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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 10:16:25 GMT -8
I debated if this was going on recruiting board or not, but I decided the content was 50-50, so I stuck with main board. My point is more about the coaches we have now, not the recruiting news of it. anyhooooo: www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2018/04/hank_bachmeier_nations_no_5_pr.htmlNation's #5 pro passer like us, the bit i will point out: "I like it," Bachmeier said. "I kind of like how there's a town centered around the college. I have really good relationships the coach (Brian) Lindgren and coach Smith. From a football side, my relationships with coach Smith and coach Lindgren are as good as anybody, if not better, because they have been recruiting me since I was a freshman. My first offer came from coach Lindgren when he was at Colorado. It's a good opportunity."
Add in the expertise of assistant coach Mike Riley, and it's a trio of offensive minds in which Bachmeier believes strongly.
"Oregon State is one of my top schools," he said. "I don't necessarily have a top-anything yet, as far as cutting schools out. I'm not really there yet. But coach Lindgren and coach Smith, that's a huge difference for me - and coach (Mike) Riley, I haven't even mentioned him yet. Just to have those guys in my corner would be awesome, so I just think there's a lot of things that I'm attracted to from Oregon State."You have our OC that was targeting him early, we have a HC with a track record of QB success and we have Riley with his own legacy of NFL QBs. (it should be mentioned, despite a bad year at Nebraska, Tanner Lee is likely a middle round pick). It all spells a very positive future. Gotta love what is on the horizon for Oregon State Football.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Apr 11, 2018 10:21:41 GMT -8
I never understood it when Riley was HC here, and OSU was having some really good years then. I don't get how parents of top 10 pro-style QBs weren't making their kids go play for Riley. Yes we got some good ones, but the great ones should have been clamoring to play for Riley and in Riley's system if they wanted to move on to the NFL. I can probably think of a good dozen that could have used his guidance over the years that fizzled out. While 3 of Riley's QBs are still playing in the NFL. Or did Moore retire.
Anyway, good to see it bear fruit now, or lets hope it does.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 10:38:15 GMT -8
I never understood it when Riley was HC here, and OSU was having some really good years then. I don't get how parents of top 10 pro-style QBs weren't making their kids go play for Riley. Yes we got some good ones, but the great ones should have been clamoring to play for Riley and in Riley's system if they wanted to move on to the NFL. I can probably think of a good dozen that could have used his guidance over the years that fizzled out. While 3 of Riley's QBs are still playing in the NFL. Or did Moore retire. Anyway, good to see it bear fruit now, or lets hope it does. Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 11, 2018 15:03:40 GMT -8
I never understood it when Riley was HC here, and OSU was having some really good years then. I don't get how parents of top 10 pro-style QBs weren't making their kids go play for Riley. Yes we got some good ones, but the great ones should have been clamoring to play for Riley and in Riley's system if they wanted to move on to the NFL. I can probably think of a good dozen that could have used his guidance over the years that fizzled out. While 3 of Riley's QBs are still playing in the NFL. Or did Moore retire. Anyway, good to see it bear fruit now, or lets hope it does. Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint. The last that I heard, Moore wants to play some more. (I crack myself up.) However, he definitively does not want to play for Miami next year, because he felt that he got hosed in the Jay Cutler fiasco.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 11, 2018 16:20:55 GMT -8
I never understood it when Riley was HC here, and OSU was having some really good years then. I don't get how parents of top 10 pro-style QBs weren't making their kids go play for Riley. Yes we got some good ones, but the great ones should have been clamoring to play for Riley and in Riley's system if they wanted to move on to the NFL. I can probably think of a good dozen that could have used his guidance over the years that fizzled out. While 3 of Riley's QBs are still playing in the NFL. Or did Moore retire. Anyway, good to see it bear fruit now, or lets hope it does. Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint. Look at the guys rated ahead of Mannion in 2010. 1. Phillip Sims signed with Alabama. He transferred to Virginia and was ruled academically ineligible, so he transferred to the Winston-Salem State Rams. Sims went undrafted. 2. Jesse Scroggins signed with USC. He broke his thumb in preseason in 2011 and fell behind Matt Barkley at quarterback. Scroggins transferred to El Camino, where he was limited to six games because of injury. He transferred to Arizona, completing 7/18 for 152 yards and a TD (against Oregon). He finished his career at D2 Lindenwood. 