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Post by zebraworks on Dec 13, 2018 9:35:39 GMT -8
The AD did not make Riley leave. He just wanted some changes that Riley’s loyalty wouldn’t allow. well Riley allowed it at Nebraska!! I guess the pay was enough to do it
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 13, 2018 10:30:25 GMT -8
well Riley allowed it at Nebraska!! I guess the pay was enough to do it Nebraska is an example of how an AD can destroy a program, at least a couple of times now.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 13, 2018 12:50:51 GMT -8
We don’t have “plenty of fans”. That’s why we lose so much money. The AD did not make Riley leave. He just wanted some changes that Riley’s loyalty wouldn’t allow. I believe this is pretty close to the truth. My understanding of the situation was that, after the 2013 season, at least one big donor (and possibly multiple big donors) had had it with Riley and wanted him out. Riley was basically unfireable with his contract, but his coordinators were not, so they got BDC to work on the coordinators and the fiscal outlays to football to create leverage to make Riley quit or to overhaul the team, because they believed that Riley's systems were the problem. Those same big donors then stepped up to help cover the difference between Riley's salary and GAG's salary at the end of 2014. Langs was a great QB guy. Banker was a great defensive coordinator. Neither were spectacular recruiters. The 1997-2013 run ended when that last pass fell incomplete in the 2013 Civil War. BDC put the screws to Riley to get rid of Langsdorf, who had just led Oregon State to statistically its best offense ever, because.........reasons. It was January 24, 2014, nine days after draft-eligible sophomores and juniors had to declare (to try and keep Cooks and make sure that Mannion did not declare) but 12 days before the end of recruiting. The timing was terrible. I could only imagine how Mannion felt about the whole situation, having to adjust between Langsdorf and Garrett between his junior and senior seasons. He very vocally sang Langsdorf's praises shortly after the announcement was made. With pretty much everyone that would take the job already working as an offensive coordinator somewhere else, Riley hired John Garrett, who had zero OC experience and who showed a disdain for actually working as an offensive coordinator for a good third of the season. He only moved to the booth after the USC debacle and only averaged 25.4 ppg. Against the same opponents the year before, Oregon State averaged 35.9 ppg. The 10.5 ppg difference was big enough to turn a 7-5 team into a 5-7 team. Now, with the prospect of breaking in a new defensive coordinator, while having to carry an offensive coordinator that was just cutting his teeth at the position, Nebraska came calling. I do not blame Riley one bit for leaving. BDC was a disaster for the football program. In every way that one can be a disaster for the football program, funneling revenues from the football team to the other programs and forcing Riley to operate on a shoestring budget. Then, forcing out Langs and working on forcing out Banker. Then, hiring GAG. Success after success after success. Oregon State had the 27th-best offense in NCAA football in 2013. Oregon State fell to 62nd in 2014. GAG turned in the 96th, 79th, and 107th best offenses.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 13, 2018 13:01:44 GMT -8
Little Richie led New Mexico to the NCAA's once and left there with a winning percentage over .500. Avezzano happened to be good friends with an NFL coach and ended up with several Super Bowl rings and a long career with the Cowboys as a great special teams coach. Kragthorpe had a successful professional Administrative career and the following assistant coaches under him have had some success: Brady Hoke: Ball State (2003–2008), San Diego State (2009–2010), Michigan (2011–2014), Tennessee (2017) Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–present) Bronco Mendenhall: BYU (2005–2015), Virginia (2016–present). Pettibone was a heck of a fundraiser and managed to wring blood from the turnip that was OSU football support back in the day. Fertig was signed by OSU for the munificent sum of a three-year contract at $26,000 per year, which was less than the average truck driver was making back then. Not saying that some of these coaches were the "best", but I am saying there may have been a bit more to their failures than just not being great X and O types. Well... $26K in 1976 had the purchasing power of $117,856 in November 2018 dollars. Minimum wage in 1976 was just increased to $2.30/hr. The federal poverty guidelines were first published in 1976 in a strange coincidence, having been authorized in a 1974 education bill, in order to address inequity in funding poor school districts. At any rate. the federal "low income threshold" in 1976 was $2,658 for an individual and $6,006 for a family of 4. Median household income was $12,686 and per capita income was $4,767, Long story short. $26K was more than double the average family income in 1976. WHICH leads us to Woody Hayes, which you bring up later... $113K in 1951 has the purchasing power of about $1.121M. Woody Hayes was a ground breaker in the era of crazy high salaries. but in comparison with today, it is modest, if even low! I have no point here. just throwing this all out there because... reasons? That fact of the matter was that NCAA football was still several years away from being a real money maker. Until 1990, all 63 teams in the CFA (including all of the members of the SEC) only earned about $100,000.00/yr. from television. Last year, each SEC team was paid around $39.3 million from television (a 39,200% increase). If anything, Hayes was overpaid for his time.
