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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 16, 2015 16:03:18 GMT -8
Here's the thing - with all of the resources at Nebraska - should they be behind Oregon State and its small resources (as the whole Riley staff was happy to point out) in any sort of recruiting ranking?
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 16, 2015 16:18:05 GMT -8
Here's the thing - with all of the resources at Nebraska - should they be behind Oregon State and its small resources (as the whole Riley staff was happy to point out) in any sort of recruiting ranking? They aren't and I don't think an objective look at it would say otherwise unless your sole metric is class size. Nebraska has 14 recruits with average stars of 3.21 OSU has 19 with average stars of 2.84 Nebraska has a smaller class that averages a higher rank. Rivals has a ranking method that favors class size too much. it is what it is.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 16, 2015 16:23:47 GMT -8
[/quote] "Nebraska had won 9+ games what 4-5 years in a row? Hadn't lost 6 games prior to Nov 1st EVER in the history of their program. They were not a rebuilding project. They were a team stacked with talent. If NU hadn't hired Riley, they could very well be 10-1. Fact is, they hired Riley and Co. And the same problems we saw here for years NU fans saw this year and clearly pointed out in their loses. So yes, IMO Riley is the problem clear and simple. Also, as of today OSU's Rival's Recruiting ranking is 35th, Nebraska's is 46th!
[/quote] Both NU and OSU changed schemes and are running with players that aren't really meant for the schemes they are running. A downturn should be expected. There's a fair chance NU be as a second top 10 team 12 days from now and will be bowling... I wish we could say that here.
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Post by devildog on Nov 16, 2015 16:24:39 GMT -8
OSU - 35 NEB - 46 That is what it is.
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 16, 2015 16:42:36 GMT -8
honestly thought we would be 2nd to worst team in the conference and not the last place team with where Riley had taken us as far as players...I'll blame the last place status on Baldwin and horrible offensive production (worse than riley and langsdorf) admittedly the defense is below average as well which is too bad but not totally unexpected.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 16, 2015 19:02:30 GMT -8
OSU - 35NEB - 46 That is what it is. Based on Rivals methods.... Scout says Nebraska is #33 and Oregon State is #55. That is what it is. 247 sports has Nebraska at #30 and Oregon State at #46. That is what it is. Of the 3 major recruiting ranking sites that are not paid access for, 2 of them have Nebraska ahead... and fairly significantly for that manner. And two sites that more closely agree with rankings and one that is somewhat wildly different... That is what it is.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 17, 2015 5:44:08 GMT -8
OSU - 35NEB - 46 That is what it is. Based on Rivals methods.... Scout says Nebraska is #33 and Oregon State is #55. That is what it is. 247 sports has Nebraska at #30 and Oregon State at #46. That is what it is. Of the 3 major recruiting ranking sites that are not paid access for, 2 of them have Nebraska ahead... and fairly significantly for that manner. And two sites that more closely agree with rankings and one that is somewhat wildly different... That is what it is. Nobody uses Scout rankings...nobody.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 17, 2015 5:47:12 GMT -8
The great purge simply cant happen from an APR perspective... Yes it can.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 17, 2015 8:13:36 GMT -8
The great purge simply cant happen from an APR perspective... Yes it can. Correct. Transfers are controlled for. OSU is only dinged if these kids completely drop out. It is likely anybody asked to move on will get ample assistance to find a new school to transfer to.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 17, 2015 8:26:29 GMT -8
Based on Rivals methods.... Scout says Nebraska is #33 and Oregon State is #55. That is what it is. 247 sports has Nebraska at #30 and Oregon State at #46. That is what it is. Of the 3 major recruiting ranking sites that are not paid access for, 2 of them have Nebraska ahead... and fairly significantly for that manner. And two sites that more closely agree with rankings and one that is somewhat wildly different... That is what it is. Nobody uses Scout rankings...nobody. Stop. Rivals is the largest subscription recruiting site. Scout is a fairly close second, although after being sold by Fox it has lagged. 247 is the new kid on the block gaining ground. Both have their pros and cons. the ongoing con with Scout is the fact that at any given time they only rocked 15 or so analysts. that isn't that many considering the millions of high school players in the world. and Rivals is pretty well known to have an extensive and extreme SEC bias. SEC recruits get bumps and other recruits, particularly those going to mid-west schools are almost universally lower ranked. this is not a secret, and pretty well talked about in other places. In the end, these are all guess by over worked and underpaid people. But the point remains. there ARE three major publicly available sites to get information from. Rivals, Scout and 247. 2 of 3 have Nebraska ranked very similarly and ahead of Oregon State. Listen, I have two degrees from Oregon State, I was going to games when we were losing to the Montana's of the world. I have deep loyalty to my school. But I do not have orange color glasses. Our recruiting is not magically better with CGA... yet. in fact, it is exactly average and about exactly what Riley was doing. so far. Of course it all remains to be seen, but I stand by it... you have to be pulling some pretty strong mental gymnastics to think OSU is ahead of Nebraska right now.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 17, 2015 8:42:14 GMT -8
You gotta love recruiting sites... and those who spend hours pouring over them... Maybe just wait until February and see who actually signs to debate anything about recruits. Then... maybe see which players actually stick and contribute.
The Riley haters just have to invent some evidence he left our program in shambles and that GA/staff are the recruiting gurus... zero, zip, nada evidence of such at any stop. People quickly go back to Utah State and the rebuild there... he basically did exactly what Riley did. Build up a program with unheralded recruits, except in a much weaker conference.
