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Post by Mike84 on Aug 12, 2020 16:04:19 GMT -8
I know a family with a cherry orchard that needs help with the harvest. Do you think that would be responsible? Ie will the environment be controlled better than a football program with testing and the proper protocols put in place? If not sorry, we are going to have to shut down that orchard. I don't know if the Pac-12 or Big Ten have made the right choice but I am honestly baffled by your continued references to the players being safer in the "controlled environment" of a football program. From the aftermath of a meeting some of the players had with Larry Scott to discuss, among other things, the idea of a controlled environment: While the player group asked for daily testing and a consistent conference-wide testing policy, Scott informed them that neither was possible, according to the players' letter, which said, "You [Scott] claimed necessary tests were 'unavailable' and that it would be 'impossible' to mandate testing and best practice COVID precautions conference wide."In this "controlled environment" (which doesn't sound as if it would be very controlled) the players and coaches would not only be exposed to all of their teammates and staff on a daily basis, they would be exposed to the players and staff from other teams on a weekly basis. They will be exposed during travel. If there was daily testing (which there apparently couldn't be) it would only detect after the fact that one or more players had been exposed at some point in their practice, travel, and games. MLB has been trying to make a go of this "controlled environment", with a much better financed and supported approach that "emphasizes contact tracing and rapid testing". Even with that, there have been at least 29 games missed by at least 11 different teams due to Covid-19 exposure. Of course MLB plays a lot more games than NCAA Football so they miss a lot of games just by being off for a week, but that also means that MLB can still call it a "season" if several games are missed. I don't think that will work in college football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 16:04:27 GMT -8
Do you think that would be responsible? Ie will the environment be controlled better than a football program with testing and the proper protocols put in place? If not sorry, we are going to have to shut down that orchard. “Proper protocols?” What in the world could they be? We know that the virus is airborne, which is why we are expected to wear masks. But will the players? Only if they are not playing. Since it is airborne, keeping distance is important. Will the players? Can’t play football that way. Not gonna happen. Since it is airborne and exerting yourself makes you breathe harder, we should avoid this around others. Can the players? Nope. Part of the game. What they can do: Wash their hands. (During the game? Maybe they can provide lots of hand sanitizer.) Monitor illness. (Sure. But by then it’s too late. The player has already spread it. Or the kid’s desire to play is stronger than his desire to report a symptom.) Test frequently. (Yeah, but if your star player tests positive but is asymptomatic are you really gonna leave him out of the game?) You’ve got a crap ton of equipment to maintain and sterilize. You’ve got this whole show moving from one city to another. And you’ve got kids who think they are invincible and will probably break the rules. And these are guys. Not the cleanest people in the world. Have you ever been to one of their house parties. If they all test negative where are they in a safer environment. One where maybe few if any have been tested. Those kids feel invincible wherever they are. And anyone who tests positive would not play.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 12, 2020 16:05:53 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 12, 2020 16:08:27 GMT -8
Just like wearing a mask; it's not a sign of weakness, it's an IQ test. I wear one my grandma knitted for me.
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Post by sagebrush on Aug 12, 2020 16:13:27 GMT -8
My Duck neighbor made us orange masks to wear. She is an alum and played softball for them.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:14:03 GMT -8
How can a football player be safer in a less controlled community than in a football program that is constantly testing and controlling social distancing , face masks social interaction etc.? There’s a lot in your post, so I’ll just respond to this part. In a true bubble scenario, you’d be absolutely right, which is why the NBA hasn’t had any problems (at least so far). The biggest problems I see would be with all the travel to coronavirus hotspots, and also potential interaction with student bodies coming back (at least for some schools not doing 100% online learning). This is a worse situation than what all the players are doing now, so people saying “we haven’t had any positive tests!” or whatnot right now doesn’t mean diddly squat. California, where four of the conference schools are located, currently leads the nation in coronavirus cases and is going through a major outbreak. Sure, any of these players could easily get sick on their own time (and some probably will), but the difference is that in that scenario universities wouldn’t be liable or responsible for what happens in any way. And if you look at the criteria the Pac-12 doctors laid out, the safety protocols needed to avoid such potential liability would’ve been extremely difficult to reach. (Link here: xs.pac-12.com/2020-08/Pac-12%20Covid-19%20Return%20to%20Play%20Considerations%2008.10.2020.pdf)And let’s be honest: a major factor in the Pac-12’s cancellation was the conference not wanting to pay players or meet the other players’ demands. The two issues are definitely linked. If players were paid and there was a union, there would have been a stronger case for players either opting in and willingly assuming the potential COVID risks, or opting out, and the season could’ve moved forward as planned. Still think we would’ve ran into trouble with the current prevalence of the virus in the Pac-12, and not doing true bubbles, but at least it would have been more reasonable to contemplate.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 12, 2020 16:16:05 GMT -8
