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Post by bigorangebeaver on Apr 25, 2024 13:07:31 GMT -8
The thing I have always liked about Oregon State is that it is not Oregon.
I'm sorry, but my best experiences in sports have always been with teams that just went out and did their best, no matter what. No flash, no worries about whether we had the resources, no preening, "Look at how effin' awesome I am," etc., etc.
We did not always win. But I think we did something even more important than that--We competed hard and represented exactly who we were. There is a lot of satisfaction in that.
Oregon ain't that. Oregon State is.
I wonder if Orem has kids. If so, would he advise them to not be who they are? To imitate someone else because they might be more "successful?" And, most importantly, would he advise them to do a 180 and adopt a new stance that not only subverts who you are, but adopts an approach that is verifiably toxic?
Of course not--He would tell them to be who they really are.
Well, who we really are ain't Oregon. Bill doesn't seem to get it.
JMO. Carry on.
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Post by bvrbred on Apr 25, 2024 13:51:10 GMT -8
Has it been necessary for ever single program to buy into intense self promotion and commercialization to survive? Kansas State? Utah? Purdue? Iowa State? I could go on and on. We were victimized by a perfect storm of adverse circumstances that left the entire West Coast of this country without a league of major teams. How many people saw that coming 5 years ago? 2 years ago? It all happened virtually overnight last summer.
If Oram's suggestions were coming from someone who ever had anything positive to say about our program I might pay attention. But I think Oram sees us as Mountain West anyway and that we deserve our fate. Canzano I see somewhat differently. I think any suggestions or ideas he offers are well intentioned.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 25, 2024 15:29:45 GMT -8
O-ram can kiss my hairy ass.
Didn’t click, didn’t read.
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Post by ftd on Apr 25, 2024 15:44:50 GMT -8
Oram should be more like Kerry Eggers (or George Pasero if you are old enough to know that name)
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 25, 2024 16:18:25 GMT -8
Oram should be more like Kerry Eggers (or George Pasero if you are old enough to know that name) But... then he'd be a quality journalist and not be Bill!
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Post by seastape on Apr 25, 2024 16:52:50 GMT -8
O-ram can kiss my hairy ass. Didn’t click, didn’t read. The title is more than enough.
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Post by ee1990 on Apr 30, 2024 20:27:57 GMT -8
The thing I have always liked about Oregon State is that it is not Oregon. So we shouldn't try to improve? Just keep toting those lunch pails!
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Apr 30, 2024 20:50:28 GMT -8
If eating decent food, drinking a beer and watching an actual scrimmage with your family or buddies is not enough entertainment for you then you are a donkey.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 1, 2024 6:40:00 GMT -8
The thing I have always liked about Oregon State is that it is not Oregon. So we shouldn't try to improve? Just keep toting those lunch pails! No one said we shouldn't try to improve. The issue was how we go about improving, by emulating our entitled rivals down the road or by continuing to forge our own path. But you already know that. And "forging our own path" had nothing to do with why we were left out of the recent realignment. That would have happened even if our athletes were plastered with advertisements like NASCAR drivers and even if we had put posters on the side of sidescrapers in every single city in the country.
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Post by rgeorge on May 1, 2024 9:33:07 GMT -8
There are multiple articles you can research and as of now nothing is a done deal, not does anyone actually know the complete ramifications: sports.yahoo.com/what-would-house-v-ncaa-settlement-mean-a-revenue-sharing-model-to-end-college-amateurism-124301018.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallBUT... I'm not sure OSU in it's current "state" or even if invited to a P4 conference can sustain being part of the P4 with what might be coming down the pike. Some here might not like hearing it, but OSU is far closer to a G5/FCS financial situation than being in a P4 conference when it comes to allocating huge portions of AD revenue to university payouts to athletes. This article not only lays out what may happen but all the unanswered issues that will be the basis for continued litigation. Besides not being able to afford this now, I'm not sure OSU can with a $60 mil media deal and still be competitive as this system does not eliminate outside NIL money. No matter how one may look at it, it is pay to play. It is pay to induce signing. It is a professional sports model. This maybe the perfect time for schools like OSU, who are not obligated to have this university NIL fund, to forge a new and more student/athlete centered approach. Band together and create a separate collegiate entity, postseason events, and media deal(s) as a unit. The TV inventory will be needed. The number of players will still be there as there are a limited number of schools that can sustain a "professional" model year after year. And, those schools have limited roster space. Will the level of play diminish? Sure, I guess, but maybe not as evident when competing with universities on a level "playing field". It has been my hope for some time that these vast changes in the landscape of college athletics could actually be a harbinger of a positive movement back to true college athletics. It will take a leadership of bold schools to forge a new/'old" path and not try to figure out how they can keep up with the ultra rich programs and constantly get leftovers based on the demands of those schools. Accept the "new world" of college athletics while at the same time creating a parallel, yet different path. There is a way both can exist if there is the leadership, vision. and fortitude to move forward.
