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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 11:27:31 GMT -8
Lateral move my ass. She's going from a WCC team to a Big Ten team. More pay, higher level of competition.
Oddly enough, this makes her more attractive down the line as a future OSU head coach, getting more coaching experience with other programs.
I saw Casey Bunn up at Linfield several weeks ago. She is in her 10th year there, I think.
All the more reason to make some OSU sports a "restaurant" type experience, as one poster said. Show up, go to the game, go home. Enjoy the experience, but don't linger afterward, hang out with the hired help and tell them how much you like them, which is essentially what you're doing if you participate in the 8-minute mumble.
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Post by sweetpea on Jun 6, 2024 11:33:43 GMT -8
With the loss of Pac12 income, how many OSU teams do you think are making cuts and tightening their belts. SR may have been forced to cut one coach.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 11:34:51 GMT -8
With the loss of Pac12 income, how many OSU teams do you think are making cuts and tightening their belts. SR may have been forced to cut one coach. We will have three assistants. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 6, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -8
Three assistants at what pay? Can guarantee it won't be the pay that the three assistants at pac12 level were making.
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Post by algernon14 on Jun 6, 2024 11:42:07 GMT -8
As expected, Brenda Frese says NIL and the Collectives aka: money are the drivers of college sports now and if Universities don't embrace this they will be left behind, but let's keep saying it's the WCC or Rueck's fault....to our own peril.
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Post by 1042 on Jun 6, 2024 13:15:44 GMT -8
Any thoughts on who replaces her? Time to bring Mic or Syd in….
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 6, 2024 13:42:15 GMT -8
What the departures of all of these WBB players and coaches is teaching me is how I view OSU and how these folks view OSU are quite different. I don't know that these players really associate with the school the way a "normal" student/alum/fan does. They have their own social circle consisting of their teammates, and life on the road means they are likely even in class and on campus less that the "normal" student. And now they will simply be paid employees, crafting the best NIL and revenue share deal in exchange for wearing the institution's jersey for a season. And revisit every season. SR was content at Linfield, probably content at OSU regardless of conference affiliation. Clearly most of his players were not, and some of his assistants as well. Aleah is very young in her career, and I don't begrudge her being ambitious and wanting to coach athletes at the highest level. I wish her well, but I don't wish the school she is going to well (the consequence of having had a "normal" OSU student experience, I don't like uw very much). It's going to take us a couple of years to find our "new normal" - there is still much uncertainty in the air until a new Pac-12 is formed or WCC/MWC conferences are embraced - and I am steeling myself for a couple of years of tumult and upheaval in the player and coaching ranks until we find that new normal. I just hope Aleah doesn't find some "diamond in the rough" to cherry pick from our team, new recruits or recruiting backlog to take to Duke, I mean, uw, with her....... Go Beavers! " SR was content at Linfield"? Do you mean George Fox? Sorry - yes, I was in error - SR was at George Fox, and not Linfield. But my point stands - SR is into player development and teaching, creating a tight-knit environment, etc. etc. He has arrived at a level of success where he can pursue what brings him joy and a paycheck and not look for greener pastures or the next rung of the ladder. Aleah has many rungs of the ladder ahead of her, fewer behind her (than SR, for sure). She clearly sees this move as advancing a rung or two on that proverbial coaching ladder - good for her. Bad for us, likely, however. I taught undergraduate CS at WOU, and taught every undergrad CS class at OSU and the graduate Software Engineering sequence. I found there was a huge difference in the capabilities, expectations, interactions, curriculum, potential of students etc. across those spaces. But I also got to a point in my career where just teaching brought joy, no matter the level. And today I "scratch that itch" in the corporate environment. I literally had a conversation in the graduate class along the lines of "look, if you don't know this or can't figure it out on your own, you really have no place in this class" - a conversation that would be completely out of place anywhere else in my teaching experience. I believe there will be similar differences between OSU WBB next year and uw - there are perceived tiers and WCC is not at the top - and I don't begrudge Aleah wanting to enjoy the most challenging levels, especially as a young up-and-comer. I suspect there will be pay differences, and what doors will be easier to walk through in years to come as a result of her decision. I wish her well, even though her choice is not in OSU's best interests. Go Beavers! |
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Post by finleybandbeav on Jun 6, 2024 14:36:22 GMT -8
So, the highest rolling WBB conference collapsed, and all of our high rollers (except SR) bolted for higher ground. It's that simple, really, false narratives on social media and elsewhere aside.