My Duck neighbor made us orange masks to wear. She is an alum and played softball for them. My Sis in-law played for them too! For years I begged her to come up from Eugene once a week to help our Bad News Bearsish Co-Ed softball team. She wisely declined.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:17:49 GMT -8
So, encouraging someone to move is your response to the complete mismanagement of the greatest public health crisis in this century? Nice. That "love it or leave it" approach really resonated during the Vietnam era, with those who had the courage to protest against ignorance in power during an immoral war that killed less than 1/3 of the Americans the Trumpandemic has claimed so far. No, I'll stay safe, cast my vote, and hope things will start getting much better come November. I’m sure Joe will solve all of the country’s problems because you know it’s 100 percent trumps fault. In fact I bet you will hear that directly from the media outlets within say a month that the pandemic is already subsiding or more than likely you won’t hear a word about it other than how quickly it was eliminated. In fact , if an effective vaccine is developed by say November 4th, we will all be thanking Joe for making it happen within one day of the election. You know don’t let the Trump hatred cloud your vision of reality. I don’t care for either of the candidates but maybe you should assign just a tiny bit of blame to the communist Chinese party , some of our quote”scientists “, and some of this country’s governors who made it clear the fed had no say in how they handle this situation. No, Biden isn’t going to automatically be able to solve it, but at least he acknowledges the virus is real and won’t recommend that people inject themselves with bleach. That’s a start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 16:20:44 GMT -8
Do you think that would be responsible? Ie will the environment be controlled better than a football program with testing and the proper protocols put in place? If not sorry, we are going to have to shut down that orchard. I don't know if the Pac-12 or Big Ten have made the right choice but I am honestly baffled by your continued references to the players being safer in the "controlled environment" of a football program. From the aftermath of a meeting some of the players had with Larry Scott to discuss, among other things, the idea of a controlled environment: While the player group asked for daily testing and a consistent conference-wide testing policy, Scott informed them that neither was possible, according to the players' letter, which said, "You [Scott] claimed necessary tests were 'unavailable' and that it would be 'impossible' to mandate testing and best practice COVID precautions conference wide."In this "controlled environment" (which doesn't sound as if it would be very controlled) the players and coaches would not only be exposed to all of their teammates and staff on a daily basis, they would be exposed to the players and staff from other teams on a weekly basis. They will be exposed during travel. If there was daily testing (which there apparently couldn't be) it would only detect after the fact that one or more players had been exposed at some point in their practice, travel, and games. MLB has been trying to make a go of this "controlled environment", with a much better financed and supported approach that "emphasizes contact tracing and rapid testing". Even with that, there have been at least 29 games missed by at least 11 different teams due to Covid-19 exposure. Of course MLB plays a lot more games than NCAA Football so they miss a lot of games just by being off for a week, but that also means that MLB can still call it a "season" if several games are missed. I don't think that will work in college football. We may never know. My question to you is do you think these kids are more likely to contract Covid in a college football program and spread it or unmonitored or unsupervised outside of the program. It’s more about money than safety in terms of the decisions that we’re made to postpone the season in my opinion. It’s a financial decision that was forced on the conference and teams by other issues disguised as a safety concern in my opinion ( liabilities, threats to opt out and get paid, media pressure Etc).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 16:23:19 GMT -8
I’m sure Joe will solve all of the country’s problems because you know it’s 100 percent trumps fault. In fact I bet you will hear that directly from the media outlets within say a month that the pandemic is already subsiding or more than likely you won’t hear a word about it other than how quickly it was eliminated. In fact , if an effective vaccine is developed by say November 4th, we will all be thanking Joe for making it happen within one day of the election. You know don’t let the Trump hatred cloud your vision of reality. I don’t care for either of the candidates but maybe you should assign just a tiny bit of blame to the communist Chinese party , some of our quote”scientists “, and some of this country’s governors who made it clear the fed had no say in how they handle this situation. No, Biden isn’t going to automatically be able to solve it, but at least he acknowledges the virus is real and won’t recommend that people inject themselves with bleach. That’s a start. Trump doesn’t acknowledge the virus is real? I know he was wrong on the bleach it didn’t do a damm thing to prevent me from getting it.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:23:34 GMT -8