3. Tyler Bray signed with Tennessee. He became the starter in week nine and turned a 2-6 start into a bowl berth. He started the next two seasons (Tennessee went 5-7 both years). Derek Dooley was fired during the season, so Bray went pro at season's end. He went undrafted but was signed by the Chiefs, only playing in the preseason. Bray was injured for the entire season in both 2014 and 2015. In 2017, Bray came on in relief of Patrick Mahomes II. In four offensive plays, he fumbled and went three-and-out with an incomplete pass. He played so poorly that Mahomes was re-inserted into the game to finish it out. He was signed by the Bears a couple of weeks ago. 4. Jake Heaps signed with BYU. He played second fiddle to Riley Nelson his first two seasons and so transferred to Kansas. He failed to start at Kansas, so he transferred to Miami. He was a backup to true freshman Brad Kaaya. Heaps went undrafted but was signed by the Jets before being cut in the preseason. He played for the Brooklyn Bolts instead. The Seahawks signed him from Brooklyn, but he only played on the practice squad for a couple of weeks before being cut. He played for Saskatchewan for a season before quitting to try and catch on with the Seahawks again. The BC Lions signed him for two weeks to be an emergency backup before being cut. 5. Connor Wood signed with Texas. He redshirted in 2010. In 2011, he lost out on the starting job, so he transferred to Colorado. He was primarily a backup in 2012. He was named the starter in 2013 but lost the position to Sefo Liufau in week 6. At the end of 2013, he retired from football. 6. Paul Jones signed with Penn State. He redshirted in 2010 and was ruled academically ineligible in 2011. In 2012, he was moved to TE. He transferred to Robert Morris in 2013, serving as their starting QB. Jones was ruled academically ineligible in 2014. 7. Brett Nottingham signed with Stanford. Nottingham backed up Andrew Luck for two seasons and then finished third on the depth chart in 2012. He transferred to Columbia. In 2013, he suffered a season-ending injury in the first game of the season against Fordham. In 2014, he started four games before being benched. After that, he refused to communicate with anyone and the coach kicked him off the team. 8. AJ Derby signed with Iowa. Derby redshirted in 2010 and was a backup in 2011. He transferred to Coffeyville Community College in 2012. In 2013, he transferred to Arkansas, where he was a backup. In 2014, he was converted into a TE. Derby played the first 11 games at TE with 7 starts before suffering a season-ending knee injury. The Patriots selected Derby in the sixth round. He was on IR in 2015. He played in the first game of the season in 2016 but was relegated to the practice squad thereafter. The Patriots traded Derby to the Broncos for a fifth-round pick, which was ultimately traded for Mike Gillislee. He was injured in 2017 and waived. The Dolphins claimed Derby off waivers on November 29, 2017. 9. Chase Rettig signed with Boston College. Rettig debuted in the third game of the season against Notre Dame but suffered an ankle injury. He missed a week but was the starter each game thereafter from 2010-2013. He signed with the Packers but was released in preseason. He signed with the Chargers the next year but did not make the final cut. 10. Scotty Young signed with Texas Tech. Young redshirted in 2010. Young was a backup in 2011. He transferred to Louisiana Tech for 2013. Young played in seven games starting six for Louisiana Tech in 2013. He retired from football in 2014. 11. Andrew Hendrix signed with Notre Dame. Hendrix redshirted in 2010. From 2011-2013, he played as a backup. Because Notre Dame does not count redshirts except in certain circumstances, Hendrix transferred to Miami of Ohio. He led Miami of Ohio to a 2-10 record in 2014. He received a minicamp invite from the Bengals in 2015 but did not make the team. 12. Bryan Bennett was signed by Oregon. He redshirted in 2010. He was a backup to Darron Thomas and Marcus Mariota in 2011 and 2012. He transferred to Southeastern Louisiana in 2013 to run an option offense. He was signed by the Colts in 2015 but was cut before the season started. He signed with Winnipeg a couple of weeks later. He signed with Saskatchewan in 2016. In 2017, he was cut by Saskatchewan. 13. Austin Hinder was signed by California. Hinder redshirted in 2010 and did not play a down in 2011 and 2012. Hinder played in 2013 and 2014 off the bench. 14. Chandler Whitmer was signed by Illinois. Whitmer redshirted in 2010. He transferred to Butler Community College, where he was named All-Kansas Junior College Conference. Whitmer transferred to Connecticut, where he led the team to 5-7, 2-10, and 2-10 records.
I look at lists like this, and I think, man, Riley was a heck of a recruiter. He could not always tear elite talent away from other teams, but he could identify great quarterbacks. Quarterbacks that have the tools and were not complete basket cases. I am excited that the offense might actually be, y'know, not terrible this year. Maybe, dare I say, semi-competent in 2019?