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Post by gzr on Dec 13, 2018 13:02:15 GMT -8
I believe this is pretty close to the truth. My understanding of the situation was that, after the 2013 season, at least one big donor (and possibly multiple big donors) had had it with Riley and wanted him out. Riley was basically unfireable with his contract, but his coordinators were not, so they got BDC to work on the coordinators and the fiscal outlays to football to create leverage to make Riley quit or to overhaul the team, because they believed that Riley's systems were the problem. Those same big donors then stepped up to help cover the difference between Riley's salary and GAG's salary at the end of 2014. Langs was a great QB guy. Banker was a great defensive coordinator. Neither were spectacular recruiters. The 1997-2013 run ended when that last pass fell incomplete in the 2013 Civil War. BDC put the screws to Riley to get rid of Langsdorf, who had just led Oregon State to statistically its best offense ever, because.........reasons. It was January 24, 2014, nine days after draft-eligible sophomores and juniors had to declare (to try and keep Cooks and make sure that Mannion did not declare) but 12 days before the end of recruiting. The timing was terrible. I could only imagine how Mannion felt about the whole situation, having to adjust between Langsdorf and Garrett between his junior and senior seasons. He very vocally sang Langsdorf's praises shortly after the announcement was made. With pretty much everyone that would take the job already working as an offensive coordinator somewhere else, Riley hired John Garrett, who had zero OC experience and who showed a disdain for actually working as an offensive coordinator for a good third of the season. He only moved to the booth after the USC debacle and only averaged 25.4 ppg. Against the same opponents the year before, Oregon State averaged 35.9 ppg. The 10.5 ppg difference was big enough to turn a 7-5 team into a 5-7 team. Now, with the prospect of breaking in a new defensive coordinator, while having to carry an offensive coordinator that was just cutting his teeth at the position, Nebraska came calling. I do not blame Riley one bit for leaving. BDC was a disaster for the football program. In every way that one can be a disaster for the football program, funneling revenues from the football team to the other programs and forcing Riley to operate on a shoestring budget. Then, forcing out Langs and working on forcing out Banker. Then, hiring GAG. Success after success after success. Oregon State had the 27th-best offense in NCAA football in 2013. Oregon State fell to 62nd in 2014. GAG turned in the 96th, 79th, and 107th best offenses. Got to run to the bookstore for some log-log paper for that one!!!!!
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 13, 2018 13:30:59 GMT -8
I believe this is pretty close to the truth. My understanding of the situation was that, after the 2013 season, at least one big donor (and possibly multiple big donors) had had it with Riley and wanted him out. Riley was basically unfireable with his contract, but his coordinators were not, so they got BDC to work on the coordinators and the fiscal outlays to football to create leverage to make Riley quit or to overhaul the team, because they believed that Riley's systems were the problem. Those same big donors then stepped up to help cover the difference between Riley's salary and GAG's salary at the end of 2014. Langs was a great QB guy. Banker was a great defensive coordinator. Neither were spectacular recruiters. The 1997-2013 run ended when that last pass fell incomplete in the 2013 Civil War. BDC put the screws to Riley to get rid of Langsdorf, who had just led Oregon State to statistically its best offense ever, because.........reasons. It was January 24, 2014, nine days after draft-eligible sophomores and juniors had to declare (to try and keep Cooks and make sure that Mannion did not declare) but 12 days before the end of recruiting. The timing was terrible. I could only imagine how Mannion felt about the whole situation, having to adjust between Langsdorf and Garrett between his junior and senior seasons. He very vocally sang Langsdorf's praises shortly after the announcement was made. With pretty much everyone that would take the job already working as an offensive coordinator somewhere else, Riley hired John Garrett, who had zero OC experience and who showed a disdain for actually working as an offensive coordinator for a good third of the season. He only moved to the booth after the USC debacle and only averaged 25.4 ppg. Against the same opponents the year before, Oregon State averaged 35.9 ppg. The 10.5 ppg difference was big enough to turn a 7-5 team into a 5-7 team. Now, with the prospect of breaking in a new defensive coordinator, while having to carry an offensive coordinator that was just cutting his teeth at the position, Nebraska came calling. I do not blame Riley one bit for leaving. BDC was a disaster for the football program. In every way that one can be a disaster for the football program, funneling revenues from the football team to the other programs and forcing Riley to operate on a shoestring budget. Then, forcing out Langs and working on forcing out Banker. Then, hiring GAG. Success after success after success. Oregon State had the 27th-best offense in NCAA football in 2013. Oregon State fell to 62nd in 2014. GAG turned in the 96th, 79th, and 107th best offenses. That's a stretch. Slightly above average at best and he could never adapt his schemes to the spread offenses.
