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Post by steinlager on Nov 5, 2017 18:32:49 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. If I remember it correctly Sark left UW for USC. UW got Chris Peterson to replace Sark which was a huge upgrade. |
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 5, 2017 19:06:12 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. Now THAT would be interesting... 1111, just speculating, or did you hear some info? |
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 5, 2017 19:29:05 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. Now THAT would be interesting... 1111, just speculating, or did you hear some info? I have to admit, I have been a fan of JW for a while. I don’t care about where he played; he just has something about him. I’m impressed with the way that he got Cal turned in the right direction so quickly, and as a native Oregonian and a good motivator I feel like he would have a realistic perspective on how to get things right in Corvallis. I wouldn’t hate that most unlikely surprise. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 5, 2017 20:18:28 GMT -8
Absolutely zero evidence of that... pure speculation. Tedford is a PROVEN commodity... his last 3 years at Cal the school was in turmoil... academic entrance requirement for athlete infighting, budget fights over stadium remodel, and just the Berkeley folk being themselves. Tedford by ANY measure >>>>> Baldwin. And, that doesn't even take into consideration the quality of assistants that Tedford could draw vs Baldwin. Wilcox is a better bet to come back "home" if offered and only 50/50 he'd ask Baldwin to come with if his 1st choice would come to OSU. JW is not enamored with the area, cost of living, and huge budget restrictions/issues. And he is also >> Baldwin. At least Baldwin>Hall... but OSU can do better than either. Yes, maybe now. What about in a few years? Who's got the bigger upside? I think Tedford is known. There is never a guarantee of upside in coaching. If you look at turnover, more are deemed "failures" than successes. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 5, 2017 21:11:59 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. UCLA swiped Tommy Prothro from OSU in 1965 ASU swiped Bruce Snyder from Cal in 1992. USC swiped Sarkisian from UW in 2014. |
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 5, 2017 21:26:38 GMT -8
Tedford remains my #1 wish, but there is just something very unseemly about leaving a school after one year. The fact that Fresno State is Tedford's alma mater makes it very unlikely in my mind.
Same with Wilcox...leaving one conference school for another is bad enough, but to do it after just one year would be considered pretty despicable, I think...
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 5, 2017 23:04:01 GMT -8
Tedford remains my #1 wish, but there is just something very unseemly about leaving a school after one year. The fact that Fresno State is Tedford's alma mater makes it very unlikely in my mind. Same with Wilcox...leaving one conference school for another is bad enough, but to do it after just one year would be considered pretty despicable, I think... what does either school have coming back as far as their rosters? It's not like we have a promising outlook on either OL or DL for the foreseeable future and the present class looks like a bust in that department. I think it is real risky for your career to come to Corvallis IMHO if you already have a HC job and decent roster coming back. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 5, 2017 23:37:06 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. Now THAT would be interesting... 1111, just speculating, or did you hear some info? Info heard... three different, independent, unrelated sources all reiterated almost the exact story. Basically, Cal is not a long term stop for any HC/staff expecting institutional "support". Academic vs athletic strife on entrance profiles, huge budget issues exasperated by university system $ issues. Looks attractive until you are actually ingrained in the situation. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 5, 2017 23:42:56 GMT -8
Tedford remains my #1 wish, but there is just something very unseemly about leaving a school after one year. The fact that Fresno State is Tedford's alma mater makes it very unlikely in my mind. Same with Wilcox...leaving one conference school for another is bad enough, but to do it after just one year would be considered pretty despicable, I think... Its a business... and a family issue. If you see yourself in a dead end situation and another job appears do you just stay because it's only been a year? If your family is very unhappy and cost of living prohibitive do you just bite the bullet? (Side note... a take one for an ok remodel of 1914 home in ok?? neighborhood 12 blocks from Cal, 2000 sqft/no garage... $1,175,000) Contacts are actually designed to be broken. It's why there are buy out clauses. Likely? I'd say not. I'm not even sure if JW is a good get. But, did anyone think GA would leave this year? On his "own"? Midseason? Leave millions? Coaching is now a very weird business. |
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Post by azgreg on Nov 6, 2017 6:09:57 GMT -8