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 11, 2018 16:38:10 GMT -8
Had MR been hired at OSU two years earlier, a certain Patriot qb would probably have been a Beaver.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 12, 2018 7:00:54 GMT -8
Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint. The last that I heard, Moore wants to play some more. (I crack myself up.) However, he definitively does not want to play for Miami next year, because he felt that he got hosed in the Jay Cutler fiasco. He clearly got hosed. In no universe is Moore not, at least, as effective as the shambling corpse of Cutler... at he would of done it for far less than $10M. It was a major dick move on Miami's part. Why have and pay a decent amount for a competent #2 if you are never going to use them?
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Post by nexus73 on Apr 12, 2018 8:02:28 GMT -8
Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint. Look at the guys rated ahead of Mannion in 2010. 1. Phillip Sims signed with Alabama. He transferred to Virginia and was ruled academically ineligible, so he transferred to the Winston-Salem State Rams. Sims went undrafted. 2. Jesse Scroggins signed with USC. He broke his thumb in preseason in 2011 and fell behind Matt Barkley at quarterback. Scroggins transferred to El Camino, where he was limited to six games because of injury. He transferred to Arizona, completing 7/18 for 152 yards and a TD (against Oregon). He finished his career at D2 Lindenwood. 3. Tyler Bray signed with Tennessee. He became the starter in week nine and turned a 2-6 start into a bowl berth. He started the next two seasons (Tennessee went 5-7 both years). Derek Dooley was fired during the season, so Bray went pro at season's end. He went undrafted but was signed by the Chiefs, only playing in the preseason. Bray was injured for the entire season in both 2014 and 2015. In 2017, Bray came on in relief of Patrick Mahomes II. In four offensive plays, he fumbled and went three-and-out with an incomplete pass. He played so poorly that Mahomes was re-inserted into the game to finish it out. He was signed by the Bears a couple of weeks ago. 4. Jake Heaps signed with BYU. He played second fiddle to Riley Nelson his first two seasons and so transferred to Kansas. He failed to start at Kansas, so he transferred to Miami. He was a backup to true freshman Brad Kaaya. Heaps went undrafted but was signed by the Jets before being cut in the preseason. He played for the Brooklyn Bolts instead. The Seahawks signed him from Brooklyn, but he only played on the practice squad for a couple of weeks before being cut. He played for Saskatchewan for a season before quitting to try and catch on with the Seahawks again. The BC Lions signed him for two weeks to be an emergency backup before being cut. 5. Connor Wood signed with Texas. He redshirted in 2010. In 2011, he lost out on the starting job, so he transferred to Colorado. He was primarily a backup in 2012. He was named the starter in 2013 but lost the position to Sefo Liufau in week 6. At the end of 2013, he retired from football. 6. Paul Jones signed with Penn State. He redshirted in 2010 and was ruled academically ineligible in 2011. In 2012, he was moved to TE. He transferred to Robert Morris in 2013, serving as their starting QB. Jones was ruled academically ineligible in 2014. 7. Brett Nottingham signed with Stanford. Nottingham backed up Andrew Luck for two seasons and then finished third on the depth chart in 2012. He transferred to Columbia. In 2013, he suffered a season-ending injury in the first game of the season against Fordham. In 2014, he started four games before being benched. After that, he refused to communicate with anyone and the coach kicked him off the team. 8. AJ Derby signed with Iowa. Derby redshirted in 2010 and was a backup in 2011. He transferred to Coffeyville Community College in 2012. In 2013, he transferred to Arkansas, where he was a backup. In 2014, he was converted into a TE. Derby played the first 11 games at TE with 7 starts before suffering a season-ending knee injury. The Patriots selected Derby in the sixth round. He was on IR in 2015. He played in the first game of the season in 2016 but was relegated to the practice squad thereafter. The Patriots traded Derby to the Broncos for a fifth-round pick, which was ultimately traded for Mike Gillislee. He was injured in 2017 and waived. The Dolphins claimed Derby off waivers on November 29, 2017. 9. Chase Rettig signed with Boston College. Rettig debuted in the third game of the season against Notre Dame but suffered an ankle injury. He missed a week but was the starter each game thereafter from 2010-2013. He signed with the Packers but was released in preseason. He signed with the Chargers the next year but did not make the final cut. 10. Scotty Young signed with Texas Tech. Young redshirted in 2010. Young was a backup in 2011. He transferred to Louisiana Tech for 2013. Young played in seven games starting six for Louisiana Tech in 2013. He retired from football in 2014. 11. Andrew Hendrix signed with Notre Dame. Hendrix redshirted in 2010. From 2011-2013, he played as a backup. Because Notre Dame does not count redshirts except in certain circumstances, Hendrix transferred to Miami of Ohio. He led Miami of Ohio to a 2-10 record in 2014. He received a minicamp invite from the Bengals in 2015 but did not make the team. 12. Bryan Bennett was signed by Oregon. He redshirted in 2010. He was a backup to Darron Thomas and Marcus Mariota in 2011 and 2012. He transferred to Southeastern Louisiana in 2013 to run an option offense. He was signed by the Colts in 2015 but was cut before the season started. He signed with Winnipeg a couple of weeks later. He signed with Saskatchewan in 2016. In 2017, he was cut by Saskatchewan. 13. Austin Hinder was signed by California. Hinder redshirted in 2010 and did not play a down in 2011 and 2012. Hinder played in 2013 and 2014 off the bench. 14. Chandler Whitmer was signed by Illinois. Whitmer redshirted in 2010. He transferred to Butler Community College, where he was named All-Kansas Junior College Conference. Whitmer transferred to Connecticut, where he led the team to 5-7, 2-10, and 2-10 records.