I get it. I don't like it as an OSU grad and fan, but I get it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 14:40:22 GMT -8
Three assistants at what pay? Can guarantee it won't be the pay that the three assistants at pac12 level were making. True, but that wasn't the point. The poster speculated we may have only two assistants. We will be fully-staffed, just like the men's team. And the people we hire will be thrilled to have a job. It's a very competitive business. |
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Post by grayman on Jun 6, 2024 19:13:52 GMT -8
As expected, Brenda Frese says NIL and the Collectives aka: money are the drivers of college sports now and if Universities don't embrace this they will be left behind, but let's keep saying it's the WCC or Rueck's fault....to our own peril. It's the WCC move. It's the most glaringly obvious answer. They are moving from the Pac-12 to the WCC. Sorry, but that's huge. That doesn't mean we're all overlooking the NIL issues facing OSU (and every other university) moving forward. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 19:20:59 GMT -8
As expected, Brenda Frese says NIL and the Collectives aka: money are the drivers of college sports now and if Universities don't embrace this they will be left behind, but let's keep saying it's the WCC or Rueck's fault....to our own peril. It's the WCC move. It's the most glaringly obvious answer. They are moving from the Pac-12 to the WCC. Sorry, but that's huge. That doesn't mean we're all overlooking the NIL issues facing OSU (and every other university) moving forward. Of course it's the move to the WCC. And the inability of six players to see that WCC or not, they were better off and would go much further next year as a whole by sticking together than they will be as individuals by all leaving and going to different places. TVO was gone either way, and Martha just wasn't good enough. They made their beds, they can lie in them, it's their life. Let's see which one of them gets to within nine points of a Final Four next season. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 6, 2024 23:42:06 GMT -8
Three assistants at what pay? Can guarantee it won't be the pay that the three assistants at pac12 level were making. I think we have prepared, because of the legal wins, to have a Power 5 level budget the next two years. After that, all bets are off. Here's hoping the B12, ACC, or B10 sees the value of being the premier Pacific / Mountain time zone athletic conference ( which would have to include Oregon State and Washington State). As a guess the B10 feels they have the upper hand. But they are vulnerable to a conference that includes OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, ASU, Ariz, Utah, SanDiegoState, and two or three more. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 7, 2024 7:24:44 GMT -8
As I stated; if she’s making significantly more money, I get it. It IS a lateral move task wise. No? Are you intentionally being obtuse? NO. This isn't considered a lateral move at all. In fact, most people are OK taking a step BACK task wise to take a step UP in competition level. There are no indications Goodman is doing that. The fact is that at this particular time the 4 Power Conferences left are a step up the ladder from the G(whatever the current # of conferences is)...which is currently OSU's plight. Not intentionally. I’m just f%#*ing stupid. Nod, nod….Wink, wink. (Monty Python). |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 7, 2024 7:49:02 GMT -8
It's the WCC move. It's the most glaringly obvious answer. They are moving from the Pac-12 to the WCC. Sorry, but that's huge. That doesn't mean we're all overlooking the NIL issues facing OSU (and every other university) moving forward. Of course it's the move to the WCC. And the inability of six players to see that WCC or not, they were better off and would go much further next year as a whole by sticking together than they will be as individuals by all leaving and going to different places. TVO was gone either way, and Martha just wasn't good enough. They made their beds, they can lie in them, it's their life. Let's see which one of them gets to within nine points of a Final Four next season. I agree with everything you say, but there is an underlying assumption in your position that what the players prioritized was tournament success with THIS team. From the outside looking in on where the players ended up, I think some players felt they might get more media exposure, NIL, move closer to family, PT, etc. and some of those issues might have been a higher priority for them. And the fact that not a one of them ended up on the same team as another tells me that team togetherness might have been less a consideration than we perceived it to be. I started to harvest the stats of the departed 8 with the thought of analyzing at the end of next season if they benefitted from the move, just to realize that analysis would present an incomplete picture: if all of them enriched their bank accounts but scored less is that good? If Lily could go home more often is that more valuable? If Rae's family could come to more games if that a win? If TvO picks up more followers on social media has she succeeded? I also realized that since none of them wear black and orange now I really don't care enough to analyze, only care enough to be saddened by pondering what could have been and will never be for OSU WBB. Go Beavers! |
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Post by grayman on Jun 7, 2024 10:16:48 GMT -8
I believe Beers is probably in the best situation to continue to thrive as a player (no big surprise). She will be the go-to star on an Oklahoma team that was very good last season.
Gardiner is in a good position to help UCLA to a great season but is just going to be one of the top players on the team, not THE star.
Same goes for TVO, even more so. She will be a good player on a very good team.
Hunter very well could be relied on less this coming season at TCU because the Horned Frogs have Hailey Van Lith coming in as well as several other proven guards on the roster.
Dom should have a similar role at Kentucky as she had at OSU, at least for this season. Kentucky brought in Georgia Amoore from Virginia Tech as well as her teammate Clara Strack, who stepped in for Elizabeth Kitley at center after Kitley blew out her knee.
Lily Hansford most likely will be pretty much the same at Iowa State.
I can see Adlee Blacklock thriving at Texas Tech if she gets the chance.
So IMO only Beers has an almost sure thing to match or exceed her play as a star at OSU. I can see one or two others potentially getting lost in the shuffle on deep teams. It's difficult to see anyone other than Beers stepping into a star role.
As far as one or more of these teams going deep into the tournament, I wouldn't doubt that. It wouldn't surprise me if you had more than one of the teams in the Elite Eight and I wouldn't bet against there being a Final Four team in the mix.
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