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Post by 93beav on Apr 10, 2024 20:31:36 GMT -8
Looks like DM was looking to point a finger at something to justify entering the transfer portal. I will believe the collective over a player. DM isn't irreplaceable. DM acts like the collective should have bought him everything(house, car, etc.). Too much Me, Me, Me, and not of enough of We, We, We. And, like all the other NIL BS... never promised $400k... never got close to $100k... I'm guessing most of what he got was the car lease. House, another... what, better car? Who knows the whole story, but DM comes off as a perfect transfer candidate. See ya! And... he'll be the very first player I'll actual follow to see what becomes of him. My guess is that I'll be shaking my head in "I told ya so" mode. As soon as they allowed 3rd party agents into the NIL crap it was over. As stated earlier... by lots of us in differing ways... a few benefit the rest taken advantage of. I really think agents ARE the crux of the issue here. Many of the things I hear from athletes sound like their egos stroked at 100mph by some agent. Reminds me a lot of the days when Scott Boras controlled a lot of baseball. Some of these kids want to play grown up, but they've been coddled and pampered since they were young because they had some athletic ability. Certainly not all of them, but some of them. So when things get out of control and someone is constantly whispering in their ear "You're too good for this. We can get you so much bling! These people aren't worth your time", eventually they cave. If college sports isn't already into a death spiral, the moment some player refuses to go to spring ball or whatever other season entry sport because they want to renegotiate with the collective, it will be the end of everything. My personal hope is that the SEC and B1G go play their paid league and everyone else finally realizes it ain't worth it and goes back towards amateur status. Personal pipe dream more likely.
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Post by nsh03 on Apr 10, 2024 21:20:38 GMT -8
This is more of an emotional blow then a competitive one to Beaver Nation. RBs are a dime a dozen, the most replaceable position in football if not sports. You see it all the time, the number 1 RB goes down and the number 2 back comes in with little to no drop off. There are exceptions to this, but Martinez is not one of them. I think this hits the nail on the head, and Exhibit A is the 2022 Civil War. Martinez was not on the field when our run game took over. RB2, RB3, and RB4 combined for 18 carries for 149 yards and 3 TDs with Martinez sidelined. RB4 scored the final two TDs by our RBs, including the game winner. Martinez was having a solid game before he got hurt, but we didn't miss a beat when he went down.
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Post by ee1990 on Apr 10, 2024 22:29:39 GMT -8
And, like all the other NIL BS... never promised $400k... never got close to $100k... I'm guessing most of what he got was the car lease. House, another... what, better car? Who knows the whole story, but DM comes off as a perfect transfer candidate. See ya! And... he'll be the very first player I'll actual follow to see what becomes of him. My guess is that I'll be shaking my head in "I told ya so" mode. As soon as they allowed 3rd party agents into the NIL crap it was over. As stated earlier... by lots of us in differing ways... a few benefit the rest taken advantage of. I really think agents ARE the crux of the issue here. Many of the things I hear from athletes sound like their egos stroked at 100mph by some agent. Reminds me a lot of the days when Scott Boras controlled a lot of baseball. Some of these kids want to play grown up, but they've been coddled and pampered since they were young because they had some athletic ability. Certainly not all of them, but some of them. So when things get out of control and someone is constantly whispering in their ear "You're too good for this. We can get you so much bling! These people aren't worth your time", eventually they cave. If college sports isn't already into a death spiral, the moment some player refuses to go to spring ball or whatever other season entry sport because they want to renegotiate with the collective, it will be the end of everything. My personal hope is that the SEC and B1G go play their paid league and everyone else finally realizes it ain't worth it and goes back towards amateur status. Personal pipe dream more likely. So the players aren't getting more money by having a handler? They cave because they ARE getting more bling. The agents wouldn't exist if it were otherwise.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 10, 2024 22:35:23 GMT -8
The collective says they made a quarterly payment last month, first of 4 for the next year? Who knows unless they release the info. If it was "less than 100k" but still substantial, and they are required to withhold any taxes, it could make sense that they were on track to get him the promised 400k. Even if it wasn't 400k promised, should a kid be expecting to get it all up front? Buying a house on NIL money? Is that a good idea? In Corvallis a small house can get you into a pretty hefty long term monthly PITI payment. I forsee a bunch of kids could get themselves into credit or tax debt due to poor money handling of NIL proceeds of their own doing. Gawd I hope this whole thing didn't erupt just because somebody couldn't do math or understand how taxes and withholding works. But you might be right. A quarterly payment of $100k could easily be reduced to $70k after federal and state tax withholdings. If there's butthurt because $70k isn't $400k....ugh, that's some serious lack of brainpower, right there... Maybe that's not it, but it does make you wonder.... I think it's more a matter of he had somebody tell him, or he thought that, the collective said they gave him 400k, a house and a car to stay. All I recall when the news came out is that he turned down 400k to stay. They are two different things.
