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Post by scottishsteel on Aug 28, 2024 1:44:49 GMT -8
Deathbed confession. A life of evil, then he sees the light. Ugh. I will always think it's BS. And it undermines the character. He was a fabulous evil character! Fictional redemption arcs are almost never good, especially in the standard two-hour movie time period. Condemnation and failed redemption arcs tend to be more entertaining. However: Vader was a great evil character. But I think that it is a great ending to both the three-episode and six-episode arcs. He only joined the dark side to foolishly try and save his wife. Luke spared his life, when Luke could have killed him and had every reason to. The Emperor had proven himself beyond evil. And his own flesh and blood needed him to survive. Plus, I do not know what really pushed Vader to keep going in his condition. You have little to lose to give your own son a chance at a great life. I don't care what kind of soulless monster you are. You have to do what you can to off the emperor in that situation. There were a lot worse things to focus on in the three-episode and, particularly, the six-episode arcs. (And even more to focus on in the mostly forgettable last three movies.) Oh c'mon Wilky - where's the spoiler alert warning; I haven't seen the movie yet . . .
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Post by gnawitall on Aug 28, 2024 3:44:51 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Aug 28, 2024 4:56:43 GMT -8
That is a nice article. I'm impressed that Eck does not have a lingering grudge against McCoy's transfer, for which I wouldn't blame him if he did.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 28, 2024 8:02:49 GMT -8
That is a nice article. I'm impressed that Eck does not have a lingering grudge against McCoy's transfer, for which I wouldn't blame him if he did. the time of constant transfers, coaches would be stupid to trash a player that left
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2024 8:24:09 GMT -8
I think my initial point stands......how is he considered a dual threat QB with those stats? 59 carries for 362 yards, 6.1 ypc. Two touchdowns. Those are not terrible numbers. That's a respectable avg for sure, but not much volume. It doesn't scream "designed run plays" at OSU. Gabarri is a dual threat QB. McCoy is maybe more just a QB who is athletic enough to escape trouble, and gain some yardage when needed.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2024 8:27:30 GMT -8
That is a nice article. I'm impressed that Eck does not have a lingering grudge against McCoy's transfer, for which I wouldn't blame him if he did. the time of constant transfers, coaches would be stupid to trash a player that left Yea, it's the game. If you are a smaller program, you expect guys who have success to "move up.".....we are a steo up from Idaho, just like we will lose players to P4 moving forward. Coaches will just need to embrace it, and keep developing talent to replace leaving talent.
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2024 17:00:46 GMT -8
Deathbed confession. A life of evil, then he sees the light. Ugh. I will always think it's BS. And it undermines the character. He was a fabulous evil character! Fictional redemption arcs are almost never good, especially in the standard two-hour movie time period. Condemnation and failed redemption arcs tend to be more entertaining. However: Vader was a great evil character. But I think that it is a great ending to both the three-episode and six-episode arcs. He only joined the dark side to foolishly try and save his wife. Luke spared his life, when Luke could have killed him and had every reason to. The Emperor had proven himself beyond evil. And his own flesh and blood needed him to survive. Plus, I do not know what really pushed Vader to keep going in his condition. You have little to lose to give your own son a chance at a great life. I don't care what kind of soulless monster you are. You have to do what you can to off the emperor in that situation. There were a lot worse things to focus on in the three-episode and, particularly, the six-episode arcs. (And even more to focus on in the mostly forgettable last three movies.) I disagree about his motivation to turn to the dark side. Lucas had something good going with A New Hope, but he ended up trivializing it all. I can tell that we are of different generations if you think Episodes 1-3 were even decent. Honestly, I can watch A New Hope over and over again, but none of the others, except maybe The Empire Strikes Back. But even that is ridiculous I hate movies that trivialize training and hard work. Luke was such a bitch, just like Anakin and the dude in the last episodes. Lucas is good at whiny male bitches.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 28, 2024 18:45:33 GMT -8
Fictional redemption arcs are almost never good, especially in the standard two-hour movie time period. Condemnation and failed redemption arcs tend to be more entertaining. However: Vader was a great evil character. But I think that it is a great ending to both the three-episode and six-episode arcs. He only joined the dark side to foolishly try and save his wife. Luke spared his life, when Luke could have killed him and had every reason to. The Emperor had proven himself beyond evil. And his own flesh and blood needed him to survive. Plus, I do not know what really pushed Vader to keep going in his condition. You have little to lose to give your own son a chance at a great life. I don't care what kind of soulless monster you are. You have to do what you can to off the emperor in that situation. There were a lot worse things to focus on in the three-episode and, particularly, the six-episode arcs. (And even more to focus on in the mostly forgettable last three movies.) I disagree about his motivation to turn to the dark side. Lucas had something good going with A New Hope, but he ended up trivializing it all. I can tell that we are of different generations if you think Episodes 1-3 were even decent. Honestly, I can watch A New Hope over and over again, but none of the others, except maybe The Empire Strikes Back. But even that is ridiculous I hate movies that trivialize training and hard work. Luke was such a bitch, just like Anakin and the dude in the last episodes. Lucas is good at whiny male bitches. There's a LARGE contingent of Star Wars fans who believe Empire is superior to A New Hope. I'm not one of them, but Empire is very much in the same league as the original. None of the others come close, and it's a pretty steep decline for all of the films after Empire. I can at least appreciate what Lucas was trying to do in I-III, even if I think the execution left a LOT to be desired. VII-IX were a jumbled meandering mess.
