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Post by irimi on Jul 31, 2018 15:20:31 GMT -8
No, it isn't. Worst case scenario would be pulling the plug on a game already on the books because you're afraid we won't compete or that we are too weak. Walking into Ohio Stadium with our heads held high and playing the best that we can has a tremendous amount of value. Learning HOW to lose with dignity and grace is far more important than running away from a big opponent or even winning all the time. Our Beavs have nothing to be ashamed of. Don't shame them because in your mind they don't stand up to the likes of the Buckeyes. If we haven't learned how to lose with dignity and grace yet I don't know what one more demolition is going to do. You don't really believe that, do you? Last year, we had a coach who ran away from the team, just as you'd like to run away from Ohio State. Quitters, both of you. Disgraces to Beaver Nation. We didn't lose games last year; we quit. We quit playing hard. We quit believing. We quit on teamwork. We quit, period.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 31, 2018 17:48:05 GMT -8
If we haven't learned how to lose with dignity and grace yet I don't know what one more demolition is going to do. You don't really believe that, do you? Last year, we had a coach who ran away from the team, just as you'd like to run away from Ohio State. Quitters, both of you. Disgraces to Beaver Nation. We didn't lose games last year; we quit. We quit playing hard. We quit believing. We quit on teamwork. We quit, period. That is about as bad of analogy as I've seen on this board... wow! GAG quitting a D1 HC coaching gig mid-season is equivalent on ANY level as a fan in favoring of dropping a game vs a national power in the current state of the program? Both are "Disgraces to Beaver Nation"
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Post by irimi on Jul 31, 2018 21:03:13 GMT -8
You don't really believe that, do you? Last year, we had a coach who ran away from the team, just as you'd like to run away from Ohio State. Quitters, both of you. Disgraces to Beaver Nation. We didn't lose games last year; we quit. We quit playing hard. We quit believing. We quit on teamwork. We quit, period. That is about as bad of analogy as I've seen on this board... wow! GAG quitting a D1 HC coaching gig mid-season is equivalent on ANY level as a fan in favoring of dropping a game vs a national power in the current state of the program? Both are "Disgraces to Beaver Nation" Yeah? So I stretched it a bit for effect. Something, naturally, you, of course, would know nothing about, right?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 31, 2018 22:00:56 GMT -8
Yeah? So I stretched it a bit for effect. Something, naturally, you, of course, would know nothing about, right? Just a little over dramatic for opinions on changing a game vs the "GAG effect". 😉
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 1, 2018 8:24:26 GMT -8
Who knows what's gonna happen now at tOSU. Urban's in deep doo-doo for denying an assistant was beating up his wife when he clearly knew what was going on. He might not even be coaching by then.
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Post by irimi on Aug 1, 2018 8:49:42 GMT -8
Holy crap! Live big, die big! See ya, Meyer!
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 1, 2018 8:58:26 GMT -8
Didn't seem to have any major effects on Mac at CU! And, tOSU is a much larger "machine" that loves them some winning at ALL costs. Almost every (I'm thinking without looking only Cooper and Fickell) one of their modern coaches have been entrenched in some form of controversy/scandal.
Be interesting if the big wigs of Me Too etc jump in and how this gets covered up/washed away.
Could be the "formal public apology" and the dreaded one game suspension without pay by tOSU... then let's move on...
As friends from Utah said way back, he won but was the swarmiest of guys who seemed to always keep a clean public rep.
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Post by needmorebeav on Aug 1, 2018 9:15:56 GMT -8
FWIW I talked with Terry Baker at the Kickoff classic golf tourney about the game at Ohio State. I asked him if he would rather play at Ohio State or play a home game against a lower division school. He said absolutely he would rather play at Ohio State and then told me about the 1960 game where they opened up and beat USC in LA as one of the great days of his life and they were big underdogs going in. He also included that was the last time we beat USC there . I've played in the 3 kickoff classics and the atmosphere at this one was much better than the previous staff. I know we probably won't be very good this year but I feel a lot better about the direction the program is going and the excitement of ex players that were there and the fans for better days.
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Post by obf on Aug 1, 2018 9:21:40 GMT -8
Lots of he said, she said, third hand "Yeah I think he knows" innuendo going on. And some strikingly brash victim blaming: However, I can't imagine any of it will really touch "Urb", he admits to knowing some of the allegations going back to 2009. But, I am not really seeing what law or rule he broke, and he has so much social credibility in Ohio that he wont ever be fired just because of social pressure... Not to mention the huge buyout and likely lawsuit that would follow... Regardless, one can only hope this leaves the whole team and coaching staff distracted and primed for a great Beaver upset!
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Post by Benevolent Dictator on Aug 1, 2018 9:29:23 GMT -8
Lots of he said, she said, third hand "Yeah I think he knows" innuendo going on. And some strikingly brash victim blaming: However, I can't imagine any of it will really touch "Urb", he admits to knowing some of the allegations going back to 2009. But, I am not really seeing what law or rule he broke, and he has so much social credibility in Ohio that he wont ever be fired just because of social pressure... Not to mention the huge buyout and likely lawsuit that would follow... Regardless, one can only hope this leaves the whole team and coaching staff distracted and primed for a great Beaver upset! If fired for cause, there is no buyout. He knew one of his employees was abusing their spouse, but did nothing. Sounds a lot like the Penn St. and Joe Pa scenario to me.
