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Post by korculabeav on Dec 12, 2018 4:36:14 GMT -8
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Post by gzr on Dec 12, 2018 7:22:57 GMT -8
It is the season for a great religion--the essence of which is forgiveness. Anyone brave enough to claim to be a Christian these days or should all of us infidels continue to bash GA? Let him have a rebirth, hope he tames his demons, and let him go. We are on a new, better road today. I want to talk about Jonathan Smith and the building job he seems to be doing for us.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 12, 2018 8:39:42 GMT -8
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 12, 2018 12:28:14 GMT -8
So the band's getting back together?? Nope. Kuaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha just got hired at U$C
Go Beavs!!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 12, 2018 12:48:06 GMT -8
As Barry Alvarez might say, "I'm just glad he is not coaching here anymore."
Go Beavs!! I think that Wisconsin has bigger fish to fry, personally. Four years in, and here are the results of the 2014 coaching carousel: 2014: Wisconsin 6-2 11-3 Nebraska 6-3 9-4 Pittsburgh 4-4 6-7 Oregon State 2-7 5-7
2018: Pittsburgh 6-2 7-6 Wisconsin 5-4 7-5 Nebraska 3-6 4-8 Oregon State 1-8 2-10
I would also note that the Spartans were 8-1 (12-2) and playing in the CFP in 2014. Then, Pittsburgh hired away Narduzzi, and Michigan State finished 5-4 (7-5) in 2018.
In summation, BDC ruined the football team and helped ruin the Michigan State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin programs, as well, while generally helping Pittsburgh's program.
GAG was trying to leave a bad situation, and BDC was dumb enough to think that GAG would be a great fit here. This was despite the fact that GAG was clearly in over his head and, even more clearly, had absolutely zero respect or appreciation for the history and culture of the Pac-12, generally, and Oregon State, specifically.
As I said, while the fire Riley crowd were lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks, if BDC is the AD, it is doubtful that he will find anyone better than Riley.
In the end, we all get the football team that the fan base deserves.
Hopefully, Smitty rights the ship in 2019.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 12, 2018 13:40:44 GMT -8
I'd be curious which of those four teams had the least amount of coaching turnover in the four subsequent years. Nebraska and OSU changed entire staffs. Wisconsin is on their third DC in the subsequent five seasons. Has Pitt dealt with similar turnover?
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 12, 2018 13:57:01 GMT -8
As Barry Alvarez might say, "I'm just glad he is not coaching here anymore."
Go Beavs!! I think that Wisconsin has bigger fish to fry, personally. Four years in, and here are the results of the 2014 coaching carousel: 2014: Wisconsin 6-2 11-3 Nebraska 6-3 9-4 Pittsburgh 4-4 6-7 Oregon State 2-7 5-7
2018: Pittsburgh 6-2 7-6 Wisconsin 5-4 7-5 Nebraska 3-6 4-8 Oregon State 1-8 2-10
I would also note that the Spartans were 8-1 (12-2) and playing in the CFP in 2014. Then, Pittsburgh hired away Narduzzi, and Michigan State finished 5-4 (7-5) in 2018.
In summation, BDC ruined the football team and helped ruin the Michigan State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin programs, as well, while generally helping Pittsburgh's program.
GAG was trying to leave a bad situation, and BDC was dumb enough to think that GAG would be a great fit here. This was despite the fact that GAG was clearly in over his head and, even more clearly, had absolutely zero respect or appreciation for the history and culture of the Pac-12, generally, and Oregon State, specifically.
As I said, while the fire Riley crowd were lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks, if BDC is the AD, it is doubtful that he will find anyone better than Riley.
In the end, we all get the football team that the fan base deserves.