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Post by NativeBeav on May 1, 2024 10:08:50 GMT -8
There are multiple articles you can research and as of now nothing is a done deal, not does anyone actually know the complete ramifications: sports.yahoo.com/what-would-house-v-ncaa-settlement-mean-a-revenue-sharing-model-to-end-college-amateurism-124301018.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallBUT... I'm not sure OSU in it's current "state" or even if invited to a P4 conference can sustain being part of the P4 with what might be coming down the pike. Some here might not like hearing it, but OSU is far closer to a G5/FCS financial situation than being in a P4 conference when it comes to allocating huge portions of AD revenue to university payouts to athletes. This article not only lays out what may happen but all the unanswered issues that will be the basis for continued litigation. Besides not being able to afford this now, I'm not sure OSU can with a $60 mil media deal and still be competitive as this system does not eliminate outside NIL money. No matter how one may look at it, it is pay to play. It is pay to induce signing. It is a professional sports model. This maybe the perfect time for schools like OSU, who are not obligated to have this university NIL fund, to forge a new and more student/athlete centered approach. Band together and create a separate collegiate entity, postseason events, and media deal(s) as a unit. The TV inventory will be needed. The number of players will still be there as there are a limited number of schools that can sustain a "professional" model year after year. And, those schools have limited roster space. Will the level of play diminish? Sure, I guess, but maybe not as evident when competing with universities on a level "playing field". It has been my hope for some time that these vast changes in the landscape of college athletics could actually be a harbinger of a positive movement back to true college athletics. It will take a leadership of bold schools to forge a new/'old" path and not try to figure out how they can keep up with the ultra rich programs and constantly get leftovers based on the demands of those schools. Accept the "new world" of college athletics while at the same time creating a parallel, yet different path. There is a way both can exist if there is the leadership, vision. and fortitude to move forward. I like your take on this. My son recently commented, as a football player in HS himself, the drop-off between Div1 and Div2 talent isn't nearly as steep as it once was. I remember all too well during the Saint Riley years when Sac State and E Washington beat us at home. Not even going to comment on the next guy, and his losses. Point? E Washington and Sac State were populated with guys the premier schools either overlooked, or weren't quite good enough, in their eyes, to make the roster. And, as a result, they were playing with a chip on their shoulder. Remember the Rodgers brothers? UT said after they were here, and before portal and NIL, that they were pissed at themselves for overlooking the talent in their own backyard, because of their size. And now, with the portal and NIL, if that were available during the Rodgers years, would they have stayed?
I am agreeing with you, even if we are invited to a P4 conference, and we get a great TV contract - will we be able to keep up with the NIL money and endowments of the big name brand schools? Our problem is not only location, but how late to the party we are, regarding being relevant in football. We spent way too many years in the basement of the Pac12, while the premier schools were playing for national championships. How can we compete with endowments that are topping a billion dollars, and where football is a religion? Right or wrong, those schools put way more emphasis on the three big money sports.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 1, 2024 10:13:16 GMT -8
There are multiple articles you can research and as of now nothing is a done deal, not does anyone actually know the complete ramifications: sports.yahoo.com/what-would-house-v-ncaa-settlement-mean-a-revenue-sharing-model-to-end-college-amateurism-124301018.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallBUT... I'm not sure OSU in it's current "state" or even if invited to a P4 conference can sustain being part of the P4 with what might be coming down the pike. Some here might not like hearing it, but OSU is far closer to a G5/FCS financial situation than being in a P4 conference when it comes to allocating huge portions of AD revenue to university payouts to athletes. This article not only lays out what may happen but all the unanswered issues that will be the basis for continued litigation. Besides not being able to afford this now, I'm not sure OSU can with a $60 mil media deal and still be competitive as this system does not eliminate outside NIL money. No matter how one may look at it, it is pay to play. It is pay to induce signing. It is a professional sports model. This maybe the perfect time for schools like OSU, who are not obligated to have this university NIL fund, to forge a new and more student/athlete centered approach. Band together and create a separate collegiate entity, postseason events, and media deal(s) as a unit. The TV inventory will be needed. The number of players will still be there as there are a limited number of schools that can sustain a "professional" model year after year. And, those schools have limited roster space. Will the level of play diminish? Sure, I guess, but maybe not as evident when competing with universities on a level "playing field". It has been my hope for some time that these vast changes in the landscape of college athletics could actually be a harbinger of a positive movement back to true college athletics. It will take a leadership of bold schools to forge a new/'old" path and not try to figure out how they can keep up with the ultra rich programs and constantly get leftovers based on the demands of those schools. Accept the "new world" of college athletics while at the same time creating a parallel, yet different path. There is a way both can exist if there is the leadership, vision. and fortitude to move forward. I like your take on this. My son recently commented, as a football player in HS himself, the drop-off between Div1 and Div2 talent isn't nearly as steep as it once was. I remember all too well during the Saint Riley years when Sac State and E Washington beat us at home. Not even going to comment on the next guy, and his losses. Point? E Washington and Sac State were populated with guys the premier schools either overlooked, or weren't quite good enough, in their eyes, to make the roster. And, as a result, they were playing with a chip on their shoulder. Remember the Rodgers brothers? UT said after they were here, and before portal and NIL, that they were pissed at themselves for overlooking the talent in their own backyard, because of their size. And now, with the portal and NIL, if that were available during the Rodgers years, would they have stayed?