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 11, 2024 3:41:59 GMT -8
Looks like DM was looking to point a finger at something to justify entering the transfer portal. I will believe the collective over a player. DM isn't irreplaceable. DM acts like the collective should have bought him everything(house, car, etc.). Too much Me, Me, Me, and not of enough of We, We, We. And, like all the other NIL BS... never promised $400k... never got close to $100k... I'm guessing most of what he got was the car lease. House, another... what, better car? Who knows the whole story, but DM comes off as a perfect transfer candidate. See ya! And... he'll be the very first player I'll actual follow to see what becomes of him. My guess is that I'll be shaking my head in "I told ya so" mode. As soon as they allowed 3rd party agents into the NIL crap it was over. As stated earlier... by lots of us in differing ways... a few benefit the rest taken advantage of.This is the part to me that is the saddest. It's amazing how just 'the stars' will benefit... and that's what pro leagues are for. If the NFL and NBA would let high school kids take their chances at the pro level it could bring some normalcy back to college sports; maybe. However, that would be to risky to allow youngsters to learn through trial and error; life's greatest teacher.
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Post by 93beav on Apr 11, 2024 6:34:53 GMT -8
I really think agents ARE the crux of the issue here. Many of the things I hear from athletes sound like their egos stroked at 100mph by some agent. Reminds me a lot of the days when Scott Boras controlled a lot of baseball. Some of these kids want to play grown up, but they've been coddled and pampered since they were young because they had some athletic ability. Certainly not all of them, but some of them. So when things get out of control and someone is constantly whispering in their ear "You're too good for this. We can get you so much bling! These people aren't worth your time", eventually they cave. If college sports isn't already into a death spiral, the moment some player refuses to go to spring ball or whatever other season entry sport because they want to renegotiate with the collective, it will be the end of everything. My personal hope is that the SEC and B1G go play their paid league and everyone else finally realizes it ain't worth it and goes back towards amateur status. Personal pipe dream more likely. So the players aren't getting more money by having a handler? They cave because they ARE getting more bling. The agents wouldn't exist if it were otherwise. Is money everything? Is playing time, the right system, the right coach, the ability to make it at the next level - are any of those of any value? The agents want to get the most money because THEY get the most money. But it also doesn't mean their insight is in the best interests of their clients for the long-term. Suppose our O-line is down this year. So maybe Martinez doesn't put up as good of numbers. Well, now he's not in as much demand, so why should he stay here? The deck is stacked against us, and the agents only fortify that fact. But I would bet dollars to donuts that many agents are really only about the amount of money they can squeeze out of an institution. And before you go saying "That's their job!" - that's kind of the point is that we've reached that level where agents are going to start controlling things more than anyone.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 11, 2024 7:31:17 GMT -8
I wish NIL stood for name, image, and likeness. Unfortunately it stands for "pay for play."