He did well against pro-style offenses, but got killed versus the spreads.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 13, 2018 16:09:52 GMT -8
My understanding of the situation was that, after the 2013 season, at least one big donor (and possibly multiple big donors) had had it with Riley and wanted him out. Riley was basically unfireable with his contract, but his coordinators were not, so they got BDC to work on the coordinators and the fiscal outlays to football to create leverage to make Riley quit or to overhaul the team, because they believed that Riley's systems were the problem. Those same big donors then stepped up to help cover the difference between Riley's salary and GAG's salary at the end of 2014. Langs was a great QB guy. Banker was a great defensive coordinator. Neither were spectacular recruiters. The 1997-2013 run ended when that last pass fell incomplete in the 2013 Civil War. BDC put the screws to Riley to get rid of Langsdorf, who had just led Oregon State to statistically its best offense ever, because.........reasons. It was January 24, 2014, nine days after draft-eligible sophomores and juniors had to declare (to try and keep Cooks and make sure that Mannion did not declare) but 12 days before the end of recruiting. The timing was terrible. I could only imagine how Mannion felt about the whole situation, having to adjust between Langsdorf and Garrett between his junior and senior seasons. He very vocally sang Langsdorf's praises shortly after the announcement was made. With pretty much everyone that would take the job already working as an offensive coordinator somewhere else, Riley hired John Garrett, who had zero OC experience and who showed a disdain for actually working as an offensive coordinator for a good third of the season. He only moved to the booth after the USC debacle and only averaged 25.4 ppg. Against the same opponents the year before, Oregon State averaged 35.9 ppg. The 10.5 ppg difference was big enough to turn a 7-5 team into a 5-7 team. Now, with the prospect of breaking in a new defensive coordinator, while having to carry an offensive coordinator that was just cutting his teeth at the position, Nebraska came calling. I do not blame Riley one bit for leaving. BDC was a disaster for the football program. In every way that one can be a disaster for the football program, funneling revenues from the football team to the other programs and forcing Riley to operate on a shoestring budget. Then, forcing out Langs and working on forcing out Banker. Then, hiring GAG. Success after success after success. Oregon State had the 27th-best offense in NCAA football in 2013. Oregon State fell to 62nd in 2014. GAG turned in the 96th, 79th, and 107th best offenses. That's a stretch. Slightly above average at best and he could never adapt his schemes to the spread offenses.
He did well against pro-style offenses, but got killed versus the spreads.
Did pretty well against Isaiah Stanback UW as I recall. He was tearing up the league but I believe D Doggett shut him down. Could be wrong, but someone was a spy and crushed him. Isn't it more true that he got killed by the UO spreads of Mariotta and Thomas? Not for nothing, but those were some pretty good teams.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 13, 2018 16:29:49 GMT -8
That's a stretch. Slightly above average at best and he could never adapt his schemes to the spread offenses.
He did well against pro-style offenses, but got killed versus the spreads.
