thomasg86
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 10, 2018 13:57:52 GMT -8
I did some reading in the comments section and overall they seem pretty jazzed to have him back. Obviously they did not follow Oregon State very closely. Seriously, it hurts to say it, but who does? (Aside for a few posters on obscure bulletin boards) From now on, I am going to ignore Utah State and Boise State and some like teams and pay attention to our own problems. We have enough problems of our own without wishing others ill. It may suck to be Utah State or Boise State, but they have won a lot more games in the recent past than we have. Use your own logic and work on the sucking aspect of that fact. Oh, I don't wish them ill at all. Hope it works out for them, honestly. And I think we are generally aware nobody follows Oregon State. We suck. We are one of the most pathetic programs in the P5. Which makes it very easy to dismiss our concerns with GAG as the fault of OSU for sucking and expecting too much. However, those of us that DID follow OSU closely are aware of how he took a somewhat crappy team and cratered it into a dumpster fire of epic proportions with dumb move after dumb move. 3M was the shining example, but there were many others.
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Post by gzr on Dec 10, 2018 14:51:53 GMT -8
Seriously, it hurts to say it, but who does? (Aside for a few posters on obscure bulletin boards) From now on, I am going to ignore Utah State and Boise State and some like teams and pay attention to our own problems. We have enough problems of our own without wishing others ill. It may suck to be Utah State or Boise State, but they have won a lot more games in the recent past than we have. Use your own logic and work on the sucking aspect of that fact. "Who does?". Well, you'd think the fan base of, and decision makers tasked with hiring the football coach of, any athletic program would follow very closely what happened at the prior job of any coaching candidates. That appears not to be the case here, they all appear focused solely on what he did at USU quite a number of years ago and have blinders on for any other relevant data points that might inform as to his capabilities as a head football coach. Fan=Fanatic Maybe they are taking the Oregon State model Fertig, Avezzano, Kragthorpe, Pettibone, Little Richie, the president's brother-in-law, McVicar, Jensen, the oceanic guy, the present guy--the list goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:07:38 GMT -8
because this awesome post keeps popping to the top of the board for some reason.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 11, 2018 10:49:05 GMT -8
"Who does?". Well, you'd think the fan base of, and decision makers tasked with hiring the football coach of, any athletic program would follow very closely what happened at the prior job of any coaching candidates. That appears not to be the case here, they all appear focused solely on what he did at USU quite a number of years ago and have blinders on for any other relevant data points that might inform as to his capabilities as a head football coach. Fan=Fanatic Maybe they are taking the Oregon State model Fertig, Avezzano, Kragthorpe, Pettibone, Little Richie, the president's brother-in-law, McVicar, Jensen, the oceanic guy, the present guy--the list goes on. Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 11, 2018 10:58:35 GMT -8
Fan=Fanatic Maybe they are taking the Oregon State model Fertig, Avezzano, Kragthorpe, Pettibone, Little Richie, the president's brother-in-law, McVicar, Jensen, the oceanic guy, the present guy--the list goes on. Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types. Ritchie convinced Danny Granger to transfer from Bradley. That was the only reason he had 1 good year at New Mexico. Take that year out and his record is not good.
He's tearing up the CIT tournament every year at Liberty though...….
Kragthorpe was the best on your list and I will give you that he did not have the support to be successful. Pettibone got convinced to switch out of his system and that was the end for him. He was a good fundraiser though.
Avezzano and Fertig are garbage. The can join GAG in the worst coach of all time fraternity.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 11, 2018 11:20:01 GMT -8
Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types. Ritchie convinced Danny Granger to transfer from Bradley. That was the only reason he had 1 good year at New Mexico. Take that year out and his record is not good.
He's tearing up the CIT tournament every year at Liberty though...….
Kragthorpe was the best on your list and I will give you that he did not have the support to be successful. Pettibone got convinced to switch out of his system and that was the end for him. He was a good fundraiser though.
Avezzano and Fertig are garbage. The can join GAG in the worst coach of all time fraternity.
For me. GAG is in a class by himself. A 6 sigma standard deviation on the left hand side of the bell curve.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 11, 2018 11:47:17 GMT -8
Heavy.
MBA style.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 11, 2018 11:50:19 GMT -8
I for one am fascinated by the Gary Andersen experience. I'm listening to his introductory press conference right now at USU - he expressed his thanks to the president and AD, calling searches for head coaches "taxful" (good to see he's still making up words), the searches go "all day and all night and you wake up and you're getting hit, hit, hit by a million people."
Later he said "There's no shortage of guys who want to come here and coach, and if you don't believe me I can show you my phone.....just not right now because I didn't bring it with me."
He said his intent was to be the head coach AND defensive coordinator, but an individual has identified themselves as wanting the job, and he's one of the few people that GA feels comfortable handing the D to....can't wait to see who that is.