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2024 20:25:30 GMT -8
I disagree about his motivation to turn to the dark side. Lucas had something good going with A New Hope, but he ended up trivializing it all. I can tell that we are of different generations if you think Episodes 1-3 were even decent. Honestly, I can watch A New Hope over and over again, but none of the others, except maybe The Empire Strikes Back. But even that is ridiculous I hate movies that trivialize training and hard work. Luke was such a bitch, just like Anakin and the dude in the last episodes. Lucas is good at whiny male bitches. There's a LARGE contingent of Star Wars fans who believe Empire is superior to A New Hope. I'm not one of them, but Empire is very much in the same league as the original. None of the others come close, and it's a pretty steep decline for all of the films after Empire. I can at least appreciate what Lucas was trying to do in I-III, even if I think the execution left a LOT to be desired. VII-IX were a jumbled meandering mess. Yeah, I’ve heard their arguments, and in some ways, sure, Empire is great. As a martial artist, the idea of a kid, who has just started learning, can hold his own against a guy who has been training his whole life is laughable. Yeah, he lost a hand, but Vader should’ve cut him down quickly.
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Post by jimbeav on Aug 28, 2024 20:41:29 GMT -8
There's a LARGE contingent of Star Wars fans who believe Empire is superior to A New Hope. I'm not one of them, but Empire is very much in the same league as the original. None of the others come close, and it's a pretty steep decline for all of the films after Empire. I can at least appreciate what Lucas was trying to do in I-III, even if I think the execution left a LOT to be desired. VII-IX were a jumbled meandering mess. Yeah, I’ve heard their arguments, and in some ways, sure, Empire is great. As a martial artist, the idea of a kid, who has just started learning, can hold his own against a guy who has been training his whole life is laughable. Yeah, he lost a hand, but Vader should’ve cut him down quickly. There's an old lingering theory that Luke spent months and maybe even years training before he faced Vader. Remember that the Falcon was badly damaged, and couldn't jump to hyperspace for travel. So they had to travel 'normally', and getting to Bespin could have taken a loooong time. And Luke would have been doing intensive training every day for that whole duration. Add in the advantage of youth, and the result of that duel is within the realm of possibility. At least, from a certain point of view.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2024 5:50:03 GMT -8
I grew up on the original trilogy. The subsequent Star Wars material has been hit, or miss for me......but even the misses I enjoy, just not as much. I try not to overanalyze and just enjoy it for what it is
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 29, 2024 6:29:00 GMT -8
Fictional redemption arcs are almost never good, especially in the standard two-hour movie time period. Condemnation and failed redemption arcs tend to be more entertaining. However: Vader was a great evil character. But I think that it is a great ending to both the three-episode and six-episode arcs. He only joined the dark side to foolishly try and save his wife. Luke spared his life, when Luke could have killed him and had every reason to. The Emperor had proven himself beyond evil. And his own flesh and blood needed him to survive. Plus, I do not know what really pushed Vader to keep going in his condition. You have little to lose to give your own son a chance at a great life. I don't care what kind of soulless monster you are. You have to do what you can to off the emperor in that situation. There were a lot worse things to focus on in the three-episode and, particularly, the six-episode arcs. (And even more to focus on in the mostly forgettable last three movies.) Oh c'mon Wilky - where's the spoiler alert warning; I haven't seen the movie yet . . . Star Wars nerds
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 29, 2024 7:55:43 GMT -8
There's a LARGE contingent of Star Wars fans who believe Empire is superior to A New Hope. I'm not one of them, but Empire is very much in the same league as the original. None of the others come close, and it's a pretty steep decline for all of the films after Empire. I can at least appreciate what Lucas was trying to do in I-III, even if I think the execution left a LOT to be desired. VII-IX were a jumbled meandering mess. Yeah, I’ve heard their arguments, and in some ways, sure, Empire is great. As a martial artist, the idea of a kid, who has just started learning, can hold his own against a guy who has been training his whole life is laughable. Yeah, he lost a hand, but Vader should’ve cut him down quickly. The thing is - Vader wasn't trying to kill him. He was only trying to get him into the carbon freeze chamber to take to the Emperor. He beat the living crap out of the kid and then Luke "escaped" by jumping into a big void. I would hardly say that he "held his own". It was a pretty one sided fight.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2024 8:33:29 GMT -8
You can't hear a pict. . . . .
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2024 12:33:11 GMT -8
I disagree about his motivation to turn to the dark side. Lucas had something good going with A New Hope, but he ended up trivializing it all. I can tell that we are of different generations if you think Episodes 1-3 were even decent. Honestly, I can watch A New Hope over and over again, but none of the others, except maybe The Empire Strikes Back. But even that is ridiculous I hate movies that trivialize training and hard work. Luke was such a bitch, just like Anakin and the dude in the last episodes. Lucas is good at whiny male bitches. There's a LARGE contingent of Star Wars fans who believe Empire is superior to A New Hope. I'm not one of them, but Empire is very much in the same league as the original. None of the others come close, and it's a pretty steep decline for all of the films after Empire. I can at least appreciate what Lucas was trying to do in I-III, even if I think the execution left a LOT to be desired. VII-IX were a jumbled meandering mess. I am one of those weird 80's kids and life long Star Wars fans that actually likes Return of the Jedi the most. To be fair, mostly probably due to just the childhood nostalgia of that being the one I like the most as a kid. I can easily acknowledge and agree that the other are superior films and stories and whatnot as an adult. I can also see how people roll their eyes at the ewoks. but kid me in the 80's dug it. Which is exactly what Lucas was angling for. Jedi, being the last film had the most polish, had the more intense scenes, had the grandiose space battle and had the finale ultimate build up suspense. It had the payoff. As an 8 year old kid or whatever I was wearing out that VHS watching it on repeat, it was candy. So, yeah. Jedi has the soft spot, all this stuff is subjective, so I will still call it my favorite for those reasons.
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