I look at lists like this, and I think, man, Riley was a heck of a recruiter. He could not always tear elite talent away from other teams, but he could identify great quarterbacks. Quarterbacks that have the tools and were not complete basket cases. I am excited that the offense might actually be, y'know, not terrible this year. Maybe, dare I say, semi-competent in 2019?
Look at how many silk purses turned into sow's ears. MR wasn't the Great Recruiter as much as he was the Good Developer of QB's. USC always got better talent than we did but once their staff began to wander off to greener pastures after Pete Carroll had got the Trojans into National Championship waters, their performance as a team fell off. Even the best seeds need fertile soil and constant tending.
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Post by nabeav on Apr 12, 2018 8:10:10 GMT -8
Major props to wilkyisdashiznit - that's some excellent research there. Fun and interesting, I thank you for taking the time to look that up.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 12, 2018 9:01:19 GMT -8
Look at how many silk purses turned into sow's ears. MR wasn't the Great Recruiter as much as he was the Good Developer of QB's. USC always got better talent than we did but once their staff began to wander off to greener pastures after Pete Carroll had got the Trojans into National Championship waters, their performance as a team fell off. Even the best seeds need fertile soil and constant tending.
I think one can argue it does make him a great recruiter. Obviously not in star power, necessarily... but in targeting guys that projected into greatness and developed into greatness. I think most of us can agree he developed talent very well. But even being the best teacher in the world isn't going to overcome certain fundamental flaws. Riley could find guys that had all the basics in place (size, speed, arm strength, etc) and get them here. Ultimately, I think the better measure of how good a recruiter a person is a mix of what is their success rate in commits (commits to offers ratio) and the success rate in their commits being significant contributors/ starters and lastly their success rate in commits to all-league, all american and/or NFL status. That is a much more difficult analysis to pull off, so people just look at stars... and that doesn't paint a full picture.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Apr 12, 2018 17:25:13 GMT -8
Moore and DA are both FAs right now I think. DA probably resigns, not sure about Moore, but both had 10+ year careers. Not too shabby at all. I also agree with you, but to be sure, It isn't like our guys were total scrubs either. Mannion was the #15 nationally ranked pro passer and the overall 4th ranked California prospect, and a composite 4*. Matt Moore didn't take the traditional route to Oregon state, but he was a very highly ranked Pro passer, #12 overall nationally and a 4* recruit. We did ultimately land him when he transferred. Sean Canfield was just outside being a 4* recruit and the #19 nationally ranked Pro passer. Riley put those 3 guys in the NFL, for at least an extended cup of Coffee (Canfield never fully stuck, but did have parts of two seasons on active rosters and practice squads). With that, given these guys were very good but not "elite", it does beg the question of why elite didn't look more closely at Riley from a developmental and pro future standpoint. The last that I heard, Moore wants to play some more. (I crack myself up.) However, he definitively does not want to play for Miami next year, because he felt that he got hosed in the Jay Cutler fiasco. He totally got hosed. I don't blame him. Although as crappy as Miami was last year, he's probably thankful for the extra 5 years of life
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Post by orangeattack on Apr 20, 2018 11:42:40 GMT -8
Look at how many silk purses turned into sow's ears. MR wasn't the Great Recruiter as much as he was the Good Developer of QB's. USC always got better talent than we did but once their staff began to wander off to greener pastures after Pete Carroll had got the Trojans into National Championship waters, their performance as a team fell off. Even the best seeds need fertile soil and constant tending.