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Post by obf on Aug 1, 2018 9:37:13 GMT -8
Lots of he said, she said, third hand "Yeah I think he knows" innuendo going on. And some strikingly brash victim blaming: However, I can't imagine any of it will really touch "Urb", he admits to knowing some of the allegations going back to 2009. But, I am not really seeing what law or rule he broke, and he has so much social credibility in Ohio that he wont ever be fired just because of social pressure... Not to mention the huge buyout and likely lawsuit that would follow... Regardless, one can only hope this leaves the whole team and coaching staff distracted and primed for a great Beaver upset! If fired for cause, there is no buyout. He knew one of his employees was abusing their spouse, but did nothing. Sounds a lot like the Penn St. and Joe Pa scenario to me. It would be a pretty hard "for cause" to prove, if you ask me, even if everything alleged is true. A third hand text from a friend of the spouse is pretty meger "proof", are texts even admissible in a court of law? How does one go about proving a text hasn't been spoofed or altered? It doesn't really matter, all of that would all get lost as minutia anyways, Urban is already setting up the, "yes I knew, and I was trying to help and was actively counseling the couple, but I didn't know the extent" defense. This story has the potential to actually ENHANCE Urbans public persona, as a caring, loving, father like figure that refuses to give up on people and gives second chances while still trying to stand up for the victim/spouse. If you doubt that that is how the vast majority of tOSU fans and administrators will see it, all you have to do is go back and read some of the incredibly varying, and violently differing opinions of even hardcore OSU baseball fans with our own little "What did the coach know, when" fiasco...
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Post by seastape on Aug 1, 2018 9:47:26 GMT -8
Lots of he said, she said, third hand "Yeah I think he knows" innuendo going on. And some strikingly brash victim blaming: However, I can't imagine any of it will really touch "Urb", he admits to knowing some of the allegations going back to 2009. But, I am not really seeing what law or rule he broke, and he has so much social credibility in Ohio that he wont ever be fired just because of social pressure... Not to mention the huge buyout and likely lawsuit that would follow... Regardless, one can only hope this leaves the whole team and coaching staff distracted and primed for a great Beaver upset! If fired for cause, there is no buyout. He knew one of his employees was abusing their spouse, but did nothing. Sounds a lot like the Penn St. and Joe Pa scenario to me. I'm not with you on the Paterno comparison. A guy battering his wife over a period of years is awful and hopefully the man faces prosecution. It's an ugly crime and not by any stretch of the imagination to I want to minimalize it. But a man molesting multiple children (dozens, if I recall) on the Penn St campus itself over a period of years? That is a whole nother realm of evil.
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Post by Benevolent Dictator on Aug 1, 2018 10:18:10 GMT -8
If fired for cause, there is no buyout. He knew one of his employees was abusing their spouse, but did nothing. Sounds a lot like the Penn St. and Joe Pa scenario to me. I'm not with you on the Paterno comparison. A guy battering his wife over a period of years is awful and hopefully the man faces prosecution. It's an ugly crime and not by any stretch of the imagination to I want to minimalize it. But a man molesting multiple children (dozens, if I recall) on the Penn St campus itself over a period of years? That is a whole nother realm of evil. You can try to rationalize the severity of the crimes all you want, and I agree that the Penn State case is worse. But that's not the point I made. The point is that the HC allegedly knew of crimes being committed by one of his staff and he failed to report. This is the parallel, the failure to report violent abuse.
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Post by seastape on Aug 1, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -8
I'm not with you on the Paterno comparison. A guy battering his wife over a period of years is awful and hopefully the man faces prosecution. It's an ugly crime and not by any stretch of the imagination to I want to minimalize it. But a man molesting multiple children (dozens, if I recall) on the Penn St campus itself over a period of years? That is a whole nother realm of evil. You can try to rationalize the severity of the crimes all you want, and I agree that the Penn State case is worse. But that's not the point I made. The point is that the HC allegedly knew of crimes being committed by one of his staff and he failed to report. This is the parallel, the failure to report violent abuse. I understood the point you were making. But the severity of the failure to report reflects the severity of the original crime. Very few people would care if a head coach failed to report an assistant that got in trouble for something like petty theft.
Yes, Meyer's failure to report felony level domestic violence by an assistant coach is worth a severe sanction by Ohio State, possibly even termination. But the magnitude of the failure to report simply does not approach what Paterno and a large chunk of the Penn State administration covered up.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 1, 2018 13:06:57 GMT -8
You can try to rationalize the severity of the crimes all you want, and I agree that the Penn State case is worse. But that's not the point I made. The point is that the HC allegedly knew of crimes being committed by one of his staff and he failed to report. This is the parallel, the failure to report violent abuse. I understood the point you were making. But the severity of the failure to report reflects the severity of the original crime. Very few people would care if a head coach failed to report an assistant that got in trouble for something like petty theft.
Yes, Meyer's failure to report felony level domestic violence by an assistant coach is worth a severe sanction by Ohio State, possibly even termination. But the magnitude of the failure to report simply does not approach what Paterno and a large chunk of the Penn State administration covered up.
As a University official in Ohio the coach doesn't get to determine the level of severity. He is a mandatory reporter (and not just for child abuse) much as in Oregon and Washington, reporting to your superiors/boss is not good enough. However, the hypocrisy of such reporter laws is inescapable. I was told of the 1000's of cases where reports should have been filed, or filed incorrectly by law there has never been ONE conviction under that statute in Oregon! I this case as I understand from further readings, not only did UM not report, the coach was kept on staff for a period of time. He's a sleaze bag and a liar and go join Saban and others in the win at all costs HOF.
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