It's amazing how people simply discount what MR did here because of the last 3-4 years, while thinking Andersen was the scoop of the century and basically blame the failing of this year on Riley, while laughing at the Nebraska situation when MR is using players not used to or fitting his system. Seems the thought process of those people, in a logically weird way, actually makes Mike the better coach...
... he was supposed to keep Nebraska relevant using players not fitting his style, but Andersen is given a pass because he does not have players to fit his... hmmmmmm
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 17, 2015 8:42:13 GMT -8
Nobody uses Scout rankings...nobody. Stop. Rivals is the largest subscription recruiting site. Scout is a fairly close second, although after being sold by Fox it has lagged. 247 is the new kid on the block gaining ground. Both have their pros and cons. the ongoing con with Scout is the fact that at any given time they only rocked 15 or so analysts. that isn't that many considering the millions of high school players in the world. and Rivals is pretty well known to have an extensive and extreme SEC bias. SEC recruits get bumps and other recruits, particularly those going to mid-west schools are almost universally lower ranked. this is not a secret, and pretty well talked about in other places. In the end, these are all guess by over worked and underpaid people. But the point remains. there ARE three major publicly available sites to get information from. Rivals, Scout and 247. 2 of 3 have Nebraska ranked very similarly and ahead of Oregon State. Listen, I have two degrees from Oregon State, I was going to games when we were losing to the Montana's of the world. I have deep loyalty to my school. But I do not have orange color glasses. Our recruiting is not magically better with CGA... yet. in fact, it is exactly average and about exactly what Riley was doing. so far. Of course it all remains to be seen, but I stand by it... you have to be pulling some pretty strong mental gymnastics to think OSU is ahead of Nebraska right now. You may not have "Orange Color Glasses" but you certainly have Riley Rose Colored Glasses if you think that is true!
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 17, 2015 8:47:12 GMT -8
You gotta love recruiting sites... and those who spend hours pouring over them... Maybe just wait until February and see who actually signs to debate anything about recruits. Then... maybe see which players actually stick and contribute. The Riley haters just have to invent some evidence he left our program in shambles and that GA/staff are the recruiting gurus... zero, zip, nada evidence of such at any stop. People quickly go back to Utah State and the rebuild there... he basically did exactly what Riley did. Build up a program with unheralded recruits, except in a much weaker conference. It's amazing how people simply discount what MR did here because of the last 3-4 years, while thinking Andersen was the scoop of the century and basically blame the failing of this year on Riley, while laughing at the Nebraska situation when he using players not designed for his system. Seems their thought process in a logically weird way actually makes Mike the better coach... ... he was supposed to keep Nebraska relevant using players not fitting his style, but Andersen is given a pass because he does not have players to fit his... hmmmmmm LOL, there is no need to invent a damn thing. There is plenty of evidence to back up that claim.
As Ted Miller pointed out a couple of weeks ago. Riley is running two programs into the ground at the same time.
Riley did some good things here, he also fell short in a lot of areas. If you'd like to have him back, great I respect your opinion. You can go cheer for Nebraska and good ol' Riley.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 17, 2015 9:06:23 GMT -8
The Ted Miller piece was a bit of hyperbole. Wisconsin papers are making the claim that Andersen was on the road to ruining their program, and it's lucky he left before he could do permanent damage, and then look at the hole OSU is in now. See? He's a terrible coach too! We've all got our opinions, and the truth is that probably none of us are right. The answer's always somewhere in the middle. Do I wish Riley was still our coach? Yes, but not because of the wins and losses. We weren't up to snuff in that area the past few years. However, I enjoyed having open practices, players and coaches almost always available to the media, the clarity on injury situations, the style of offense we ran, and a host of other things. Yes, I understand that's not how "bigtime" programs do things, and that we were unique in a lot of those regards. That's part of what I liked. This new product is so foreign to me, it's like I'm not even watching the same university. Even the fact that we've been wearing white jerseys at home makes me feel like it's a different school I'm watching. If the transition is tough for me as a fan, I can't imagine what it's like on the players, particularly the seniors. Will things get better on the field? Probably. Will I feel the connection to the program that I felt when Riley was the coach? Probably not.
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 17, 2015 9:11:04 GMT -8
The Ted Miller piece was a bit of hyperbole. Wisconsin papers are making the claim that Andersen was on the road to ruining their program, and it's lucky he left before he could do permanent damage, and then look at the hole OSU is in now. See? He's a terrible coach too! We've all got our opinions, and the truth is that probably none of us are right. The answer's always somewhere in the middle. Do I wish Riley was still our coach? Yes, but not because of the wins and losses. We weren't up to snuff in that area the past few years. However, I enjoyed having open practices, players and coaches almost always available to the media, the clarity on injury situations, the style of offense we ran, and a host of other things. Yes, I understand that's not how "bigtime" programs do things, and that we were unique in a lot of those regards. That's part of what I liked. This new product is so foreign to me, it's like I'm not even watching the same university. Even the fact that we've been wearing white jerseys at home makes me feel like it's a different school I'm watching. If the transition is tough for me as a fan, I can't imagine what it's like on the players, particularly the seniors. Will things get better on the field? Probably. Will I feel the connection to the program that I felt when Riley was the coach? Probably not. I am sorry...?
Regarding the Wisconsin paper (not papers as in multiple) if you bothered to read the comments many fans were mocking the author stating now just months ago he was praising UW for the hire and what a great coach GA was. Sounds like the guy writes things to get attention. Also, he never said GA was a bad coach in the article. He simply stated that he wasn't a good fit for UW. Which I think GA would agree with and why he left.
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