Do you think that would be responsible? Ie will the environment be controlled better than a football program with testing and the proper protocols put in place? If not sorry, we are going to have to shut down that orchard. I don't know if the Pac-12 or Big Ten have made the right choice but I am honestly baffled by your continued references to the players being safer in the "controlled environment" of a football program. From the aftermath of a meeting some of the players had with Larry Scott to discuss, among other things, the idea of a controlled environment: While the player group asked for daily testing and a consistent conference-wide testing policy, Scott informed them that neither was possible, according to the players' letter, which said, "You [Scott] claimed necessary tests were 'unavailable' and that it would be 'impossible' to mandate testing and best practice COVID precautions conference wide."In this "controlled environment" (which doesn't sound as if it would be very controlled) the players and coaches would not only be exposed to all of their teammates and staff on a daily basis, they would be exposed to the players and staff from other teams on a weekly basis. They will be exposed during travel. If there was daily testing (which there apparently couldn't be) it would only detect after the fact that one or more players had been exposed at some point in their practice, travel, and games. MLB has been trying to make a go of this "controlled environment", with a much better financed and supported approach that "emphasizes contact tracing and rapid testing". Even with that, there have been at least 29 games missed by at least 11 different teams due to Covid-19 exposure. Of course MLB plays a lot more games than NCAA Football so they miss a lot of games just by being off for a week, but that also means that MLB can still call it a "season" if several games are missed. I don't think that will work in college football. Well said. The testing aspect alone is currently garbage in this country. Test results often don’t come back for a week or two, so they’re basically useless. By then, a college football team has played one or two more games and infected who knows how many more people. Honestly, it was going to be way too heavy of lift to try to make it happen and address the players’ concerns. Which is why you’ve already seen a ton of the small schools bow out (since there’s no way they can afford it), and why even the Big 12, ACC, and SEC will likely eventually join the Big Ten and Pac-12 on the sidelines.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Aug 12, 2020 16:37:24 GMT -8
Interesting facts Average age of person dying from Covid: 78
Average lifespan for person in USA: 78
Percentage of overall Covid deaths for college students: 0.2%
There’s more deaths from kids partying in college and living life than the friggin Covid.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:38:16 GMT -8
I don't know if the Pac-12 or Big Ten have made the right choice but I am honestly baffled by your continued references to the players being safer in the "controlled environment" of a football program. From the aftermath of a meeting some of the players had with Larry Scott to discuss, among other things, the idea of a controlled environment: While the player group asked for daily testing and a consistent conference-wide testing policy, Scott informed them that neither was possible, according to the players' letter, which said, "You [Scott] claimed necessary tests were 'unavailable' and that it would be 'impossible' to mandate testing and best practice COVID precautions conference wide."In this "controlled environment" (which doesn't sound as if it would be very controlled) the players and coaches would not only be exposed to all of their teammates and staff on a daily basis, they would be exposed to the players and staff from other teams on a weekly basis. They will be exposed during travel. If there was daily testing (which there apparently couldn't be) it would only detect after the fact that one or more players had been exposed at some point in their practice, travel, and games. MLB has been trying to make a go of this "controlled environment", with a much better financed and supported approach that "emphasizes contact tracing and rapid testing". Even with that, there have been at least 29 games missed by at least 11 different teams due to Covid-19 exposure. Of course MLB plays a lot more games than NCAA Football so they miss a lot of games just by being off for a week, but that also means that MLB can still call it a "season" if several games are missed. I don't think that will work in college football. We may never know. My question to you is do you think these kids are more likely to contract Covid in a college football program and spread it or unmonitored or unsupervised outside of the program. It’s more about money than safety in terms of the decisions that we’re made to postpone the season in my opinion. It’s a financial decision that was forced on the conference and teams by other issues disguised as a safety concern in my opinion ( liabilities, threats to opt out and get paid, media pressure Etc). It’s ALWAYS about the money. And conference schools stand to lose a LOT by cancelling the season, since football accounts for the majority of athletic department budgets. But presidents in the end decided the potential liability plus potential labor issues with the players was too much to overcome. And there is the risk that if the season was truncated due to a team-wide outbreak, they wouldn’t have made as much money by playing anyways. Any stadium revenue this year was going to be pretty much out the window already. While I’m very disappointed in this decision as a college football fan, I’m not surprised in the least given current COVID realities. Alternatively, if the SEC does indeed decide to go forward and it predictably turns into a cluster, they’ll have major egg on their faces and literal hell to pay. As much as I hate what this has come to, I’m glad the Pac-12 decided to do what they did. They made the right call under the circumstances.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -8
No, Biden isn’t going to automatically be able to solve it, but at least he acknowledges the virus is real and won’t recommend that people inject themselves with bleach. That’s a start. Trump doesn’t acknowledge the virus is real? I know he was wrong on the bleach it didn’t do a damm thing to prevent me from getting it. Lol on the bleach. I like to think that as Beaver fans we’re smart enough not to do that. But there was an increase in calls to poison control centers around Eugene-Springfield about it, I hear. On Trump, I’m not going to regurgitate all his statements about the virus here on this board, but use Google. He’s been minimizing it since Day One.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Aug 12, 2020 16:42:50 GMT -8
Interesting facts Average age of person dying from Covid: 78 Average lifespan for person in USA: 78 Percentage of overall Covid deaths for college students: 0.2% There’s more deaths from kids partying in college and living life than the friggin Covid. And?
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