Hopefully, Smitty rights the ship in 2019.That's a big leap. Riley was not forced out of here. People wanted him to consider canning his DC and his overpaid ST coach, but there was no mob after him.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 12, 2018 14:14:53 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 12, 2018 14:16:53 GMT -8
I think that Wisconsin has bigger fish to fry, personally. Four years in, and here are the results of the 2014 coaching carousel: 2014: Wisconsin 6-2 11-3 Nebraska 6-3 9-4 Pittsburgh 4-4 6-7 Oregon State 2-7 5-7
2018: Pittsburgh 6-2 7-6 Wisconsin 5-4 7-5 Nebraska 3-6 4-8 Oregon State 1-8 2-10
I would also note that the Spartans were 8-1 (12-2) and playing in the CFP in 2014. Then, Pittsburgh hired away Narduzzi, and Michigan State finished 5-4 (7-5) in 2018.
In summation, BDC ruined the football team and helped ruin the Michigan State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin programs, as well, while generally helping Pittsburgh's program.
GAG was trying to leave a bad situation, and BDC was dumb enough to think that GAG would be a great fit here. This was despite the fact that GAG was clearly in over his head and, even more clearly, had absolutely zero respect or appreciation for the history and culture of the Pac-12, generally, and Oregon State, specifically.
As I said, while the fire Riley crowd were lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks, if BDC is the AD, it is doubtful that he will find anyone better than Riley.
In the end, we all get the football team that the fan base deserves.
Hopefully, Smitty rights the ship in 2019.That's a big leap. Riley was not forced out of here. People wanted him to consider canning his DC and his overpaid ST coach, but there was no mob after him. There were plenty of "fans" that wanted Riley gone. It went beyond coordinator changes. The mob may not have been huge, but it was significant enough to apparently trigger actions by both the AD and Riley.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 12, 2018 15:23:09 GMT -8
Wow, I never knew that Bob De Carolis, who never made a personnel decision for Wisconsin, Pittsburgh and Michigan State, could be responsible for the apparent "demise" of those programs. He's the most powerful man in college football, even though he hasn't been an AD since 2015!
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 12, 2018 15:23:22 GMT -8
Fan=Fanatic Maybe they are taking the Oregon State model Fertig, Avezzano, Kragthorpe, Pettibone, Little Richie, the president's brother-in-law, McVicar, Jensen, the oceanic guy, the present guy--the list goes on. Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types. Well... $26K in 1976 had the purchasing power of $117,856 in November 2018 dollars. Minimum wage in 1976 was just increased to $2.30/hr. The federal poverty guidelines were first published in 1976 in a strange coincidence, having been authorized in a 1974 education bill, in order to address inequity in funding poor school districts. At any rate. the federal "low income threshold" in 1976 was $2,658 for an individual and $6,006 for a family of 4. Median household income was $12,686 and per capita income was $4,767, Long story short. $26K was more than double the average family income in 1976. WHICH leads us to Woody Hayes, which you bring up later... $113K in 1951 has the purchasing power of about $1.121M. Woody Hayes was a ground breaker in the era of crazy high salaries. but in comparison with today, it is modest, if even low! I have no point here. just throwing this all out there because... reasons?
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 12, 2018 19:47:19 GMT -8
That's a big leap. Riley was not forced out of here. People wanted him to consider canning his DC and his overpaid ST coach, but there was no mob after him. There were plenty of "fans" that wanted Riley gone. It went beyond coordinator changes. The mob may not have been huge, but it was significant enough to apparently trigger actions by both the AD and Riley. We don’t have “plenty of fans”. That’s why we lose so much money. The AD did not make Riley leave. He just wanted some changes that Riley’s loyalty wouldn’t allow.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 12, 2018 20:20:26 GMT -8
There were plenty of "fans" that wanted Riley gone. It went beyond coordinator changes. The mob may not have been huge, but it was significant enough to apparently trigger actions by both the AD and Riley. We don’t have “plenty of fans”. That’s why we lose so much money. The AD did not make Riley leave. He just wanted some changes that Riley’s loyalty wouldn’t allow. I believe this is pretty close to the truth.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 13, 2018 7:43:01 GMT -8
I think we have lots of fans, as shown by our past crowds well in excess of 40k. But right now all those fans aren't current customers. They follow the games, but just don't buy tickets ... yet.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 13, 2018 8:22:32 GMT -8
I remember back in 2015-16 when Riley threads were the most active on this board during the offseason. Glad to see that it's just a former coach thing, and not specifically an MR thing.
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