He also said he's going to move quickly on the coordinators, but he's learned through time that he needs to take his time on the rest of the coaching staff and allow the coordinators to have input on those....admitted he's not a very patient person and has trouble delegating.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 11, 2018 12:18:49 GMT -8
Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types. Ritchie convinced Danny Granger to transfer from Bradley. That was the only reason he had 1 good year at New Mexico. Take that year out and his record is not good.
He's tearing up the CIT tournament every year at Liberty though...….
Kragthorpe was the best on your list and I will give you that he did not have the support to be successful. Pettibone got convinced to switch out of his system and that was the end for him. He was a good fundraiser though.
Avezzano and Fertig are garbage. The can join GAG in the worst coach of all time fraternity. For my money, Fertig was still the worst. It never seemed like he was 100% working for Oregon State. I do not think that Avezzano was out-and-out terrible, but Fertig put him in such a hole that it would have been very difficult for anyone to to dig out in five years. I think that Kragthorpe was a better X and O guy than Avezzano, but he had different problems.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 11, 2018 16:47:38 GMT -8
Ritchie convinced Danny Granger to transfer from Bradley. That was the only reason he had 1 good year at New Mexico. Take that year out and his record is not good.
He's tearing up the CIT tournament every year at Liberty though...….
Kragthorpe was the best on your list and I will give you that he did not have the support to be successful. Pettibone got convinced to switch out of his system and that was the end for him. He was a good fundraiser though.
Avezzano and Fertig are garbage. The can join GAG in the worst coach of all time fraternity. For my money, Fertig was still the worst. It never seemed like he was 100% working for Oregon State. I do not think that Avezzano was out-and-out terrible, but Fertig put him in such a hole that it would have been very difficult for anyone to to dig out in five years. I think that Kragthorpe was a better X and O guy than Avezzano, but he had different problems. All I can say that we bought a 33 year old coach with a salary (after factoring in inflation) that was about 1/20th what Coach Smith is getting, (and he signed for a lot less than many power 5 coaches). By comparison, a 38 year old Woody Hayes signed at Ohio State in 1951 for $113,000. You get what your administration is willing to pay for......
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Post by Tigardbeav on Dec 11, 2018 19:54:24 GMT -8
I for one am fascinated by the Gary Andersen experience. I'm listening to his introductory press conference right now at USU - he expressed his thanks to the president and AD, calling searches for head coaches "taxful" (good to see he's still making up words), the searches go "all day and all night and you wake up and you're getting hit, hit, hit by a million people." Later he said "There's no shortage of guys who want to come here and coach, and if you don't believe me I can show you my phone.....just not right now because I didn't bring it with me." He said his intent was to be the head coach AND defensive coordinator, but an individual has identified themselves as wanting the job, and he's one of the few people that GA feels comfortable handing the D to....can't wait to see who that is. He also said he's going to move quickly on the coordinators, but he's learned through time that he needs to take his time on the rest of the coaching staff and allow the coordinators to have input on those....admitted he's not a very patient person and has trouble delegating. any mention of: trust the process BBP thanking his wife for not wringing his neck puff piece in the local fish wrap with his dogs
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 11, 2018 21:07:20 GMT -8
I wasted enough time being mad at Anderpanties when he was here. Not ever gonna waste another second being mad at him now that he's at USU.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 11, 2018 21:54:08 GMT -8
I for one am fascinated by the Gary Andersen experience. I'm listening to his introductory press conference right now at USU - he expressed his thanks to the president and AD, calling searches for head coaches "taxful" (good to see he's still making up words), the searches go "all day and all night and you wake up and you're getting hit, hit, hit by a million people." Later he said "There's no shortage of guys who want to come here and coach, and if you don't believe me I can show you my phone.....just not right now because I didn't bring it with me." He said his intent was to be the head coach AND defensive coordinator, but an individual has identified themselves as wanting the job, and he's one of the few people that GA feels comfortable handing the D to....can't wait to see who that is. He also said he's going to move quickly on the coordinators, but he's learned through time that he needs to take his time on the rest of the coaching staff and allow the coordinators to have input on those....admitted he's not a very patient person and has trouble delegating. any mention of: trust the process BBP thanking his wife for not wringing his neck puff piece in the local fish wrap with his dogs Process was mentioned numerous times. No BBP, however. High comedy when a cell phone went off and he scolded his son, only for his wife to admit it was hers. I think the AD mentioned care factor though.
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Post by zebraworks on Dec 11, 2018 22:28:44 GMT -8
So the band's getting back together??
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 12, 2018 4:20:03 GMT -8
As Barry Alvarez might say, "I'm just glad he is not coaching here anymore."
Go Beavs!!
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