Interesting comment on Wilcox by baseba1111. I'm trying to think of times a team has essentially swiped a head coach from within it's own conference. UCLA swiped Tommy Prothro from OSU in 1965 ASU swiped Bruce Snyder from Cal in 1992. USC swiped Sarkisian from UW in 2014. Add Larry Smith to your list. USC swiped him from Arizona in 1987. |
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Post by rockybeav on Nov 6, 2017 8:16:59 GMT -8
Now THAT would be interesting... 1111, just speculating, or did you hear some info? Info heard... three different, independent, unrelated sources all reiterated almost the exact story. Basically, Cal is not a long term stop for any HC/staff expecting institutional "support". Academic vs athletic strife on entrance profiles, huge budget issues exasperated by university system $ issues. Looks attractive until you are actually ingrained in the situation. Thanks for the response, much appreciated. Looks like JW is making 1.9 mil at Cal. As you mentioned, the cost of living is through the roof down there. From a financial perspective at least, it seems plausible he would be willing to listen to other offers. 2 million in Corvallis goes a lot further than in the Bay Area... |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 6, 2017 10:06:12 GMT -8
I think this year he's the beneficiary of a super easy schedule and a good qb. I think he'd be solid at OSU, but for those clammoring for more success than we had with Coach Riley I think it will be pretty similar. Those clamoring for more success than Riley had will always be clamoring. We had one good year under Erickson, and that's it. The perfect storm in 2000 - a good not great team losing their head coach to the NFL, getting a recently fired NFL coach with recent national championship rings to bring in a king's ransom of juco guys......that's not going to happen very often. It'd be the equivalent of Tedford coming in, getting us to back to the 8-5 years, then getting hired by the Jaguars only to have a recently fired by the Cincinnati Bengals Dabo Swinney show up in Corvallis. Good luck with that scenario. Bowl games in 70% of seasons with still having a chance to go to the Pac-12 title game into November some of the time is all I ask. If Tedford (or anyone else) can get us that, sign them up now. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 10:16:17 GMT -8
I was never a "Tedford fan," but he's taken a team that was 1-11 last year, and has turned them into a bowl eligible team. Cal isn't the easiest of teams to recruit to (standards, and all), but nearly every year he was at the helm, they were in the conference conversation. I have NO IDEA if he would entertain coming to Corvallis after the CGA debacle, and I know he isn't a spring chicken, but.....the more I see, the more I SEE. Just my take. I don't get the Tedford hate. He is lifetime 88-60 as a college head coach, a hair under 60% winning percentage. 5-3 in bowl games. He averaged 8 wins a year at Cal. Cal isn't exactly a dynasty program ya know? Kind of like us. He is 56, that isn't old. He has a bare minimum of 10 quality years in him. you don't have one foot in the grave at 65 these days anymore. Jeez, did anybody see Pete Carroll sprinting down the sideline for a time out yesterday? He is 66. Dick LeBeau? still calling defenses at 80. and not too shabby of ones. He has put 8 quarterbacks in the NFL. He has had multiple first round pick Quarterbacks. If we need to solve an IMMEDIATE need on this team, it is at Quarterback. I know our defense is terrible, but I think most of what we need there is to not have a total moron running the show. there is some talent their, the coaching and fundamentals are just putrid. Of all the quality, proven head coaches out there that we have a realistic shot at getting. Tedford is easily at the top of the list. He is a good person, the closest thing to a question mark he has on him is some heart trouble a few years ago, which in itself wasn't a super huge deal. There is no baggage there, which isn't anything you can say about the Weasel or McElwain. Of any experienced quality coach we have a shot at getting, Tedford is probably hands down the best and safest pick. I'd pick him well over Baldwin. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 6, 2017 10:24:27 GMT -8
I think this year he's the beneficiary of a super easy schedule and a good qb. I think he'd be solid at OSU, but for those clammoring for more success than we had with Coach Riley I think it will be pretty similar. Those clamoring for more success than Riley had will always be clamoring. We had one good year under Erickson, and that's it. The perfect storm in 2000 - a good not great team losing their head coach to the NFL, getting a recently fired NFL coach with recent national championship rings to bring in a king's ransom of juco guys......that's not going to happen very often. It'd be the equivalent of Tedford coming in, getting us to back to the 8-5 years, then getting hired by the Jaguars only to have a recently fired by the Cincinnati Bengals Dabo Swinney show up in Corvallis. Good luck with that scenario. Bowl games in 70% of seasons with still having a chance to go to the Pac-12 title game into November some of the time is all I ask. If Tedford (or anyone else) can get us that, sign them up now. I am amazed at how many people didn't think we had it real good under Riley. We had a 12 year period where basically 3 teams made it to BCS bowls, the two that made it repeatedly were cheating, and people were griping he didn't produce BCS bowls. When will people learn that championship bowls aren't something that are handed out by taking turns. There's almost always going to be one or two dominant teams in the league that will have a very good shot of getting in a few years in a row. For the majority of Riley's tenure we were just outside of that, but at least we weren't down on the bottom end of the spectrum despite there being a good argument that there's a big case for expecting OSU to be routinely at the bottom... If university support/donor base/city size/stadium size and such are good indicators of a programs success level, we have returned to where we are expected to be. Hopefully the next coach will have the kind of success Riley had. |