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Post by bvrbred on Apr 11, 2024 7:46:46 GMT -8
Is money everything? Is playing time, the right system, the right coach, the ability to make it at the next level - are any of those of any value? The agents want to get the most money because THEY get the most money. But it also doesn't mean their insight is in the best interests of their clients for the long-term. Suppose our O-line is down this year. So maybe Martinez doesn't put up as good of numbers. Well, now he's not in as much demand, so why should he stay here? The deck is stacked against us, and the agents only fortify that fact. But I would bet dollars to donuts that many agents are really only about the amount of money they can squeeze out of an institution. And before you go saying "That's their job!" - that's kind of the point is that we've reached that level where agents are going to start controlling things more than anyone. Are these "agents" legal fiduciaries? If so, they can get in trouble for placing their own interest above that of the client athlete. If one of these situations goes egregiously south (after having been hyped ridiculously by an agent looking for his own payda) the agent could be sued by the athlete. I'd be licking my chops watching that.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Apr 11, 2024 10:06:29 GMT -8
So true it had to be said twice! Lol, sorry about that This would be funnier if you posted the "Lol, sorry about that" part twice.
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Post by NativeBeav on Apr 11, 2024 10:38:42 GMT -8
So the players aren't getting more money by having a handler? They cave because they ARE getting more bling. The agents wouldn't exist if it were otherwise. Is money everything? Is playing time, the right system, the right coach, the ability to make it at the next level - are any of those of any value? The agents want to get the most money because THEY get the most money. But it also doesn't mean their insight is in the best interests of their clients for the long-term. Suppose our O-line is down this year. So maybe Martinez doesn't put up as good of numbers. Well, now he's not in as much demand, so why should he stay here? The deck is stacked against us, and the agents only fortify that fact. But I would bet dollars to donuts that many agents are really only about the amount of money they can squeeze out of an institution. And before you go saying "That's their job!" - that's kind of the point is that we've reached that level where agents are going to start controlling things more than anyone. Agents = Attorneys. Shame sh*t, different piles. Sorry Wilky!
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 11:26:26 GMT -8
So Taliese Fuaga is going to be taken in the top half of the first round of the NFL draft and Martinez is convinced that he hasn't gotten enough exposure at Oregon State?
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 11, 2024 11:51:56 GMT -8
So Taliese Fuaga is going to be taken in the top half of the first round of the NFL draft and Martinez is convinced that he hasn't gotten enough exposure at Oregon State? I think that argument is he won’t get enough attention playing in the MWC, for Oregon St.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 11, 2024 11:52:28 GMT -8
So Taliese Fuaga is going to be taken in the top half of the first round of the NFL draft and Martinez is convinced that he hasn't gotten enough exposure at Oregon State? I would think the only possibly legit advice could be that he needs to prove he can carry the rock 25-35 times a game on average to impress the pros more than he already has. He's averaged 14-15 carries a game over his career here, just 16 last year. Depending on how much the OC wants to run and how he wants to share the carries between backs, that potentially doesn't change significantly. I've no clue if the number of carries affect draft status these days. Seems to me there was more of a "primary/featured back" mentality in the college game in the past than nowadays.
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 11, 2024 12:00:28 GMT -8
And just think martinez would be playing for Texas state languishing behind a not very good line if our coaching staff hadn't seen something they liked and made an offer. He would be a nothing. Yes, he owes this university a huge thank you. Now get the F out of here.
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Post by grayman on Apr 11, 2024 12:06:13 GMT -8
So Taliese Fuaga is going to be taken in the top half of the first round of the NFL draft and Martinez is convinced that he hasn't gotten enough exposure at Oregon State? I think that arguement is he won’t get enough attention playing in the MWC, for Oregon St. That has zero effect on how the NFL sees him. And the NFL teams are very aware of him already. So Fuaga's tape was scrutinized to the nth degree by NFL personnel and they completely missed Martinez? There's zero chance NFL teams don't already have plenty of tape of Martinez alone. Again, he was all Pac-12 last year and was on the watch list of several big awards. I know for a fact that fans of teams outside of the Pac-12 know about him because I've seen him mentioned in comment sections and message boards on several occasions.
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