Did pretty well against Isaiah Stanback UW as I recall. He was tearing up the league but I believe D Doggett shut him down. Could be wrong, but someone was a spy and crushed him. Isn't it more true that he got killed by the UO spreads of Mariotta and Thomas? Not for nothing, but those were some pretty good teams. Banker was a little slow to adjust to the change in the league, and that was his worst sin. Not wanting to employ nickle and dime packages slowed his progression in finding a defense that worked. He did some good things against the spread before others figured it out - putting Paea in at 0 tech so they could not leave him unblocked was one of the more tactically sound decisions I recall from his tenure. His use of Poyer as a rover was a great way to make use of a talented, talented player. And, by the numbers Banker actually performed better than his peers against Oregon's spread option - or at least above average. He certainly wasn't terrible when you consider the relative performance of his peers. Oregon scored points and put up yards on everybody, not just the Beavs.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 13, 2018 21:07:17 GMT -8
BDC was a disaster for the football program. Bob De Carolis was athletic director for the 2002-2014 football seasons. We played in bowl games in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 and 2013. That's nine bowl in 13 seasons. We won bowl games in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013, a 6-3 record on his watch. BDC was the AD when the east grandstand was built. He was the AD when the south end zone grandstand was built. He was the AD when the scoreboard/video board was added; at the time it was the largest in the Pac-12. He was the AD when the player's lounge and other parts of the Valley Center was refurbished. He was the AD when nearly all of the $42 million for the Victory Through Valley project was raised. Can we please repeat that disaster over the next 13 seasons? PS: I guess I missed all the love for Langsdorf and Banker. I remember most fans being pretty fed up with both of them by 2012 or 2013; people certainly had their fill of Banker by 2014.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 13, 2018 22:45:20 GMT -8
BDC was a disaster for the football program. Bob De Carolis was athletic director for the 2002-2014 football seasons. We played in bowl games in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 and 2013. That's nine bowl in 13 seasons. We won bowl games in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013, a 6-3 record on his watch. BDC was the AD when the east grandstand was built. He was the AD when the south end zone grandstand was built. He was the AD when the scoreboard/video board was added; at the time it was the largest in the Pac-12. He was the AD when the player's lounge and other parts of the Valley Center was refurbished. He was the AD when nearly all of the $42 million for the Victory Through Valley project was raised. Can we please repeat that disaster over the next 13 seasons? PS: I guess I missed all the love for Langsdorf and Banker. I remember most fans being pretty fed up with both of them by 2012 or 2013; people certainly had their fill of Banker by 2014. The hate for Banker was basically "fake news" from those who didn't really research how others did vs certain offenses. The dude wasn't a great recruiter, most old timers weren't including DE and many on his staff. However, OSU somehow ended up with a lot of quantity players on the D side who were coached pretty well. I'll take Banker over ANYONE OSU has had since, including the current DC (who could turn out ok, but is a babe info the woods right now). As usual with "squeaky wheels", and what I warned when MR left, "watch out what you wish for."
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2018 7:36:19 GMT -8
BDC was a disaster for the football program. Bob De Carolis was athletic director for the 2002-2014 football seasons. We played in bowl games in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 and 2013. That's nine bowl in 13 seasons. We won bowl games in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2013, a 6-3 record on his watch. BDC was the AD when the east grandstand was built. He was the AD when the south end zone grandstand was built. He was the AD when the scoreboard/video board was added; at the time it was the largest in the Pac-12. He was the AD when the player's lounge and other parts of the Valley Center was refurbished. He was the AD when nearly all of the $42 million for the Victory Through Valley project was raised. Can we please repeat that disaster over the next 13 seasons? PS: I guess I missed all the love for Langsdorf and Banker. I remember most fans being pretty fed up with both of them by 2012 or 2013; people certainly had their fill of Banker by 2014. Just to clarify, that was not my quote.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 14, 2018 9:55:55 GMT -8
Seriously? Some of you people are like a jilted ex-lover, sitting at a bar and crying into his beer. Write a country-western song. But, please, give it a rest. Same for all the "McMarion left us! Daddy was mean to chase him away!"
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2018 10:24:59 GMT -8
"Well, he was drunk the day ol' Gary got out of Salt Lake And he went up to Utah State in the rain But before he got to Logan in his pickup truck Stacey smacked him upside his pickled old brain.
And he'll hang around as long as you will let him He never minded losin' in the rain So go ahead and call him Ander-panties You never even called him by his name."
The perfect country & western song.
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Post by rafer on Dec 14, 2018 10:30:35 GMT -8
Seriously? Some of you people are like a jilted ex-lover, sitting at a bar and crying into his beer. Write a country-western song. But, please, give it a rest. Same for all the "McMarion left us! Daddy was mean to chase him away!" Gawd! Amen, please let this thing die, it's killing all of us!!! Move along, nothing to see......
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Post by gzr on Dec 14, 2018 18:25:21 GMT -8
"Well, he was drunk the day ol' Gary got out of Salt Lake And he went up to Utah State in the rain But before he got to Logan in his pickup truck Stacey smacked him upside his pickled old brain. And he'll hang around as long as you will let him He never minded losin' in the rain So go ahead and call him Ander-panties You never even called him by his name." The perfect country & western song. Well, I called up ole Henry and told him he had not written the perfect country westen song because he had not mentioned big boy pants, cheerleaders, bad assistants, trust the process and quit. So, he wrote back and said he had written a new verse and it went something like this: "Well, he was cooked the day he forgot to trust the process And his bad assistants couldn't recruit or coach a lick But before he could slip out of his big boy pants The cheerleaders quit falling for his shtick."
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