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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 26, 2024 13:36:47 GMT -8
He was a literal monster at Idaho. Put the team on his back. he had a monster 2022 season completing 68% of his passes for 2700 yards 27 TDs and 7 ints. 2023 wasn't quite as good, same general accuracy and yardage, but TDs took a big dive. Largely because it appears in Idaho they pulled the same think Smith did with DJU and Chiles. The back up came in for a few series every game and sniped about 8 TDs from McCoy that weren't there in 2022 when he basically never entered the game. He played in 8 of the games in 2023. Brave new world trying to keep everyone happy in the NIL era... So, the thing that would give me some concern is why bring in a backup if McCoy has the credentials from the previous year? Why would the backup even see a series? Either the staff felt McCoy wasn't 100%, or the backup had a higher upside, or the coaches were just idiots. Why did our back up even see a series when we had a 5* high school recruit QB transfer from Clemson with 2 years of eligibility? Many of us beaver fans debated this all season too. sure we say Chiles as the future and the value of the experience, we also saw how taking DJU out of the game was disruptive as well.
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Post by beav8807 on Aug 26, 2024 13:46:35 GMT -8
I only watched him once, but it was against a very good fcs team (Montana). I was VERY impressed. He almost singlehandedly won them the game. I know it’s at a lower level, but I think he mayjust be a gamer and a playmaker. Sometimes those guys don’t jump out in drills and practice, but from what I saw he can extend plays with his legs and find open receivers down the field. If he’s the 2nd or 3rd best qb in fcs as a frosh/soph, I would think he’s plenty good enough to play at this level. TBD…
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2024 13:49:36 GMT -8
The backup was Jack Layne, from Lake Oswego, who had eight touchdown passes in 25 completions. He was 25-32 for 325 yards on the season but Layne had almost all of it against, yep, Idaho State. He started the game and was 20-26 for 275 yards and six touchdowns. Other than that, Layne came in a couple times late in blowout wins. McCoy was 229-354 for 2910 yards with 15 touchdowns and 8 picks. He was the regular starter all season.
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2024 14:03:19 GMT -8
Bray: "It was real close all camp and just in the last week Gevani was on the uptick and kind of separated himself a little bit and so that's what led to the decision to go with him."
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 26, 2024 14:16:36 GMT -8
Beavers Edge made the point that he needed to transition from FCS, to FBS level. He definitely has the accolades from FCS level Not directed at you Flyfishin' but that's some pretty in-depth analysis from Beavers Edge. Guy at lower division needs to adapt to upper division. Oh? Right up there with we need to limit turnovers and control the line of scrimmage!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 26, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -8
Beavers Edge made the point that he needed to transition from FCS, to FBS level. He definitely has the accolades from FCS level Not directed at you Flyfishin' but that's some pretty in-depth analysis from Beavers Edge. Guy at lower division needs to adapt to upper division. Oh? Right up there with we need to limit turnovers and control the line of scrimmage! Yea, I hear ya. I only mentioned it because since he did look so bad in spring, and has been mostly forgotten on here, maybe it was that transition.....and now he's up to speed. I also realize that beating out Ben and Gabarri may not mean he's gonna light it up.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 26, 2024 14:55:00 GMT -8
"Lower" division may be an accurate way to label an overall group of teams to another group of teams, but it's never been an accurate way to measure any one individual inside either group.
Learning an entirely new language/playbook along with all new teammates, well I don't...didn't put much stock in spring game performances for those reasons.