I think one can argue it does make him a great recruiter. Obviously not in star power, necessarily... but in targeting guys that projected into greatness and developed into greatness. I think most of us can agree he developed talent very well. But even being the best teacher in the world isn't going to overcome certain fundamental flaws. Riley could find guys that had all the basics in place (size, speed, arm strength, etc) and get them here. Ultimately, I think the better measure of how good a recruiter a person is a mix of what is their success rate in commits (commits to offers ratio) and the success rate in their commits being significant contributors/ starters and lastly their success rate in commits to all-league, all american and/or NFL status. That is a much more difficult analysis to pull off, so people just look at stars... and that doesn't paint a full picture. I remember a lot of posters from the Bay Area coming to bf.com and saying "hey I watched this kid play in high school and you have no idea what you've got. He's very special." I don't recall seeing that about anybody else really, but it serves to highlight for me that Riley picked out guys who could really, really play the game, and the running theme seems to be that they are uncommonly high in football IQ but not a whole bunch of freak athletes. Guys like Mannion didn't draw a ton of attention because he didn't have eye-popping measurables anywhere on the chart. He's 6-5, not 6-7 or 6-8. He has a strong arm but not a Derek Anderson cannon. Doesn't have special athleticism, doesn't run a great 40. Hell look at Jordan Poyer. The ability to find those diamonds in the rough with high IQ instead of falling in love with guys who made the All-Uniform Team is the sum of the difference between Riley and Anderpants.
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Post by ee1990 on Apr 21, 2018 21:41:37 GMT -8
I never understood it when Riley was HC here, and OSU was having some really good years then. I don't get how parents of top 10 pro-style QBs weren't making their kids go play for Riley. Yes we got some good ones, but the great ones should have been clamoring to play for Riley and in Riley's system if they wanted to move on to the NFL. I can probably think of a good dozen that could have used his guidance over the years that fizzled out. While 3 of Riley's QBs are still playing in the NFL. Or did Moore retire. Anyway, good to see it bear fruit now, or lets hope it does. Not enough marketing, not enough sales, not enough being talked about. Because I agree, if you want to be a millionaire NFL QB, even a backup(ESPECIALLY A BACKUP QB AKA THE BEST JOB IN THE WORLD...ahem) you should be knocking down Mike Riley's door. It just doesn't seem like there is awareness.
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Post by nforkbeav on May 11, 2018 8:41:17 GMT -8
Look at how many silk purses turned into sow's ears. MR wasn't the Great Recruiter as much as he was the Good Developer of QB's. USC always got better talent than we did but once their staff began to wander off to greener pastures after Pete Carroll had got the Trojans into National Championship waters, their performance as a team fell off. Even the best seeds need fertile soil and constant tending.
Saying MR wasn't a great recruiter along with followup sentence, USC always got better talent, makes me laugh. For sake of discussion, lets just suppose the NCAA made a new rule prohibiting all coaches from any recruiting activity and contact with high school players anymore. Zero, zilch, nada, no recruiting period from this date forwards. Starting with the 2019 recruiting class it is entirely up to high school prospects and their parents to seek out and decide which college they'd like to play for, without actually visiting with, or talking to any coaches at those schools. Under this new of recruiting, where coaches are entirely removed from recruiting and therefore can not be given credit for being either good or bad recruiters, where do you see OSU's national recruiting class ranking in comparison to USC's or the rest of the P12 for that matter?
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Post by orangeattack on May 11, 2018 11:58:01 GMT -8
Look at how many silk purses turned into sow's ears. MR wasn't the Great Recruiter as much as he was the Good Developer of QB's. USC always got better talent than we did but once their staff began to wander off to greener pastures after Pete Carroll had got the Trojans into National Championship waters, their performance as a team fell off. Even the best seeds need fertile soil and constant tending.
Saying MR wasn't a great recruiter along with followup sentence, USC always got better talent, makes me laugh. For sake of discussion, lets just suppose the NCAA made a new rule prohibiting all coaches from any recruiting activity and contact with high school players anymore. Zero, zilch, nada, no recruiting period from this date forwards. Starting with the 2019 recruiting class it is entirely up to high school prospects and their parents to seek out and decide which college they'd like to play for, without actually visiting with, or talking to any coaches at those schools. Under this new of recruiting, where coaches are entirely removed from recruiting and therefore can not be given credit for being either good or bad recruiters, where do you see OSU's national recruiting class ranking in comparison to USC's or the rest of the P12 for that matter? I think that the comment about SC wasn't meant to be an indictment of the talent that Riley was able to bring in, but intended to illustrate that it isn't about the talent you start with, it's the coaching they receive. When PC left, that talent development left SC.
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