected degree and/or be living in a cool place. I like Boise, I have family there... but Boise State is like a half step up the ladder from community college. It is a commuter school with limited degree offerings and basically zero entrance standards. The Boise State Endowment is less than $100 million. Which is to say, the value of all their patents, research contributions and donated gifts is less than $100 million. University of Idaho at Moscow is over $200 million and they are a pretty small state school. Oregon State is $550 million, and among the lowest in the Pac-12. Washington State and University of Oregon are both $800 million endowments. Nearly every other university in the Pac-12 are billion dollar or more endowed schools. Which says to me, Hank ain't going to Boise State to play school if you know what I mean... If I was choosing a college, of those five, I would choose California, but Berkeley is a hole. If I had to bide my time for three years before I could go pro, I would choose Boise in a heartbeat over Athens, Berkeley, Knoxville, and Oxford, and it is not even close. Mississippi and Oregon State both got shut out in the NFL draft. California only had two seventh rounders. Tennessee is on a new head coach after a ton of off-season drama. Georgia's quarterback is probably going to be true sophomore Jake Fromm, the #3 pro-style quarterback from 2017. Barring injury, Hank would not be seeing playing time until at least 2020 and maybe 2021, if Fromm sticks around. At Boise, Rypien may be gone next year. And the only thing between you and starting is probably going to be Chase Cord, a 6'3" three-star quarterback. If you look at every situation, you can certainly make a very plausible case that Hank is making a well thought out decision to go to Boise State. IF Berkeley is a hole, what do you think of Corvallis?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 15, 2018 12:54:45 GMT -8
I totally get that the kid has to choose where to spend the next 4-5 years of his life. Given the choice between Boise and Salt Lake City, both of which have a Tucanos Brazilian Grill, I'd choose Boise.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 15, 2018 14:16:32 GMT -8
Yeah, it just couldn't be because they basically offered to anoint him as the starter from day one, could it? Too simple. If Rypien doesn't come back (or is he a senior this year? I don't want to look that close...) Lets be honest, he'd practically be anointed the day one starter here too...
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Post by obf on May 16, 2018 7:20:00 GMT -8
If Rypien doesn't come back (or is he a senior this year? I don't want to look that close...) Lets be honest, he'd practically be anointed the day one starter here too... Assumed is a far cry from assured. If all it took was some hot air assurance... Why WOULDN'T we have given it??? It's not like we have anyone on the current roster to protect or assuage... And you could still have a "Competition"...
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