I liked what I saw on the field from him last season, around teammates and a system he was familiar with. Excited to watch him grow and gain confidence with his current team and system.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 26, 2024 15:15:35 GMT -8
The backup was Jack Layne, from Lake Oswego, who had eight touchdown passes in 25 completions. He was 25-32 for 325 yards on the season but Layne had almost all of it against, yep, Idaho State. He started the game and was 20-26 for 275 yards and six touchdowns. Other than that, Layne came in a couple times late in blowout wins. McCoy was 229-354 for 2910 yards with 15 touchdowns and 8 picks. He was the regular starter all season. This is a really good point. but at the same time, could been 6 TDs McCoy had. at the end of the season, those TD counts. even the star QBs have those stat padding games. DJU had 5 of his 21TDs in one game. I am trying to look on the bright side of that performance drop in 2023, for the most part, the everything else was the same, passed for a few more yards, only slightly less accurate, only one more INT, they won more games. just way fewer passing TDs, and the only thing different is the back up got a lot more action and had 8 TDs, but 6 in one game. Big thing for me is he was a 68% and a 64% passer. Completing more than 2/3rds of your passes is nice. it was for a decent 8.2 average in 2023 but a more outstanding 9.2 in 2023 (that make him right at top 10 in D-1 in 2023) hope always springs eternal!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 26, 2024 15:16:22 GMT -8
He was a literal monster at Idaho. Put the team on his back. he had a monster 2022 season completing 68% of his passes for 2700 yards 27 TDs and 7 ints. 2023 wasn't quite as good, same general accuracy and yardage, but TDs took a big dive. Largely because it appears in Idaho they pulled the same think Smith did with DJU and Chiles. The back up came in for a few series every game and sniped about 8 TDs from McCoy that weren't there in 2022 when he basically never entered the game. He played in 8 of the games in 2023. Brave new world trying to keep everyone happy in the NIL era... So, the thing that would give me some concern is why bring in a backup if McCoy has the credentials from the previous year? Why would the backup even see a series? Either the staff felt McCoy wasn't 100%, or the backup had a higher upside, or the coaches were just idiots. ...Or they thought McCoy would likely be hitting the transfer portal to get to a more high profile school at the end of the season and wanted to give the next season's likely starter some game experience.
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 26, 2024 15:19:57 GMT -8
I'm very happy about this. Watched his team make the remarkable run last year in the FCS playoffs, and he was THE guy that took the Idaho program off the doormat. I actually felt really bad for Idaho when he left, as it reminded me of the cruel pecking order that is college football.
The feeling I got from McCoy was that he just seemed like a gamer. I'm hoping that him separating himself in crunch practice time is an indicator of more crunch-time game elevation.
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2024 15:23:46 GMT -8
The backup was Jack Layne, from Lake Oswego, who had eight touchdown passes in 25 completions. He was 25-32 for 325 yards on the season but Layne had almost all of it against, yep, Idaho State. He started the game and was 20-26 for 275 yards and six touchdowns. Other than that, Layne came in a couple times late in blowout wins. McCoy was 229-354 for 2910 yards with 15 touchdowns and 8 picks. He was the regular starter all season. This is a really good point. but at the same time, could been 6 TDs McCoy had. at the end of the season, those TD counts. even the star QBs have those stat padding games. DJU had 5 of his 21TDs in one game. I am trying to look on the bright side of that performance drop in 2023, for the most part, the everything else was the same, passed for a few more yards, only slightly less accurate, only one more INT, they won more games. just way fewer passing TDs, and the only thing different is the back up got a lot more action and had 8 TDs, but 6 in one game. Big thing for me is he was a 68% and a 64% passer. Completing more than 2/3rds of your passes is nice. it was for a decent 8.2 average in 2023 but a more outstanding 9.2 in 2023 (that make him right at top 10 in D-1 in 2023) hope always springs eternal! I don't think McCoy played in the game at all for whatever reason. I assume it was injury but IDK. Edit: He was out due to injury. So yeah, I think it's fair to assume he would have had somewhat similar stats against Idaho State.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 26, 2024 15:37:44 GMT -8
I haven't seen a single rep of the team this season, so I can't claim membership in House Ben or House Bones or House Johnson.... What I can say is that I am happy to see our coaches making a choice that wasn't the "paint by numbers" choice. It would have been so easy to name BenG the starter, for all sorts of defensible reasons. But as has been discussed here - we have kind of seen what Ben brings to the party (and it's good stuff, don't get me wrong). But the coaches hopefully saw something, or felt something, or see a higher ceiling, or went by gut......but they made a decision, and in a weird way I am happy it wasn't the easy one, because I have hope that the coaches are going to be decisive in ushering in the Bray era. And the coaches will be first to spot the intangibles, so I am cautiously optimistic. And it's a good game to see what you've got under center other than Ben without (hopefully) getting into a fight for our lives. Games Notes has Ben as second and Johnson 3rd - will be interesting to see if that is the order mop up duty goes in (assuming mop duty is called for). Go Beavers!
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Post by richard44 on Aug 26, 2024 16:39:48 GMT -8
I’m pretty shocked honestly, not sure what to really say other than that. I guess we will find out soon enough how good he is. Go Beavs!
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Post by irimi on Aug 26, 2024 17:58:31 GMT -8
“Captain” Ben is also surprised.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Aug 26, 2024 18:03:31 GMT -8
“Captain” Ben is also surprised. Was there an interview or quote of him saying this? Or just speculating that after being voted a captain and being the 5th year guy that he probably is considering the circumstances?
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