I am agreeing with you, even if we are invited to a P4 conference, and we get a great TV contract - will we be able to keep up with the NIL money and endowments of the big name brand schools? Our problem is not only location, but how late to the party we are, regarding being relevant in football. We spent way too many years in the basement of the Pac12, while the premier schools were playing for national championships. How can we compete with endowments that are topping a billion dollars, and where football is a religion? Right or wrong, those schools put way more emphasis on the three big money sports.
E. Washington and Sac St. are FCS, not D2. There is a huge difference between DI and D2. I think what he's getting at, and I agree with him, is that we need to work on forming a division between the current FBS and the FCS for the teams that don't have unlimited funds to compete at the top. We could have are own 2nd tier playoff, but still play above the FCS teams.
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Post by NativeBeav on May 1, 2024 10:32:47 GMT -8
I like your take on this. My son recently commented, as a football player in HS himself, the drop-off between Div1 and Div2 talent isn't nearly as steep as it once was. I remember all too well during the Saint Riley years when Sac State and E Washington beat us at home. Not even going to comment on the next guy, and his losses. Point? E Washington and Sac State were populated with guys the premier schools either overlooked, or weren't quite good enough, in their eyes, to make the roster. And, as a result, they were playing with a chip on their shoulder. Remember the Rodgers brothers? UT said after they were here, and before portal and NIL, that they were pissed at themselves for overlooking the talent in their own backyard, because of their size. And now, with the portal and NIL, if that were available during the Rodgers years, would they have stayed?
I am agreeing with you, even if we are invited to a P4 conference, and we get a great TV contract - will we be able to keep up with the NIL money and endowments of the big name brand schools? Our problem is not only location, but how late to the party we are, regarding being relevant in football. We spent way too many years in the basement of the Pac12, while the premier schools were playing for national championships. How can we compete with endowments that are topping a billion dollars, and where football is a religion? Right or wrong, those schools put way more emphasis on the three big money sports.
E. Washington and Sac St. are FCS, not D2. There is a huge difference between DI and D2.
I think what he's getting at, and I agree with him, is that we need to work on forming a division between the current FBS and the FCS for the teams that don't have unlimited funds to compete at the top. We could have are own 2nd tier playoff, but still play above the FCS teams. Yes - that is what I meant to say, thanks for the correction, dad .
As you have eluded to, it doesn't change the gist of what rgeorge and I am saying. Agreed on the 2nd tier playoff or facsimile thereof. I may be wrong, but I believe there would be tremendous support for a continued truly amateur, regional and traditional college football platform - as opposed to a semi pro league, masquerading as amateur. And, we would have the perpetual underdog moniker when playing any big name school in the playoffs. Most everyone roots for the underdog. Lastly, we won't ever have to wear anything like the ghastly outfits tosdtr wears!
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Post by bigorangebeaver on May 2, 2024 14:05:29 GMT -8
The thing I have always liked about Oregon State is that it is not Oregon. So we shouldn't try to improve? Just keep toting those lunch pails! Hmm. Not what I said at all. We should improve. The columnist suggested that we try to look more like Oregon. I reject that premise. Whatever path we end up taking should NOT look at all like Oregon. We have to be who we are. Clear enough for you? 🙄
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Post by ee1990 on May 2, 2024 20:18:59 GMT -8
So we shouldn't try to improve? Just keep toting those lunch pails! Hmm. Not what I said at all. We should improve. The columnist suggested that we try to look more like Oregon. I reject that premise. Whatever path we end up taking should NOT look at all like Oregon. We have to be who we are. Clear enough for you? 🙄 He said we should try doing similar things, and also mentioned other programs. Clear enough for you?
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