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Post by dryfly on Nov 6, 2017 11:01:56 GMT -8
None of us know what will happen with the next coach and how they will do here, no matter who it is. Easy schedule or not, he has done it twice now! He has taken a team that previously won one game the year before and the next year (his first) put them in a bowl game. Anybody can skew anything to fit their point, but winning speaks for itself and Tedford is a proven winner! If you have watched their games, fundamentally, they are very good on both sides of the ball. Defensively, they are very well coached, fly around and execute well. Offensively, of course, they are putting up points and moving the ball consistently. McMaryion is getting the best coaching he has ever received at the QB position because Tedford is an elite QB coach and offensive mind. Here is what you will get with Tedford; Good/great QB play, an offense that will put points on the board and move the ball against multiple defenses, a familiarity with the PAC 12 teams, good recruiting (especially in California) and from what I have seen lately, a solid defense. I think Tedford, as all coaches do, has grown a little bit more to respect and make sure that the defensive side of the ball receives as much attention as the offensive side of the ball. When he was at Oregon as the OC under Belotti, they did not give the defense the same attention as the offense (especially in recruiting). When at Cal, he did this at times too. Let me ask, why are Norvell and Baldwin's ceilings higher or have more "upside" in your mind? Because they are younger? I'll be honest, if a guy like Bill Parcells (unrealistic example but helps prove my point) was available and wanted to coach here, I would take him over probably any coaches (let alone younger ones). Why? Well his record and pedigree speak for themselves but he would also bring in top notch assistants with experience and probably some other younger coaches to groom that could take over when he would possibly depart. In that case, there are no guarantees of how long any coach stays, young or older. This is establishing a program. So when it comes to having someone come in here and build up the program, I want someone who can do it sooner than later. I think Baldwin would struggle for a bit with recruiting a well rounded team (players in all phases) here for a few years. He might get some offensive skill talent but I doubt he'd be able to get any quality "trench" players (LOS) and defensive talent needed for PAC 12 competition for a few years at least! Part of that recruiting deficiency (IMO) would also be due to the fact that I'm not sure he could get the assistant coaches that have experience to surround him. I could be wrong but I just can't see him bringing in many if any, PAC 12 experienced coaches that would work under him (considering his lack of experience in the conference as a coach, let alone an HC). Again, I could be wrong but no more right or wrong than anyone else with their opinions, those are just my concerns with Baldwin. He obviously is a good offensive mind and has had success at FCS level as a HC. Norvell was another coach I have mentioned. I have watched Memphis a few times this season and he is pretty impressive. They do play against inferior talent, but again, the guy is winning games and they do play a good brand of football from what I have seen. He knows the PAC 12 but he does have some limited experience. Not only as an HC but even as a coordinator. Again, wouldn't dislike him being here but his inexperience might be a concern with gathering a strong group of experienced/good assistant coaches and coordinators. Also, recruiting. Would he be a well rounded recruiter? Or would he be an all in "offensive guy"? He has spent most f his coaching career on the offensive side of the ball. For the most part, no matter who is hired, I will support them as I did with GA for the first couple of seasons but then there needs to be results. I wont support Rick New-weasel or any Wing/Triple option offenses though! Another bit of food for thought about hiring a "young energetic" coach vs an experienced HC that is a proven winner. Imagine if when Riley left the first time, if DE was looked over because of age or what have you , for some younger guy? It's impossible to know, but I don't think Oregon State reaches the heights they did in Erickson's stretch (that's my opinion). He brought in; knowledge, he was a proven winner but he also brought in great assistant coaches! Go Beavs! |
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